Intel is already talking about shipping Sandy Bridge at the end of this year or so...
Any chance we get nothing until the next architecture?
Any chance we get nothing until the next architecture?
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New MP on May 18
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The Sandy Bridge chips going out first aren't the DP Xeons or enthusiast parts, those won't be coming until Q3 or Q4 of 2011.
I know a lot of people are tired of the current case. I still think it's a work of art. And I don't want to be a beta tester for a new case after waiting this long.
What....no new MP?
OK....so I'm feeling a little better having upgraded last Friday to my soon to be outdated MP. It screams compared to my PPC, and the project work is now considerably more enjoyable.
Now that I've spent 4 days reloading, reindexing, and getting every Plug In, Virtual Instrument and file over from the old system (well almost....c'mon FXpansion!!!)....I sit along with the rest of you and wonder why another Tuesday has come and gone....
Best to all,
DR
OK....so I'm feeling a little better having upgraded last Friday to my soon to be outdated MP. It screams compared to my PPC, and the project work is now considerably more enjoyable.
Now that I've spent 4 days reloading, reindexing, and getting every Plug In, Virtual Instrument and file over from the old system (well almost....c'mon FXpansion!!!)....I sit along with the rest of you and wonder why another Tuesday has come and gone....
Best to all,
DR
>Hackintosh
>not building it yourself
way to defeat the whole purpose of a hackintosh.
I just don't have the time to do the water cooling and make sure I can OC to 4.3GHz. 10 years ago the answer would have been the opposite but I value my time now more than in the past.
Like others here I will wait for another 3 weeks until WWDC. If there are no MP announcements I will get the OC'd Westmere hackintosh.
http://www.velocitymicro.com/wizard.php?iid=2
Base Price $1,799. Already no where near 1/3 of lowest MPro.
Add $995 hex processor and 850W power supply .... $2,894. 1/3 of , i.e. 3x more, that is $8,682. Anyone want to take bets that is Apple's release price? Don't think so. More likely it will be about $3,600 (six cores around the same GHz range. ). About 25% higher in price.
And missing lots of stuff on the box: second Gb ethernet port, FW800 , ECC memory, 4 easy access drive sleds , EFI boot rom, etc. If don't need those it is a better bargain if willing to give up support and having to roll you own updates.
However, this talk of hex core setups that are sub $2,000 is strange. Unless going AMD, it is not very likely unless, scale back on the box's other components.
P.S. Mac Pro power supply around 900W that's why bumped up the price. Probably should have also bumped up motherboard to the EVGA model . MPro doesn't necessarily do SLI but likely more similar in quality to that EVA board and does support the no connection RAID card (something that is extra.). That would kick the price to $2,999, but figured the hex is super cheap crowd would go bonkers at that price point.
It may not be. I'm somewhat assuming will be able to run multiple SATA channels over wire. If only get one of each protocol it multiplexes then it will not be a good candidate to increase direct attached storage bandwidth.
It will be simpler to implement something that just does one of each handled protocol rather than something that does multiple. If they are trying to minimize controller costs you may not get this.
In that context the real purpose is more aligned with addressing "docking port" / "Apple Display Connnector" problem. ( reducing connectivity to just one "wire" ). The multiprotocol handling feature primarily attacks that issue.
If Apple can bring ADC back in a industry standard I doubt their adoption rate will be slow. Likewise, it is goofy that docking ports for laptops isn't a industry standard.
The direct attached storage application is likely more secondary to those.
You can't toss out ports when there is a HUGE number of legacy devices that folks have to connect. Additonally, I think it is very unlikely that Intel will support FW over LP. Intel is out to kill FW. They have been for a long time. Including FW will only prolog its lifetime. Even if Apple cajoled them into it, would more likely be FW400.
Video , PCI , SATA , USB seema more likely combo. Firwire/eSATA can sit on the remote PCI connectivity without them having to muck with the protocol.
Users aren't going to want a new box to plug into but certainly adapt more quickly to an old external box that had multiple wires going back to the computer: docking station , monitor (with sound and USB ) , and to much less volume multi connector storage.
All of the old stuff still plugs into legacy connectors. Just have faster and fewer "wires" going back to the computer.
The issue in some part though is that LP isn't really a replacement, but an aggregator. It isn't replacing; it is primarily consolidating. On the computer the interacting is still with the old protocols so you need something to "talk" that.
For example international phone traffic is consolidated onto single fibers. That doesn't mean that the individual phones on each side of the connection disappear. You still have standard POTS wiring in the homes.
Granted there is "distant future" talk as though will only need Light Peak. However, that is about as practical as will have direct connect to fiber phones in the home. I think that talk is just to help drum up support (get folks yelping about Leap Peak to computer and peripheral vendors). It is not where the large value add comes from.
If you label one as a 250Mbs wire and one 10000Mbs wire. I think the value proposition is quite obvious to even naive users. Folks pay more for Cat 6 than Cat 4 cable. This one is several orders magnitude bigger. Bigger ==> higher cost .... not that huge of a leap. Plastic / glass isn't as strong as a differentiator as that.
I priced out a cyberpowerpc cobra for $2693 (S&H and tax included) with 980x OC's to 4.3 GHz, 12GB RAM (6x2 GB, 1600 MHz), 950W PS, Gigabyte x58A-UD7 MB, Corsair Obsidian case and watercooling with a 240mm radiator. This includes additional USB ports, Bluetooth and Asus card for additional USB 3 and SATA 3 ports.
If you take the extra stuff out you can push the price down to $2230 shipped. Both setups will beat any MP 6-core, probably all octocores and will only be beaten by the mythical 12-core MP. How much more will a Apple 12-core cost in comparison to this setup?
My best guess is at least $2500 to $3500 more for a total of $5000-6000 (even with the educational discount).
Now, I am willing to pay an additional $1000 to $1500 Apple tax but I have to draw the line at anything over $2000.
The suffering and pain are over - I just ordered a CTO Mac Pro that will serve me well for the next couple of years
I really thought through my software and workload and have concluded that the current machines will deliver all the performance that I will realistically need. Rendering hour long 1080p or 3D modeling would have resulted in a different decision - but those are not things I do. Most of my HD videos are 2 - 4 minute clips - not a lot of time to be saved there. Photoshop / Aperture are used but not that intensely. Web site development / Keynote / Powerpoint presentations are easily handled by far less powerful machines.
There are simply times when you have to purchase - even with an update just around the corner - some corner sometime.
I am at peace and happy to be done with this wait - AND, most importantly - will still be a happy camper whenever they release whatever they release.
I really thought through my software and workload and have concluded that the current machines will deliver all the performance that I will realistically need. Rendering hour long 1080p or 3D modeling would have resulted in a different decision - but those are not things I do. Most of my HD videos are 2 - 4 minute clips - not a lot of time to be saved there. Photoshop / Aperture are used but not that intensely. Web site development / Keynote / Powerpoint presentations are easily handled by far less powerful machines.
There are simply times when you have to purchase - even with an update just around the corner - some corner sometime.
I am at peace and happy to be done with this wait - AND, most importantly - will still be a happy camper whenever they release whatever they release.
Doubtful if want to benchmark against anything that really needs and leverages all cores present and does amount of significant I/O. I'm sure it will run WoW faster. Quite sure it will run totally loaded in cache, micro benchmarks faster. However, any dual CPU package set up is going to have twice the number of memory controllers than your single package set up. So 8 cores with 6 channels versus your 6 with 3. All the overclocking to 4.3 GHz does in that context is exacerbate the memory I/O bottleneck you have.
Nevermind, that overclocking does not improve the lifetime utility of your machine. Overclocking being of high value typically illustrates that you do not have workloads that have value return by adding more cores. More likely getting more value out of bragging rights than fully loading all cores with work most of the time. So you win the flicker the lights in the house when running at full load award.
While the new mid range 12 core (two 5650 ) will likely come in at around $4,600-4,800 it will also will likely beat this box on highly parallel workloads without resorting to overclocking and likely use less power (i.e., lower operating costs.). Even a new 8 (with dual 5620) will likely give run for the money in terms of price performance.
Since there is no Mp today im fed up. Am I getting raped if I buy a 09 new or what is the best way to buy, (used, refurb) I would wait till wwdc but Im going raging pissed when Apple show just some gay new Ipad stuff and the new Iphone and no macpro and this G5 is getting in he way of creativity.
Tonytownsend - I would suggest you moderate your language - that stuff is not necessary to communicate your message is it?
If you are running an ancient G5 than the current MP will simply blow the doors off your expectations. Go ahead and purchase one now if you need it. I just upgraded from a 2007 MP and have not been taken advantage of by Apple - I made an informed decision in line with my business needs.
No need to get so worked up.
If you are running an ancient G5 than the current MP will simply blow the doors off your expectations. Go ahead and purchase one now if you need it. I just upgraded from a 2007 MP and have not been taken advantage of by Apple - I made an informed decision in line with my business needs.
No need to get so worked up.
The suffering and pain are over - I just ordered a CTO Mac Pro that will serve me well for the next couple of years
I really thought through my software and workload and have concluded that the current machines will deliver all the performance that I will realistically need. Rendering hour long 1080p or 3D modeling would have resulted in a different decision - but those are not things I do. Most of my HD videos are 2 - 4 minute clips - not a lot of time to be saved there. Photoshop / Aperture are used but not that intensely. Web site development / Keynote / Powerpoint presentations are easily handled by far less powerful machines.
There are simply times when you have to purchase - even with an update just around the corner - some corner sometime.
I am at peace and happy to be done with this wait - AND, most importantly - will still be a happy camper whenever they release whatever they release.
Nice move! What did you get?
2.66 Quad
Radeon 4870
Stock memory - probably will go OWC 16 GB
WiFi
Will be adding SAMSUNG F3 1 TB drives and a port multiplier eSATA raid box.
My new monitor is the NEC 30" - what an image I'll use one of my older 20" ACD for tools / palettes
Radeon 4870
Stock memory - probably will go OWC 16 GB
WiFi
Will be adding SAMSUNG F3 1 TB drives and a port multiplier eSATA raid box.
My new monitor is the NEC 30" - what an image
I'll use one of my older 20" ACD for tools / palettesThe suffering and pain are over - I just ordered a CTO Mac Pro that will serve me well for the next couple of years
You and I both. I ended up getting the 2.26 8-core with 16MB RAM and 4870.
It arrives tomorrow night.
I also found an article from Anandtech where they manually upgrade from e5520 xeons to the x5570s. So, with the 1366 socket there is a possibility of upgrading the cpus a notch (if those 5570 prices drop), if I feel the need. I still think the pinouts of the e5520s and the x5640s are the same. But I can't prove it.
Congrats on your new machine.
p.s. article is here:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2800/10
Don't skip over the part where they bent the pins and toasted the daughtercard socket.
Pint outs are same: LGA 1366. Voltages are different: 0.75-1.35V vs. 0.8-1.3V respectively.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Xeon_microprocessors#.22Gulftown.22_.2832_nm.29
Then it all depends on the system board design by Apple. If there voltage regulation is tight, or allows the rails. I'm betting they are tight. Especially if they know the dye shrink will have tighter tolerances for future 1366 socket parts. I'll have to look up the recommended range.
Sounds like a fun experiment for Anandtech since they've already successfully upgraded once.
New member here, although I have been following this forum for several months.
After my pc motherboard went out on me after 5 years of Pentium 4 hell I have been drooling over Mac Pros and finally after waiting and waiting for the 2010 Mac pro to arrive I could not wait any longer.
I too pulled the trigger and just purchased the 8-core 2x2.26 machine. I've had now for a couple of weeks and I love it. I even through in an OCZ collosus 128gig SSD for good measure for the OS and it flies.
Too bad Apple is taking so long, I could of had a 2010 version but that's life and I need the workstation now.
Great to be part of the Mac community.
After my pc motherboard went out on me after 5 years of Pentium 4 hell I have been drooling over Mac Pros and finally after waiting and waiting for the 2010 Mac pro to arrive I could not wait any longer.
I too pulled the trigger and just purchased the 8-core 2x2.26 machine. I've had now for a couple of weeks and I love it. I even through in an OCZ collosus 128gig SSD for good measure for the OS and it flies.
Too bad Apple is taking so long, I could of had a 2010 version but that's life and I need the workstation now.
Great to be part of the Mac community.
zeff & Whaditis
Congrats to both of you also.
Forgot to mention that I will go with an ssd for boot & apps also.
As with many others I suspect - can't wait to get mine (maybe delivery by Friday), load her up, and start doing real work
Congrats to both of you also.
Forgot to mention that I will go with an ssd for boot & apps also.
As with many others I suspect - can't wait to get mine (maybe delivery by Friday), load her up, and start doing real work