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Goona

macrumors 68020
Mar 11, 2009
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No they don't want to mention Vista because they know what piece of crap it is.
 

josgraha

macrumors newbie
Jun 19, 2008
15
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Okay i'm taking this right where it needs to go. Could they find an uglier chick seriously? She's not even evening (ala stripper) hot and I don't care if she had a level 80 healer with a 500 gear score there's no way i'm gettin' down with this beeosh in WoW after I know wot that looks like. Know wot i'm sayin' here? Is she supposed to represent WoW hot like WTF is this all about? I've seen some of the cuties playing MMOs now and they would easily get a daytime 6 but this hag is soo hurting. This is TV microsoft, holy crap kick it up a notch.
 

HasanDaddy

macrumors 6502a
Jul 16, 2002
586
27
Los Angeles
ummm....

.....does Sheila realize that she's gonna have to spend about $3,000 to put AVID editing software on that machine?

And probably another $2,000 for Pro Tools if she wants to sound design?

I guess she could go with Adobe Premiere Pro, but that's a good $1500 or so, as well --- better off with a MBP and Final Cut Express....
 

Everlast

macrumors newbie
Feb 4, 2009
28
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So, the next MS laptop hunter ad will be targeting on Audio Editing(cut)? It's getting much more Interesting.. ;)

I remember some of my friends they use windows PC for audio editing for their band's songs, but every time when they tries to import a new plug-in, the windows will crash, shows it doesn't like it, they had to spent a long time to fix it and get back to their work. While the other band that I knew had use Logic on Mac had done what they want and gone to the bar already.
 

AlexisV

macrumors 68000
Mar 12, 2007
1,720
274
Manchester, UK
People probably reading too much into this.

PC = does the job
Mac = 'only' has 2 gigs of RAM

Doesn't really say anything more. 2 gigs is plenty, and they don't actually mention how much RAM the PC has. Who cares though.

It's funny how they linger on the MacBook. It looks way nicer than the others.
 

neiltc13

macrumors 68040
May 27, 2006
3,128
28
What I find funny is that this is the same forum where people are constantly telling others to upgrade to 4GB RAM or more, usually unnecessarily. Now that Microsoft is agreeing with you, you change your minds? :rolleyes:
 

JoshFabean

macrumors newbie
May 5, 2009
1
0
laptops

The comments on the video tell all: WHO uses a laptop for video editing? Kind of says what quality work she does if that's what's she's looking for..

..I can't imagine some video geek from Pixar or Dream Works walking into Best Buy going "Okay, so I need this laptop... I'm a video editor..."

ya I'm a film maker. I do use a laptop but it's a top of the line macbook pro. You simply cannot edit HD video on something that's not a macbook pro, from my experience.

these commercials bother me b/c you can tell these people know nothing about computers at all. I'm not saying people should only buy mac but they're buying laptops knowing nothing about them
 

odedia

macrumors 65816
Nov 24, 2005
1,047
157
So, the next MS laptop hunter ad will be targeting on Audio Editing(cut)? It's getting much more Interesting.. ;)

I remember some of my friends they use windows PC for audio editing for their band's songs, but every time when they tries to import a new plug-in, the windows will crash, shows it doesn't like it, they had to spent a long time to fix it and get back to their work. While the other band that I knew had use Logic on Mac had done what they want and gone to the bar already.

They actually might loose that one... I keep hearing Leo Laporte on "Macbreak Weekly" saying how he can't record his show on a mac because he needs to use Adobe Encore which isn't available on the Mac.
 

Sesshi

macrumors G3
Jun 3, 2006
8,113
1
One Nation Under Gordon
What I find funny is that this is the same forum where people are constantly telling others to upgrade to 4GB RAM or more, usually unnecessarily. Now that Microsoft is agreeing with you, you change your minds? :rolleyes:

What do you expect from a certain body of people who ultimately, when everything is said and done, basically prefers a platform because it better panders to their ignorance and ego simultaneously? And it's ignorance as in a fairly simple inability to apply real-life common sense to computing aspects. Not every Switcher or lifelong Mac adopter obviously, but when you review the reasons why many say they like 'Macs' better, it really does boil down to that in a surprisingly large percentage of situations.

If you're genuinely looking at a truly comparable comparison with an objective eye, the case for superiority is far better presented at the programmer level than anywhere else - where it comes down to minor differences at most. At the application development level is, I think, where OS X's relative coherence of vision comes really together. However, does that translate to significantly better programs? Interestingly, not in the majority of cases.
 

hayesk

macrumors 65816
May 20, 2003
1,460
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Okay i'm taking this right where it needs to go. Could they find an uglier chick seriously? She's not even evening (ala stripper) hot and I don't care if she had a level 80 healer with a 500 gear score there's no way i'm gettin' down with this beeosh in WoW after I know wot that looks like. Know wot i'm sayin' here? Is she supposed to represent WoW hot like WTF is this all about? I've seen some of the cuties playing MMOs now and they would easily get a daytime 6 but this hag is soo hurting. This is TV microsoft, holy crap kick it up a notch.

What is wrong with you?
 

primelight

macrumors newbie
May 5, 2009
1
0
Video Editing on PC?

As Video editors using a laptop, it is very rare to find someone using a PC for video editing. Apple's Final Cut Pro which is only Mac has a VERY large presence. If she is going to share her projects with other editors, she is going to have quite a difficult time not using MAC. Also, that line about 2 GB of RAM is funny, since unless she is doing heavy effects editing and graphics, that is fine as far as RAM. That ad is laughable. They should really stick to their strengths, not try to compete in video imaging as far as PC.
 

Wikinerd

macrumors 6502
Jan 6, 2008
389
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What I find funny is that this is the same forum where people are constantly telling others to upgrade to 4GB RAM or more, usually unnecessarily. Now that Microsoft is agreeing with you, you change your minds? :rolleyes:

Yes, you would need 4GB of RAM in Vista. OS X runs fine in 2GB—I, for one, am running OS X on my MacBook, late 2007, 2.2GHz.

And yes, 4GB of RAM is unnecessary if you're just using it for internet browsing, word processing, etc. Heck, I can run 4 Adobe CS4 Master Collection without visible lag... (Vista is an entirely different story)


But ultimately, no. 2GB RAM is usually not sufficient for decent movie editing, regardless of operating system... Doing so would not be exhibiting technical intelligence...

They actually might loose that one... I keep hearing Leo Laporte on "Macbreak Weekly" saying how he can't record his show on a mac because he needs to use Adobe Encore which isn't available on the Mac.

I find that rather funny... I am running that right now... (available in Production Prem. and Master Collection like so in Windows...)
 

seanm9

macrumors regular
Dec 29, 2007
143
0
Cape Cod, MA
3rd add fails too in some ways.

...
The 3rd ad works, pointing 2 excellent points, blu-ray and games....

the 3rd add fails because when i think blu-ray and games i think PS3. For half of what they paid for the Sony laptop they could have got the PS3 and a **** load of games and movies... so how did they save money? and wouldn't you love to see them get paid by MS to not buy and X-Box 360?
 

Chwisch87

macrumors 6502
Sep 30, 2008
274
0
No they don't want to mention Vista because they know what piece of crap it is.

Vista after SP1 is really not a bad OS.

I just installed the Win 7 RC today and wow ... just wow. I thought the beta was really nice and many said the beta could be released today because of how stable it was. The RC has a level of polish that is just great.

I gotta say guys, Unless Snow Leopard does something absolutely amazing, Windows will become my primary day to day OS. I am currently buying an i7 rig (which is just gonna stupid fast lol). So after that is built i will have my macbook pro and the custom built i7 windows machine. Finally i will have a proper desktop again.

However more to my point. Windows 7 will launch in a few months more than likely (the RC works until next year for breathing room for Microsoft unless something disastrous happens I suppose.) I installed the RC today with no problems what so ever and any and all programs works perfectly. The reviews for the OS are consistently positive.

Much like 95 was a game changer, windows 7 has the potential to stop any Apple advance into market in its tracks. Microsoft is already working with PC builders to get PC laptops up to spec with Mac machines (battery life, screen resolution). The OS is no longer then whipping boy and battle cry for apple.

Let me put it this way ... there are a lot of traditional PC users out there like me who in the last few years got apple computers because we wanted to use OSX for our day to day computing. Windows 7 does everything just as good if not better than OS-X and has the potential to bring a lot of people that switch to make back into the windows fold for day to day use. The paradigm of windows at the office - mac at the home will likely be change.
 

Prompey

macrumors newbie
Apr 18, 2009
4
0
Minnesota
That on top of the sticker price you need to buy more third party hardware to make your Mac's hardware up to par with a Windows machine?

I'm not even going to bring up how many times I've linked to Apple's support documentation on Activity Monitor.

So are you only going to try and forget all the extra add-ons you need for your amazing windows setup! Anti-virus, office software that is incredibly overpriced, (whoa, a year went bye, better get some more anti-virus software) don't forget to have somebody install it for you! Cause if you're buying a windows computer again, you obviously don't know anything about computers, so...
 

Prompey

macrumors newbie
Apr 18, 2009
4
0
Minnesota
What I find funny is that this is the same forum where people are constantly telling others to upgrade to 4GB RAM or more, usually unnecessarily. Now that Microsoft is agreeing with you, you change your minds? :rolleyes:
it's not always unnecessary, but sometimes yes! i think it's frustrating when you say it like that because of the way it's presented! they take a person who obviously knows nothing about computers and tries to make them sound knowledgeable! 2nd they attempt to cover up the fact that windows needs all types of "after the fact" software (ex. anti-virus, office [minimum of $150] services to do the install and configuration for anti-virus!! that seems to seal the deal on the entire idea!
apple commercials don't try to shy away from the fact they are expensive but, microsoft doesn't include the software costs and such to get the computer to effectively last!
 

DMann

macrumors 601
Jan 13, 2002
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As Video editors using a laptop, it is very rare to find someone using a PC for video editing. Apple's Final Cut Pro which is only Mac has a VERY large presence. If she is going to share her projects with other editors, she is going to have quite a difficult time not using MAC. Also, that line about 2 GB of RAM is funny, since unless she is doing heavy effects editing and graphics, that is fine as far as RAM. That ad is laughable. They should really stick to their strengths, not try to compete in video imaging as far as PC.
Laughable indeed - funny how editing software was neither mentioned nor hinted at during this ad. MBP and FCP would have been the optimal choice for anyone attempting to edit/process/render media on a laptop, and 2G RAM is more than sufficient to do so.
 

sal

macrumors 6502
Oct 13, 2007
349
0
I'm making the assumption that if Sheila is dumb enough to use a laptop for video editing she doesn't realize the HP won't run Final Cut..
but she can run avid(the majority of hollywood films are edited on an avid). or she could run cs4 production suite.

In this commercial they should have shown her authoring a bluray disc using encore. That would have really upset FCP users :eek:

FCP right now is not something mac users should be braggin about.
FCStudio 3 better make things good again and it better be released soon.
 

DMann

macrumors 601
Jan 13, 2002
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but she can run avid(the majority of hollywood films are edited on an avid). or she could run cs4 production suite.

In this commercial they should have shown her authoring a bluray disc using encore. That would have really upset FCP users :eek:

FCP right now is not something mac users should be braggin about.
FCStudio 3 better make things good again and it better be released soon.
True, the majority of Hollywood releases are edited with Avid suites. However, this is usually done via high end Avid workstations, not laptops. I use Avid Xpress Pro, Media Composer and FCS on my MBP. However, I've had lots of problems using external storage with Xpress Pro in conjuction with laptops, generally, as Xpress Pro doesn't function well when the same fire-wire card handles two devices (a deck/camcorder and an external fire-wire drive, for instance). I find FCS much more functional on a laptop, and files can be easily transfered via Avid codecs from FCS to Avid, and vice versa, or easily recaptured using FCS. Also, sharing and transferring files, while shooting, with other editors, happens to be much easier, since the majority of them are using Macs with FCS. Furthermore, I am looking forward to FCS3 as well.
 

jonbrackett

macrumors newbie
May 6, 2009
1
0
where do they find these people?

uh...i need ram. derrrrr. or i can get a macbook, upgrade the ram for like 60 bucks. and replace the HD for 100. and then i'd have a blazin fast mac with something that windows doesn't have - FINAL CUT FREAKING PRO!!!
 

philips

macrumors regular
Oct 14, 2004
148
0
Baden-Württemberg, Germany
There's still a small nag in the back of my mind that you started off talking about the compositing window managers though.

I'm not sure what the guy meant and how composition handling relates to memory consumption.

From my experience as Windows developer, main problem in Windows is its file system. But not even the file system itself, but all those silly DOS bogosities NTFS implements even now. For better BC they say. That's the first point. Second is internal resource management. Originating from WinNT, adopted from Win3.x, Windows still uses pretty archaic system how most of the resources are organized internally and how they have to be accessed for programs to be efficient. The two points combined (plus M$ inability - for more than a decade(!) now - to improve all the crap) lead to the effect that Windows has to cache like hell all possible types of information (e.g. graphics or localization) for applications to be any efficient, real-time (a prerequisite for smooth visual effects) and not cause any conflicts with other applications.

Mac OS X with aging HFS+ on normal, end-user workloads beats crap out of Windows with modern (but fragmenting like hell) NTFS. And M$ found no better solution other than to loosen the memory consumption requirements (in times of Win2K development) for its OS as a way to improve performance.

In the end, it is quite simple fact: Mac OS X development is much better managed and organized than that of Windows. (What was actually confirmed many times by insiders/msofties on the mini-msft blog: Windows business unit is quite far from the top of unofficial MS business units list where it is good to be an employee.)
 

philips

macrumors regular
Oct 14, 2004
148
0
Baden-Württemberg, Germany
Unlike Windows apps, OS X apps do not install DLLs in shared folders scattered randomly throughout the OS
Can you elaborate?

Mac OS X software deployment guide (or whatever it is called - touched Xcode last time in 10.3 times) pretty much clearly defines what and where can be and should be installed. Mac OS X applications, when you first run them might install into system directory libraries - but only libraries which are coming from Apple itself. So that Mac OS X SU can take care of them. For the proprietary libraries, they should be located inside of application bundle. Plus, unlike Windows, Mac OS X allows several versions of the same system library to be installed.

Windows doesn't have any kind of guidelines of the sort. Even more, for some fancy functions to work, libraries *must* be installed into %windir% or %windir%\system32. (Classical example: global keyboard shortcuts.) And due to the bogosities of internal Windows organization, during deinstall, the library might not be removed - forcing good uninstaller to prompt for restart or making bad uninstaller to fail to remove it.

"DLL Hell" solution (so called "dllcache") was triggered by two different problems. First is that M$ often provides different versions of same library in different development products. Worst part: library's internal version info is quite often simply wrong. You install one piece of software and it works. You install second - it works. But first broke. You reinstall first app - it works, but second doesn't. Second problem is even sillier. Say you have two applications - both are shipped with two different libraries which happen to have same name. After you start first application (and library would be loaded into memory), second application would fail to start, because older Windows would look up the library by its name, find a (wrong) copy loaded in memory and try to use it for second application. WinXP sort of solved both problems allowing applications to finally have their own private libraries - by again inflating memory consumption since some standard libraries are not shared among running applications anymore.
 
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