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Guy Incognito

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When you use Parallels to run Windows inside of OS X, some of the hardware is virtualized. When you use Boot Camp to run Windows natively, all of the hardware is what's actually on your machine. So what you have to do is use two different hardware profiles inside of Windows - one for your "virtualized" hardware set (running under OS X) and one for your "native" hardware set. Just be sure you name them in a way that makes it easy to distinguish at Windows boot time.

Thanks for the clarification. Indeed, the setup you describe is precisely how the Parallels setup is supposed to work. My experience (and that of others on the Parallels forums) is that is does not. I'd be interested to hear if anyone using a version of XP that requires activation is not having these problems.
 

elbirth

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Jan 19, 2006
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Be careful with this one. I ended up re-installing my bootcamp (was faster than "fixing" whatever this did to it)

Wait for the bugs to get fixed. GREAT concept though. Can't wait for it to work right.

What happened that required you to have to fix your Windows install? I've been running XP under the new parallels off of my Boot Camp partition for nearly a day now mostly in Coherence mode and using the shared folder to copy files between OSX and XP and everything is working flawlessly so far.
 

Westside guy

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Oct 15, 2003
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Thanks for the clarification. Indeed, the setup you describe is precisely how the Parallels setup is supposed to work. My experience (and that of others on the Parallels forums) is that is does not. I'd be interested to hear if anyone using a version of XP that requires activation is not having these problems.

Ah... now I see what you're saying. I interpreted your post as complaining about the detected hardware change itself, not the fact that it tripped the reactivation sequence. And it makes sense that I wouldn't have seen this sort of issue (when I did this with VMware on a Windows/Linux dual-boot box), since I'm fortunate enough to have access to a corporate licensed version of XP.

But I'm not sure what (if anything) Parallels can do about that.
 

Jame

macrumors newbie
Oct 22, 2006
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Pocola, Oklahoma
I love the new 3036 on the surface. Looks better and has a lot of really nice features, BUT remember it is a BETA... I have been running 170 for a while now and it was working fine, very stable. I installed the 3036 BETA and right off i started having trouble... When ever i went into my email program which is Incredimail, i would type 5 to 10 words and all of a sudden i find myself back at the Mac desktop....no parallels... it does it everytime.

It even did it a few times when not in the email program... a few times it would restart parallels, but mostly it would just go to mac desktop. So, if you want to install a BETA, then go for it, but figure on probably having to uninstall and loosing everything, other wise stay with a stable 170 till they get the kinks worked out. Once they do, it looks like it will be a good one.
 

penter

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Jun 15, 2006
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And no USB2 support (although you do get full USB/firewire access to external drives if you mount /Volumes as a shared folder)


how do you mout an exernal drive as a shared folder?? i've been trying to access my external drive from parallels and i havent been able to.:confused:

also, how do i access a disk that i have inserted into the drive through parallels?:confused:
 

mac-convert

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Nov 2, 2006
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Are we there yet?
I love the new 3036 on the surface. Looks better and has a lot of really nice features, BUT remember it is a BETA... I have been running 170 for a while now and it was working fine, very stable. I installed the 3036 BETA and right off i started having trouble... When ever i went into my email program which is Incredimail, i would type 5 to 10 words and all of a sudden i find myself back at the Mac desktop....no parallels... it does it everytime.

I had pretty much the same problems. I tried to build a Win2K and Office2K system (no registration required with my CD's) and it would get part way through various operations and bam, I'd be back in Mac land. After working with different methods of installing for two days, I finally gave up and went back to build 1970 and everything became stable again.

There are some real nice features in this next release, but I am thinking it was almost a total re-write with all the problems in this that shouldn't be there. I'll take the upgrade once it settles down a bit.
 

balamw

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Aug 16, 2005
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how do you mout an exernal drive as a shared folder?? i've been trying to access my external drive from parallels and i havent been able to.:confused:

also, how do i access a disk that i have inserted into the drive through parallels?:confused:
I think what was meant is if you use Parallels tools to make /Volumes a shared folder (read Parallels help on shared folders). You'll get full access to the drives, at least as much as OS X will (so NTFS would still be read only.)

For optical drives, make sure that the disc is not mounted in OS X and Parallels will usually be able to pick it up.

B
 

Westside guy

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Oct 15, 2003
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Beta build 3036 has been stable for me - only light use so far though. The one "issue" I've had is the pause button on the right isn't mapped to "Suspend", like it was in the version installed off the CD (which was build 1970 I think). The pause button now literally pauses the virtual machine - not sure why that would be particularly useful.
 

MRU

macrumors Penryn
Aug 23, 2005
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Been very stable for me and i'm very impressed. I just wish they sort out linux to be as flexible as they have made xp to be.
 

plinden

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I think what was meant is if you use Parallels tools to make /Volumes a shared folder (read Parallels help on shared folders). You'll get full access to the drives, at least as much as OS X will (so NTFS would still be read only.)

For optical drives, make sure that the disc is not mounted in OS X and Parallels will usually be able to pick it up.

B
Remember, during shared folders set up, you can't browse to /Volumes since it's a hidden OS X folder, and the setup is done in OS X. But you can enter it manually. And yes, NTFS external drives are read-only.
 

Bill Gates

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Jun 21, 2006
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127.0.0.1
I installed the new beta the other night using my trial key for Parallels. While the feature list is nice, it certainly is not ready for primetime, or even as a beta in my opinion. It's very glitchy and unstable at this point. If I had to guess I'd say they released it to try and prevent people from going over VMWare's Fusion by showing them what's in the works.
 

lieb39

macrumors 6502
Mar 17, 2005
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Melbourne, Australia
I'm actually going to buy Parallels for this beta.. I'm LOVING the co-thingy.. I can finally use MSN Messenger for windows.. and proper outlook! That's all I need! I'm not touching my desktop anymore.. this is MUCH better! :)

Cheers!
 

elbirth

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Jan 19, 2006
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North Carolina, US
I'll buy Parallels the moment Convergence + FAT32 Boot Camp work :)

Just curious, but why use FAT32?
I know OS X can't write to NTFS, but you can setup a shared folder between OS X and Windows through Parallels on your OS X partition and you can read/write to that from both OSes just fine.
 

SiliconAddict

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Jun 19, 2003
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While impressive I think I'm going to wait until I can do a side by side comparison with VMWare. Part of me thinks that VMWare is waiting to see what Apple does with virtulization in Leopard. Or more likely they already know about this but havea NDA tied around their neck. Those top secret features anyone?
I've talked with several people, who are kinda in the know, that believe that Apple may be tying something, I think its called xen or something, into an extension for Leopard that speeds up virtualization big time. If this is the case I'd expect both VMWare and Parallels to take advantage of it.
 

MRU

macrumors Penryn
Aug 23, 2005
25,370
8,952
a better place
While impressive I think I'm going to wait until I can do a side by side comparison with VMWare. Part of me thinks that VMWare is waiting to see what Apple does with virtulization in Leopard

virtualization was dropped from leopard ages ago. It was about the same time parallels came out and so people just assumed apple had bowed our the way to parallels to cover virtualization for them, (hence the using windows on mac adverts stating theu required parallels)..

There has been no mention of virtualization in leopard in a long time, I think you can take that silence as pretty much the nail in the coffin for it to be built into 10.5
 

Flowbee

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Dec 27, 2002
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There has been no mention of virtualization in leopard in a long time, I think you can take that silence as pretty much the nail in the coffin for it to be built into 10.5

...Or as one of the super-secret Leoprd features that Steve said would be announced later.
 

SiliconAddict

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Jun 19, 2003
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virtualization was dropped from leopard ages ago. It was about the same time parallels came out and so people just assumed apple had bowed our the way to parallels to cover virtualization for them, (hence the using windows on mac adverts stating theu required parallels)..

There has been no mention of virtualization in leopard in a long time, I think you can take that silence as pretty much the nail in the coffin for it to be built into 10.5

I wouldn't say that. Virtualization is definitely something that could be dropped into place in the OS. Apple may simply not have released it in the developer builds since there really only are two major virtualization companies out there right now. Parallels and VMWare may may both have those module right now and are under tight NDA's.

It very well could be the top secret feature jobs was talking about. Personally I don't think apple themselves are going to provide the virt software. I think they would provide deep ties to OS X through kernel extensions to allow very fast support. (Read Coherency runs super smooth.) Again its an open source tool called XEN
 

penter

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Jun 15, 2006
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I think what was meant is if you use Parallels tools to make /Volumes a shared folder (read Parallels help on shared folders). You'll get full access to the drives, at least as much as OS X will (so NTFS would still be read only.)

For optical drives, make sure that the disc is not mounted in OS X and Parallels will usually be able to pick it up.

B

hey, thnx. i understand it clearly now. now, what you said about the optical drives.... that was the big problem i was grappling with. how can I "unmount" the disk without physically removing it from the drive??
 

balamw

Moderator emeritus
Aug 16, 2005
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New England
how can I "unmount" the disk without physically removing it from the drive??
Unmounting a drive without ejecting is an option in Disk Utility.

Plus, if you assign the hardware to Parallels before inserting a disc it'll go to Parallels first.

B
 

Flyinace2000

macrumors 6502a
Sep 28, 2004
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Anyone having issues with Compressor? I run compressor, the machine restarts. But when it gets past the "Preparing to compact disks" the machine grays out like it is paused. The first time i did it Parallels crashed out to the OSX desktop after about 10 minutes. I am on try #2 and its been about 15 minutes. How long should the machine be in "pause" mode for a compact?
 

thebeephaha

macrumors 6502
Sep 4, 2006
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Seattle WA
I have an issue, I installed the Parallels-Tools-Bcp-1.0.3-Win.exe and everything, but I get this when I try to boot into Windows:

3036error.jpg


I have XP Pro on NTFS.
 
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