New RTX 40 series cards were announced what do you guys think

[diamond.g]

The 4060 seems to beat the RX 7600, but not the RX 6700xt I don't really want to put money down on a prior gen gpu, especially one that has such poor RT performance - at least compared to current gen cards.

I tested Nvidia’s new RTX 4060 against the RX 7600 — and it’s not pretty



Let me just say I'm enthralled with DLSS 3, however with AMD throwing money at major games, they're doing a good job (bad for consumers) blocking DLSS 3 adoption.

Luckily I have time on my side and I'm not making a decision to replace my 2060 too soon.

It seems like the gist is: if you don't have with RT then it doesn't matter which card you get; if you do game with RT then go RTX because AMD RT is a generation behind.

Alternatively you also have to take into account how DLSS2 tends to have better IQ than FSR2 plus framegen doesn't have an alternative from anyone else yet.

 

[maflynn]

It seems like the gist is: if you don't have with RT then it doesn't matter which card you get; if you do game with RT then go RTX because AMD RT is a generation behind.

That's the thing, how much RT do I need in a game? With Cyberpunk, I can live w/o it. I'm generally pleased with the my 2060, so that just goes to show you how hard I'm pushing the GPU and the types of games I'm playing. Hell, I just looked up my motherboard and I'm rocking PCI gen 3, not even gen 4. I don't want a GPU upgrade to suddenly turn into a money pit, i.e., upgrade my motherboard, and cpu, case, cooler etc.

Alternatively you also have to take into account how DLSS2 tends to have better IQ than FSR2 plus framegen doesn't have an alternative from anyone else yet.

I know there's a lot of hate with nvidia, and deservedly so, but I do think DLSS is a superior technology then FSR. The input lag with framegen would annoy me, so I don't think that's a thing I would want.

 

[diamond.g]

That's the thing, how much RT do I need in a game? With Cyberpunk, I can live w/o it. I'm generally pleased with the my 2060, so that just goes to show you how hard I'm pushing the GPU and the types of games I'm playing. Hell, I just looked up my motherboard and I'm rocking PCI gen 3, not even gen 4. I don't want a GPU upgrade to suddenly turn into a money pit, i.e., upgrade my motherboard, and cpu, case, cooler etc.


I know there's a lot of hate with nvidia, and deservedly so, but I do think DLSS is a superior technology then FSR. The input lag with framegen would annoy me, so I don't think that's a thing I would want.

Oh you are on PCIe Gen 3? I would probably stay away from the mainstream entry level cards then because they are Gen4x8 which means if you go over frame buffer you will see even worse performance then you see now.

I guess you may not hit this issue if you play at 1080p medium settings, but turning RT on may cause issues depending on the game.

Yeah hardware accelerated upscaling is better than software upscaling. Maybe AMD should have came out with a hardware version like nvidia did but offer a software fallback (so basically take Intels XeSS route).

 

[maflynn]

Oh you are on PCIe Gen 3? I would probably stay away from the mainstream entry level cards then because they are Gen4x8 which means if you go over frame buffer you will see even worse performance then you see now.

Yeah, that kind of sucks

 

[maflynn]

Oh you are on PCIe Gen 3?

Oddly enough I have a mostly built PC unused using a Gigabyte X570 motherboard that is PCI 4.0 (AMD cpu). I think I may dust that off, put a M.2 SSD into it and see how that goes.

 

[MacCheetah3]

I know there's a lot of hate with nvidia, and deservedly so

Regarding pricing, that reasonably goes for most companies nowadays. The pandemic especially has fueled (an excuse for) companies to press profit margins to the bleeding edge.

Anyway (but still related to whining/complaining)...

Hate is trendy/ing. Just one example:

Phil (i.e., JayzTwoCents) received backlash, claiming, in part, the comparisons were purposefully misleading, on their posted 4060 Ti piece/review, pulled the video, and even got Jay to apologize. However, the truth was Phil’s choice to make a buy recommendation based significantly on two generations back (i.e., 2060 Super comparison) was a reasonably/realistically fresh change of perspective.

While I can cite Steam’s data, which (still) shows a substantial amount of their users utilizing 10 and 20 series GeForce cards:

Steam Hardware & Software Survey

Let’s also look right here:

I finally replaced my 1060 with a 4070 and it's been great.

I'm generally pleased with the my 2060

Basically, take all of those “reviews” as a grain of salt/sand. Remember, most of the popular social media is also capitalism, adjusting and justifying their message based on things such as “we need to appease the algorithm."

 

[diamond.g]

Regarding pricing, that reasonably goes for most companies nowadays. The pandemic especially has fueled (an excuse for) companies to press profit margins to the bleeding edge.

Anyway (but still related to whining/complaining)...

Hate is trendy/ing. Just one example:

Phil (i.e., JayzTwoCents) received backlash, pulled the video, and even got Jay to apologize on their posted 4060 Ti piece/review claiming, in part, the comparisons were purposefully misleading. However, the truth was Phil’s choice to make a buy recommendation based significantly on two generations back (i.e., 2060 Super comparison) was a reasonably/realistically fresh change of perspective.

While I can cite Steam’s data, which (still) shows a substantial amount of their users utilizing 10 and 20 series GeForce cards:

Steam Hardware & Software Survey

Let’s also look right here:



Basically, take all of those “reviews” as a grain of salt/sand. Remember, most of the popular social media is also capitalism, adjusting and justifying their message based on things such as “we need to appease the algorithm."

It really is all a matter of perspective. The 4060 is basically as fast as a 2080, with DLSS 3 and a cheaper MSRP (and lower TDP). That isn't a bad thing, it just seems like not as big of a jump as folks were hoping for.

 

[dmr727]

That's the thing, how much RT do I need in a game? With Cyberpunk, I can live w/o it.

I've been very underwhelmed with RT in games, to the point where I just leave it off. It certainly makes sense for you to hang onto your 2060 at least until you're ready to upgrade the rest of your machine.

 

[drugdoubles]

It really is all a matter of perspective. The 4060 is basically as fast as a 2080, with DLSS 3 and a cheaper MSRP (and lower TDP). That isn't a bad thing, it just seems like not as big of a jump as folks were hoping for.

Greedia would never jump when there is no real competition especially AI

 

[maflynn]

It certainly makes sense for you to hang onto your 2060 at least until you're ready to upgrade the rest of your machine.

I'm actually upgrading my Ryzen machine right now. I just installed 64GB of ram this past weekend. I'm hoping to snag a 5600X3D from microcenter this weekend, and next month I'm going to upgrade the GPU. Given the small case, and restricted air flow, I am leaning towards the 4060, but I'll not take the plunge until next month at the earliest.

 

[diamond.g]

Greedia would never jump when there is no real competition especially AI

Historically they had been giving large increases in performance for the “same” price. Now we do get a performance improvement but the prices are also going up (let’s ignore how the 3060 was actually more expensive than the 4060).

 

[drugdoubles]

Historically they had been giving large increases in performance for the “same” price. Now we do get a performance improvement but the prices are also going up (let’s ignore how the 3060 was actually more expensive than the 4060).

Amd provides almost zero value for AI, Greedia is leading too much now.

 

[maflynn]

Now we do get a performance improvement but the prices are also going up

The games nvidia played muddied the waters as well. The 4060, as you mentioned is really a 50 series card in terms of specs and is slower then a 3060-ti. The 4080 12GB that was unceremoniously unlaunched after a huge amount of backlash.

 

[maflynn]

Greedia is leading too much now.

Greedia? What do you mean Greedia

 

[drugdoubles]

Greedia? What do you mean Greedia

Nvidia

 

[dmr727]

The games nvidia played muddied the waters as well. The 4060, as you mentioned is really a 50 series card in terms of specs and is slower then a 3060-ti. The 4080 12GB that was unceremoniously unlaunched after a huge amount of backlash.

This is the reason I had a hard time opening my wallet and giving them by business. I was ready to jump ship to AMD, but I have too many half-completed CUDA projects that I keep telling myself I'll finish.

 

[maflynn]

Nvidia

That’s lame

 

[maflynn]

This is the reason I had a hard time opening my wallet and giving them by business

No question, I'm no nvidia fanboy but I'm not really liking what AMD is offering plus for the price of the 7600, I'm getting a slower GPU. I could get the 6700XT but I'm not sure my tiny case, and power supply would handle that. Also I'm having an issue with buying last generation, if I'm going to spend money, I want current gen

 

[diamond.g]

No question, I'm no nvidia fanboy but I'm not really liking what AMD is offering plus for the price of the 7600, I'm getting a slower GPU. I could get the 6700XT but I'm not sure my tiny case, and power supply would handle that. Also I'm having an issue with buying last generation, if I'm going to spend money, I want current gen

That resolution do you game at (and what games do you play)? I wonder if an Arc A770 would be a better choice. It comes with more RAM and is as fast or faster than the 4060 in a lot of newer titles.

 

[maflynn]

? I wonder if an Arc A770 would be a better choice.

Mostly 1440p, though I'll select 1080p for performance sake.

That resolution do you game at (and what games do you play)?

Yeah, I was kicking that card around, but I really don't trust intel in supporting the platform, they've done a horrible job rolling out the ARC series cards, and to be honest performance on the Arc GPU is still all over the place. Some games have great FPS, others unnervingly have horrible FPS.

 

[diamond.g]

Mostly 1440p, though I'll select 1080p for performance sake.

Yeah, I was kicking that card around, but I really don't trust intel in supporting the platform, they've done a horrible job rolling out the ARC series cards, and to be honest performance on the Arc GPU is still all over the place. Some games have great FPS, others unnervingly have horrible FPS.

Yeah, from what I have read Intels driver support is fine but there is no telling how long they will actually support the hardware, especially since they have done separate (dedicated) graphics since the i740 (I am 100% ignoring DG1).

 

[dmr727]

I *really* wanted to support Intel's aggressive pricing by going with Arc, but got spooked because I still spend so much time with older titles - didn't want to wait around for the drivers to catch up. I wish them all the success in the world, though.

 

[maflynn]

but got spooked because I still spend so much time with older titles

Yep, I play older games mostly myself. I'm looking for an upgrade due to Starfield coming out, though the irony is that AMD and Bethesda signed an exclusive so, we'll most likely not even have DLSS offered. Maybe I'll re-evaluate the 7600 again ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[maflynn]

An interesting video on why the RTX 4060 is really a xx50 class machine. I like what he had to say, and its quite plausible that this card was going to be a 4050 card
.

 

[diamond.g]

Newegg has a 4060ti for roughly 340 with coupon code... I feel like that is a better deal than the 299 vanilla 4060.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti GPU Now Available For Just $334 US, Lower Price Than Most RTX 3060 Ti's

The NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti GPU has hit its lowest price and is currently available for just $334 US at the leading retailer, Newegg.

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