iPhone SE (2016) New SE2 Rumor?

[splitpea]

If this is true, I might have to consider upgrading.

Or maybe it’s a downgrade? More screen area: harder to use one-handed (the SE is already at the limit of what I can reach). No Touch ID. No headphone jack.

Still, having a non-phablet option when one’s SE finally kicks the bucket seems like a good thing.

https://techgarage.blog/en/new-photos-of-iphone-se-2-with-glass-back-is-it-about-to-launch/

 

[pika2000]

Nope.

That pic looks just like a fan-made rendering, and there are a LOT of those on the net. And you don't see major tech blogs reporting that news, only various random random.

A proper leak would be actual parts for the new device being photograph by someone from China.

 

[Apple_Robert]

The SE is not coming back. Time for the SE cult members to focus on something else.

 

[sunapple]

Wait, that website actually takes those renders as 'proof'? Am I missing something or are they just that hungry for clicks?

 

[chabig]

Wait, that website actually takes those renders as 'proof'? Am I missing something or are they just that hungry for clicks?

They all do that. Even MacRumors writes articles about random people's renders.

 

[maflynn]

The SE is not coming back. Time for the SE cult members to focus on something else.

In all honesty with lower phone sales, I wouldn't be surprised to see Apple slam something together quickly. I'm not buying the renders, but I'm also not going to be surprised if apple roles out a new SE late 2019 either.

 

[Apple_Robert]

In all honesty with lower phone sales, I wouldn't be surprised to see Apple slam something together quickly. I'm not buying the renders, but I'm also not going to be surprised if apple roles out a new SE late 2019 either.

I suppose with Apple anything is possible. I just don't see them doing that, though. I don't believe there is a large enough demand. I also believe the XR was their compromise (if you will) for replacing the SE.

You could be right, Mike. I suppose we will see what turns out in September.

 

[Moonjumper]

I don't believe the mock up at all. Sensors don't shrink because of a smaller screen. The notch should still be the same size as the larger devices. In fact there would be so little screen left either side that they might as well go straight across. No notch is another reason it could be better than the larger devices.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

The SE is not coming back. Time for the SE cult members to focus on something else.

You know, it is perfectly possible to state that the iPhone SE "is not coming back" without additionally sneering at those who admire the form, size, portability and elegant aesthetics of this phone.

 

[sunapple]

They all do that. Even MacRumors writes articles about random people's renders.

MacRumors based a rumor on a render before? Could you provide with a link?

There’s a difference between discussing possibilities using renders or providing renders for a visualization of an existing rumor and actually saying a new SE is coming because you found a render online.

 

[Apple_Robert]

You know, it is perfectly possible to state that the iPhone SE "is not coming back" without additionally sneering at those who admire the form, size, portability and elegant aesthetics of this phone.

It was made with a friendly forum intent. If one thinks about it, we all have our area of Apple cult appreciation. Hence my comment.

I like and fully support the design and use of my iPhone Max. I would gladly say I am a cult follower / supporter.

No need to get defensive.

 

[Scepticalscribe]

It was made with a friendly forum intent. If one thinks about it, we all have our area of Apple cult appreciation. Hence my comment.

I like and fully support the design and use of my iPhone Max. I would gladly say I am a cult follower / supporter.

No need to get defensive.

I am merely pointing out that there is a striking distinction between liking a form factor and the sort of abdication of critical faculties and judgement that the word "cult" implies. In fact, I am neither defensive nor a cultist.

While he lived, I never subscribed to the blind adulation and uncritical worship that attended much of the commentary here and elsewhere concerning The Founder, (although I accept that his taste was impeccable at times, marrying form and function in an impressive fusion of design mastery).

However, as I observed earlier, it is perfectly possible observe that the iPhone SE is hardly likely to make a return to Apple stores without seeking to denigrate those who like it.

 

[Apple_Robert]

I am merely pointing out that there is a striking distinction between liking a form factor and the sort of abdication of critical faculties and judgement that the word "cult" implies. In fact, I am neither defensive nor a cultist.

While he lived, I never subscribed to the blind adulation and uncritical worship that attended much of the commentary here and elsewhere concerning The Founder, (although I accept that his taste was impeccable at times, marrying form and function in an impressive fusion of design mastery).

However, as I observed earlier, it is perfectly possible observe that the iPhone SE is hardly likely to make a return to Apple stores without seeking to denigrate those who like it.

"A cult following comprises a group of fans who are highly dedicated to a work of culture, often referred to as a cult classic. A film, book, musical artist, television series or video game, among other things, is said to have a cult following when it has a small but very passionate fanbase. A common component of cult followings is the emotional attachment the fans have to the object of the cult following, often identifying themselves and other fans as members of a community. Cult followings are also commonly associated with niche markets. Cult media are often associated with underground culture, and are considered too eccentric or subversive to be appreciated by the general public or to be commercially successful."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_following

That is how I used the term in my post. I think you are being a little too thin skinned and reading a derisive definition and intent in my post where there isn't any.

I don't see a need to clutter the thread anymore in discussing my use of the word more. We have both made our points clear and you appear to disagree with my usage of the word.

 

[ThatiPhoneKid]

It was made with a friendly forum intent. If one thinks about it, we all have our area of Apple cult appreciation. Hence my comment.

I like and fully support the design and use of my iPhone Max. I would gladly say I am a cult follower / supporter.

No need to get defensive.

I am merely pointing out that there is a striking distinction between liking a form factor and the sort of abdication of critical faculties and judgement that the word "cult" implies. In fact, I am neither defensive nor a cultist.

While he lived, I never subscribed to the blind adulation and uncritical worship that attended much of the commentary here and elsewhere concerning The Founder, (although I accept that his taste was impeccable at times, marrying form and function in an impressive fusion of design mastery).

However, as I observed earlier, it is perfectly possible observe that the iPhone SE is hardly likely to make a return to Apple stores without seeking to denigrate those who like it.

I don’t think @BasicGreatGuy wanted to cause an argument with his post, he simply was telling the OP that the iPhone SE is not going to be coming back and maybe anyone who wants Apple to release a new iPhone SE should maybe focus on other Apple products.

I actually think that @BasicGreatGuy post gives the OP a great answer to their question, he is telling it how it is and that is it’s very unlikely Apple will release a new iPhone SE. I can not see any harm in his post whatsoever

 

[Scepticalscribe]

I don't see a need to clutter the thread anymore my discussing my use of the word more. We have both made our points clear and you appear to disagree with my usage of the word.

With respect, it is not "cluttering" the thread to call out a post which seeks to denigrate those who like a particular form factor.

It is possible to argue that the model in question is technologically obsolete and no longer considered profitable yet still not seek to belittle or denigrate those who prefer the form factor.

Thus, it is not just the word, - although your clarification of your precise meaning is welcome - it is the attitude behind the casual dismissive use of the noun/adjective that I contend with and dispute.

Many on these threads deplore PRSI, but I have noticed that the tenor of debate on the iPhone threads can be every bit as unpleasant.

However, let us agree to differ.

And, on topic, while I doubt that Apple will produce an iPhone SE 2, I deeply regret that, as it was one of the finest (and best designed and ergonomic) phones that they had ever produced.

 

[kevink2]

They all do that. Even MacRumors writes articles about random people's renders.

If I was into doing renders, I would consider doing a hockey puck shaped, all glass, iPhone O.

 

[sunapple]

If I was into doing renders, I would consider doing a hockey puck shaped, all glass, iPhone O.

Googling ‘iPhone Round’ does result in a render like that. Not sure why they would release a round phone before a round Watch but okay

 

[AngerDanger]

The SE is not coming back. Time for the SE cult members to focus on something else.

I really don't know why people state this as though it's fact. Apple's first attempt at a lower cost iPhone, the 5C, was released in 2013. In 2016, it was replaced with the SE. It's 2019 and entirely possible Apple will pop an upgraded processor in the existing chassis and call it a day (at the very least).

The last iPad mini was released earlier than the SE, and there are rumors circulating that it will be updated as well; same with the iPod touch. The mini, touch, and SE all serve as excellent low-cost gateways into Apple's ecosystem.

I also don't know what the point of telling people to focus on something else is. Dunno about you, but vaguely hoping a tech company releases an updated phone requires little focus. Maybe I'm just good at multitasking.

 

[12vElectronics]

There will never be another iPhone SE.

 

[eyoungren]

I also don't know what the point of telling people to focus on something else is. Dunno about you, but vaguely hoping a tech company releases an updated phone requires little focus. Maybe I'm just good at multitasking.

For the same reason that the floppy drive on Macs is not coming back, the optical drive on MBA's is not coming back and the headphone jack is not coming back.

When Apple discontinues a product or element it doesn't return. There have been exceptions, but those are extremely rare and what came back was not exactly the same thing.

The iPhone SE is not the 5C. Apple discontinued the 5C and the SE does not have a plastic case. So, it's not the same thing. If and when Apple decides to introduce another smaller form factor iPhone it won't be an SE2, it will be an entirely new product.
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And, on topic, while I doubt that Apple will produce an iPhone SE 2, I deeply regret that, as it was one of the finest (and best designed and ergonomic) phones that they had ever produced.

I do not disagree with your assessment of the iPhone SE. My son has one and I have liked the design since it was introduced. My only quibble is that Apple never made a plus size version of it. The fact that the camera is flush on the back is appealing to me. In my opinion, the SE is the design that the iPhone 6 and 6+ should have taken.

But there is a certain group of SE fans here on the forums that reject the larger phones and unrealistically (in my opinion) hope for a successor to the SE.

As you and others have stated that's unlikely to happen.

These are the same people that filled MR with threads about the iPhone 4/4S form factor when the iPhone 5 was introduced. When the 6 series came along their voice increased, despite the fact that Apple was not going to release another iPhone in the form factor of the 4/4s.

When the SE came out most of them jumped on it, despite it being the form factor of the iPhone 5 that they were upset about previously.

They are a vocal minority. I don't mean that negatively, and I know you count yourself as part of this group. But the fact is that the market for phones has changed and those who like the smaller form factors are a minority in the market. And they are vocal about their lack of options - on MR at least.

The problem is that this group refuses to accept that Apple won't release a followup device. Now I know that you've accepted that, but a lot of them have not and they raise threads here on MR grasping at any straw they can that supports their wish.

It's unrealistic.

 

[AngerDanger]

For the same reason that the floppy drive on Macs is not coming back, the optical drive on MBA's is not coming back and the headphone jack is not coming back.

There's no "coming back"; Apple still sells a 4" iPod touch and has been clearing out remaining inventory of the current SE.

When Apple discontinues a product or element it doesn't return. There have been exceptions, but those are extremely rare and what came back was not exactly the same thing.

They don't return… but there are exceptions? I don't know how to say this without coming across like an *******, but that's pretty vapid. It doesn't rain on Earth, but there are exceptions, and when it does rain, it's not always in the same places.

The iPhone SE is not the 5C. Apple discontinued the 5C and the SE does not have a plastic case. So, it's not the same thing. If and when Apple decides to introduce another smaller form factor iPhone it won't be an SE2, it will be an entirely new product.

Obviously, we don't know what Apple's future products will be called explicity, but it's sort of an understanding that any 4" phone released by Apple will be the next incarnation of the SE. And, yes, the SE isn't the 5C; I was using them as examples of low cost iPhones released sort of far apart.

Your explanation seems based on the same speculation that others' are, and you even admitted that there are rare exceptions, so I still don't know why people state it as fact. I'll concede that my use of the word SE to mean any low cost 4" phone might've been ambiguous.

 

[JPack]

I really don't know why people state this as though it's fact. Apple's first attempt at a lower cost iPhone, the 5C, was released in 2013. In 2016, it was replaced with the SE. It's 2019 and entirely possible Apple will pop an upgraded processor in the existing chassis and call it a day (at the very least).

The last iPad mini was released earlier than the SE, and there are rumors circulating that it will be updated as well; same with the iPod touch. The mini, touch, and SE all serve as excellent low-cost gateways into Apple's ecosystem.

I also don't know what the point of telling people to focus on something else is. Dunno about you, but vaguely hoping a tech company releases an updated phone requires little focus. Maybe I'm just good at multitasking.

When the 5c was discontinued, Apple replaced it with the 5s. The 5s became the free phone with a carrier contract. The SE replaced the 5s.

The iPad mini series was never discontinued and remains on sale today.

The iPhone SE has been discontinued completely with no replacement. It’s pretty obvious there will be no 4-inch model again.

 

[maerz001]

For the same reason that the floppy drive on Macs is not coming back, the optical drive on MBA's is not coming back and the headphone jack is not coming back.

When Apple discontinues a product or element it doesn't return. There have been exceptions, but those are extremely rare and what came back was not exactly the same thing.

The iPhone SE is not the 5C. Apple discontinued the 5C and the SE does not have a plastic case. So, it's not the same thing. If and when Apple decides to introduce another smaller form factor iPhone it won't be an SE2, it will be an entirely new product.
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I do not disagree with your assessment of the iPhone SE. My son has one and I have liked the design since it was introduced. My only quibble is that Apple never made a plus size version of it. The fact that the camera is flush on the back is appealing to me. In my opinion, the SE is the design that the iPhone 6 and 6+ should have taken.

But there is a certain group of SE fans here on the forums that reject the larger phones and unrealistically (in my opinion) hope for a successor to the SE.

As you and others have stated that's unlikely to happen.

These are the same people that filled MR with threads about the iPhone 4/4S form factor when the iPhone 5 was introduced. When the 6 series came along their voice increased, despite the fact that Apple was not going to release another iPhone in the form factor of the 4/4s.

When the SE came out most of them jumped on it, despite it being the form factor of the iPhone 5 that they were upset about previously.

They are a vocal minority. I don't mean that negatively, and I know you count yourself as part of this group. But the fact is that the market for phones has changed and those who like the smaller form factors are a minority in the market. And they are vocal about their lack of options - on MR at least.

The problem is that this group refuses to accept that Apple won't release a followup device. Now I know that you've accepted that, but a lot of them have not and they raise threads here on MR grasping at any straw they can that supports their wish.

It's unrealistic.

Imho most users writing SE2 just use this as a synonym for a new small form factor iphone.
If the new product then will be called SE2, Mini, 9 or whatever doesn’t interest much

 

[eyoungren]

There's no "coming back"; Apple still sells a 4" iPod touch and has been clearing out remaining inventory of the current SE.


They don't return… but there are exceptions? I don't know how to say this without coming across like an *******, but that's pretty vapid. It doesn't rain on Earth, but there are exceptions, and when it does rain, it's not always in the same places.


Obviously, we don't know what Apple's future products will be called explicity, but it's sort of an understanding that any 4" phone released by Apple will be the next incarnation of the SE. And, yes, the SE isn't the 5C; I was using them as examples of low cost iPhones released sort of far apart.

Your explanation seems based on the same speculation that others' are, and you even admitted that there are rare exceptions, so I still don't know why people state it as fact. I'll concede that my use of the word SE to mean any low cost 4" phone might've been ambiguous.

I made my statement about exceptions to cover my ass. Someone around here would have pointed out to me that Steve Jobs brought back spring-loaded folders and labels in OS X because of the outcry about it (because of it being in OS 9).

That happened because of extreme pressure. There have been other forms of extreme pressure on Apple, the outcry over the iMac with no floppy drive for instance. But Apple never caved on that.

So, 'exceptions' have to be pressured, but meet some sort of internal standard at Apple for it to occur.

But they do occur, and I cited an example. Without mentioning that, someone here would have pointed it out to me.

 

[EM2013]

Don’t believe everything you read online.