Whatever it's called, it's the irrational wish that it will occur soon or very soon that is unrealistic to expect.
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iPhone SE (2016) New SE2 Rumor?
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Spot on assessment. SE was discontinued, apple has never brought a product back that has been discontinued in the past so it would be highly unusual for them to do a 180. I’m not saying Apple won’t release a small form factor phone in the future, just saying it wont be called an SE..
I've said in a number of threads, but I'll say it here, too: I would sell my X the day my preorder got here for this phone: same physical size as the SE/5s with a full screen front and current day internals. That would be awesome.
If Apple were to come out with a SE2 with the current day internals, I doubt it would be cheaper than the XR. If anything I don’t think Apple would like a SE2 to screw up the sales from the XR/XS/XS Max and whatever they release in 2019. In order for it to not mess up those sales, the SE2 would more than likely have to be packed with old internals and I don’t know about screen to screen like the X series. The current size notch would be huge on a 4” screen. There would be no room on either side for the time, etc.
To be honest, the X isn’t even all that big as people are making it out to be, and this is coming from someone who used the 6+ and 7+ before the X in 2017. I currently still have my 5S and side by side the X isn’t that much bigger. I use my device one handed 80% of the day and have no issues pocketing it even with a case on it.
To be honest, the X isn’t even all that big as people are making it out to be, and this is coming from someone who used the 6+ and 7+ before the X in 2017. I currently still have my 5S and side by side the X isn’t that much bigger. I use my device one handed 80% of the day and have no issues pocketing it even with a case on it.
I’m in the same boat as OP. While I’d prefer the 4” screen size (or smaller) for true one-handed use, I’d take something like the render over a bigger phone any day.
Googling ‘iPhone Round’ does result in a render like that. Not sure why they would release a round phone before a round Watch but okay
People like to do renders. If you can ignore other tradeoffs that companies might need to do with current technology, you can get anything.
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For new sales, the 5s took the 5c place. But both the 5c and the 5s came out the same time.
The 5c really took the place traditionally taken by the previous top model (the 5). In my mind, probably because the early state of LTE in iPhones. The 5 really didn't carry many bands, so only selling it for 1 year made sense since the 5c supported additional LTE bands.
The Xr is more like the 5c. Instead of selling the X another year, it was replaced by the Xr. A model designed to be less expensive, but added tech. Also, now, there is still the 8/8+ that Apple could sell another year at a lower price point.
The term you used was “cult members”. If you google that term, you would have to scroll for a long time through crazy cult links before you find anything referring to cult following or cult classic, if ever. In other words, the common understanding of that term is simply not how you intended it. It is understood by most to mean “crazies”.
I believe you when you say that’s not how you meant it, but then you misspoke and without clarification, the reactions were only natural.
People disagree how slim the chance is, but I wouldn’t say anyone here thinks there’s a good chance to the point of expecting it.
I'd agree, except that threads keep popping up whenever there is the slightest suggestion that it might be possible.
If I were to make a render of an 'iPhone' showing the return of the headphone jack and the appropriate form factor, open a Wordpress blog and make a post about it there would be someone here that would create a thread about it. Just because they want it to be true. Of course it would be based on nothing more than what I just mentioned. But that's enough.
It's the same mentality that keeps the headphone jack and the TouchID groups here on MR posting threads long after Apple removed those things.
I agree what Maflynn mentioned prior. Apple is completely unpredictable, and we don’t know what they will do. If the SE is re-introduced, it obviously won’t look anything like it does now, and Apple would move away from touch ID, a 4 inch display, 3.5 Jack and it would probably be somewhat larger, retain a different iPhone title perhaps, and include Face ID. But what really others want to see, is still something that is ‘Pocketable’, that was the whole point of emphasis for the SE for those who were interested in purchasing it, they didn’t care about the latest ‘tech specs’, they wanted something in a smaller form factor that wasn’t cumbersome and large as these other phones are today.
I hadn't thought about the notch shrinking before. I updated a mockup I did, scaling the XS down to the SE size, which makes the SE slightly wider to keep the same aspect ratio, but I left the notch the same size. There's still plenty of room to include some additional information on either side, but yeah, they could go straight across, though Apple hates asymmetry. At this point, the notch is a design feature, and since there's still some usable space on either size, I'm OK keeping it.
It might be more beneficial to base your renders on iPhone XR with its Liquid Retina LCD display. It has more bezels compared to X/XS/XS Max. I don't think we will ever see OLED display in the next gen iPhone SE. Although, I would definitely pay the premium to have OLED on the iPhone SE2I hadn't thought about the notch shrinking before. I updated a mockup I did, scaling the XS down to the SE size, which makes the SE slightly wider to keep the same aspect ratio, but I left the notch the same size. There's still plenty of room to include some additional information on either side, but yeah, they could go straight across, though Apple hates asymmetry. At this point, the notch is a design feature, and since there's still some usable space on either size, I'm OK keeping it.
It might be more beneficial to base your renders on iPhone XR with its Liquid Retina LCD display. It has more bezels compared to X/XS/XS Max. I don't think we will ever see OLED display in the next gen iPhone SE. Although, I would definitely pay the premium to have OLED on the iPhone SE2
Good point. I was mainly doing it to see what maintaining the screen ratio would do for the width of the SE when matching the height. So in that sense, even with thicker bezels that would be about the same — unless the Xr is wildly different aspect ratio than the XS?
I hadn't thought about the notch shrinking before. I updated a mockup I did, scaling the XS down to the SE size, which makes the SE slightly wider to keep the same aspect ratio, but I left the notch the same size. There's still plenty of room to include some additional information on either side, but yeah, they could go straight across, though Apple hates asymmetry. At this point, the notch is a design feature, and since there's still some usable space on either size, I'm OK keeping it.
The problem is more than that. The TrueDepth module is thick and can’t be in the same position as the rear camera. The SE and Face ID would be a physical impossibility with the current size of the components.
There’s a reason why Apple went for vertical rear cameras on the X.
You’re referencing the mock-up the OP links to in this thread?
I’m just addressing the feasibility, which as you point out, is possible if Apple goes with a vertical rear camera orientation, something else I hadn’t considered before.
I really hope there’s something new eventually that is sub XS size.
I love my SE, but it of course won’t last forever.
I love my SE, but it of course won’t last forever.
Yeah, but this is no different from those of us who still want a reasonably priced desktop Mac with upgradeable internals. There's no way that's going to happen, but we still keep hoping...
Short memory around here. Smaller notch rumored as early as this year. Current width of the ears could be maintained on a smaller screen.
https://www.macrumors.com/2019/01/07/2019-iphones-smaller-truedepth-camera-notch/
The XR line (rumored to go OLED soon) could be expanded to include a smaller version that is somewhere in between SE and 6/7/8 size overall and most SE fans would be completely satisfied. It wouldn’t even have to be cheaper than the 6.1” model, but I’m guessing it’d be $50 less or so. Bring it on, Apple.
I refuse to believe that there is zero chance something like this happens. Anything is possible, especially if Apple considers further differentiating models by which region of the world they’re aimed at.
https://www.macrumors.com/2019/01/07/2019-iphones-smaller-truedepth-camera-notch/
The XR line (rumored to go OLED soon) could be expanded to include a smaller version that is somewhere in between SE and 6/7/8 size overall and most SE fans would be completely satisfied. It wouldn’t even have to be cheaper than the 6.1” model, but I’m guessing it’d be $50 less or so. Bring it on, Apple.
I refuse to believe that there is zero chance something like this happens. Anything is possible, especially if Apple considers further differentiating models by which region of the world they’re aimed at.
You must live an amazingly privileged life if the greatest outrage you have, and insist on dedicating time to argue over, is someone using the term “cult” on a forum filled with fanboys.
Truly, what a blessed existence you must have to allow for such petty, fabricated sensitivity over something so obviously innocuous.
He never experienced sales numbers as high as they do today. This is about filling a hole in their lineup, a hole in the entire smartphone industry. Preferences have leaned towards larger phones but ergonomics don’t change. This won’t be the most popular model but it will satisfy a large enough group of people to justify their efforts if they’ll make it.
Anything smaller than iPhone X doesn't seem possible with the current size of the components. The photo below gives you an idea of how closely packed the TrueDepth module is next to the rear camera.
Even if the notch were made smaller, the hardware sensors still exist behind the OLED panel and would push up against the rear camera.
This is the real issue here. If, and it’s a big if, there’s another SE, I don’t think we’ll see iPhone X components, or a notch. We’ll see the same exact frame, slightly bumped components, and that’s it.
Seems like Apple could find a way around that. Using a single camera is the most likely response for a "budget" small phone, perhaps the smaller screen allows for a smaller battery (as a percentage of internal volume vs. the pictured X), relocate some other stuff, technological advances allow for smaller versions of existing components, etc. They can make some room.