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Nexus 4 annihilated by iPhone 5 in a variety of benchmarks
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The HTC One X uses a dual core S4. BTW its 1800 mah battery sucked during first reviews, but later greatly improved with a software update.
The LG Optimus does indeed have the same innards as the Nexus 4, including battery. That suggests battery performance ought to be similar between the two. Here's what The Verge posted on the Optimus G battery:
TheVerge said:
Note that they rated the Optimus battery a 8, while the Nexus 4 got a 9 (from different reviewers though). Given the identical hardware, if there is a discrepancy between battery duration, it's likely due to the software -something that can be patched.
Also, those benchmarks from the OP were posted on forums ~a week ago. Must have been a review unit and could not have been the final build.
Lol, so you dont know what it means but your starting a thread on it anyways? Benchmarks only matter to geeks because they really dot mean much else. Besides, thise same scores that keep getting posted from that site were done before the final version os. I only care how quickly things load and if it is a second behind or ahead of another phone... Who cares as long as it isnt slow and the battery is good. I love my GS3 but dont like the screen in the sunlight. Otherwise it is fast, screen is big and works and looks great in doors and has a good battrry regardless of a benchmark.
And as I stated, thermal throttling on a pre-released unit. He posted the update yesterday, but the phone and testing was done pre-release. The results are still off because the testing is heavily javascript based. This pretty much sums everything up, direct from your link:
The last sentence being key.
And finally,
Benchmarks are great, for tech geeks, but the consumer word of mouth is what makes or breaks a phone. Ever wonder why the iphone 4S had declining sales figures the 9 months before the release of the iphone 5 or why we have seen Apple stock tank $200 a share since the iphone 5's release or why the Nexus 7, S3 and Note II (and now it seems the Nexus 4) have been selling like crazy? Word of mouth is powerful.
I have no doubt that a 5 is faster then an N4. But who cares at this point? Things that use true processing power like emulators are a JB option on iOS. Gran Turismo is a little laggy on my Xoom but its too much work for my iPad to even bother with to compare, which is impossible on iOS 6 anyway.
I don't need more power with my iPhone I need a more powerful OS to utilize that superior power!!
I'm on a 4S and its disappointing nothing can slow it down. I may have a reason to upgrade if there was.
So YAY an idevice that can't utilize its potential is faster in a benchmark!!
Btw here's a benchmark for you to show how useful they are.
Linpack on my 4S
Linpack after an APP update on my 4S
Same phone same test but different versions of the app....
EDIT: Been forever since I ran it so here's linpak in 6.0.1
I don't need more power with my iPhone I need a more powerful OS to utilize that superior power!!
I'm on a 4S and its disappointing nothing can slow it down. I may have a reason to upgrade if there was.
So YAY an idevice that can't utilize its potential is faster in a benchmark!!
Btw here's a benchmark for you to show how useful they are.
Linpack on my 4S
Linpack after an APP update on my 4S
Same phone same test but different versions of the app....
EDIT: Been forever since I ran it so here's linpak in 6.0.1
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The 4S Stopped selling 3 months, not 9 months. It actually increased in sales.
As a semi-professional investor, AAPL's drop has next to nothing to do with the iPhone. It's the hedge fund managers taking their profits, and running back to a safer stock - like CVS or Walmart - if we go off the "fiscal cliff" come January, the tech sector will DIE.
The n7 has sold less than the iPad Mini, and it's been on sale since the summer, the S3 is being outsold by the iPhone FAMILY 2 to 1 (yes, yes, it sold more than the 4S -.-) And the N4 sold about 600K units. Superb.
iPhone 5 sold that in 30 seconds (I kid you not) at 3AM. That's all google was willing to make available, because they make less than 4 dollars in profit for each unit, not taking into account returns, warranty, shipping, etc.
I remember when all that mattered was this:
Cheers of:
Then we had this turn up and the chest thumping was premature:
Now we have this:
I'm guessing Geekbench doesn't matter now?
The 4S Stopped selling 3 months, not 9 months. It actually increased in sales.
As a semi-professional investor, AAPL's drop has next to nothing to do with the iPhone. It's the hedge fund managers taking their profits, and running back to a safer stock - like CVS or Walmart - if we go off the "fiscal cliff" come January, the tech sector will DIE.
The n7 has sold less than the iPad Mini, and it's been on sale since the summer, the S3 is being outsold by the iPhone FAMILY 2 to 1 (yes, yes, it sold more than the 4S -.-) And the N4 sold about 600K units. Superb.
You really think Google makes less then 4 dollars per unit by putting an Android device in the hands of a consumer? Day trading is fun but stick to your day job.
The 4S Stopped selling 3 months, not 9 months. It actually increased in sales.
As a semi-professional investor, AAPL's drop has next to nothing to do with the iPhone. It's the hedge fund managers taking their profits, and running back to a safer stock - like CVS or Walmart - if we go off the "fiscal cliff" come January, the tech sector will DIE.
The n7 has sold less than the iPad Mini, and it's been on sale since the summer, the S3 is being outsold by the iPhone FAMILY 2 to 1 (yes, yes, it sold more than the 4S -.-) And the N4 sold about 600K units. Superb.
Sources for the N4 sales?
This "Fiscal Cliff" is whats going to happen once the 2 party system freezes our budgets again. If they don't have a budget by Jan 1, taxes will go up over 20% for everyone (Upper, middle and lower), 450 BILLION dollars will be cut from the spending budget, with about 3 MILLION government jobs cut or reduced - it's going to be a mess.
And no one cares. We had to have Obama... and now we have this mess.
Obama is REFUSING to sign any budget that doesn't give more money to unions taken from hardworking Middle and Upper class entrepreneurs in the form of higher payroll taxes. Not the "1%" tax - payroll taxes. So let's see - want to have more jobs in america, makes it 20% more expensive to hire someone. ****ing BRILLIANT!!
PS - I voted and supported Obama - and I feel duped.
You think this is the first time this govt has passed a budget on time? I have worked in govt through the last 5 Presidents. Every single time I have heard the sky is falling, we won't get paid, it is all the democrats / republicans stalling, taxes are gonna skyrocket, yada yada.
Every time, a miracle happens and a budget has passed. You know why? No senator or sitting President wants to explain why our military forces haven't been paid, especially when we have troops in combat. It will mean the end of their career. So, we see a lot of posturing and chest thumping, the occasional budget extension, but in the end everything is passed.
I have been in this game for too long.
And you might want to look at iphone sales over the last 3 quarters. What you stated is completely wrong.
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The 4S Stopped selling 3 months, not 9 months. It actually increased in sales.
As a semi-professional investor, AAPL's drop has next to nothing to do with the iPhone. It's the hedge fund managers taking their profits, and running back to a safer stock - like CVS or Walmart - if we go off the "fiscal cliff" come January, the tech sector will DIE.
The n7 has sold less than the iPad Mini, and it's been on sale since the summer, the S3 is being outsold by the iPhone FAMILY 2 to 1 (yes, yes, it sold more than the 4S -.-) And the N4 sold about 600K units. Superb.
Sorry, wanted to quote this for posterity.
If Apple makes a better device, then more power to them. At this point, I don't think you can say that. The Android phones seem to have more features, and the size and quality of the displays can't be ignored.
I applaud Apple for helping to push the envelope along. I definitely prefer android, but I can appreciate Cupertino's efforts
I applaud Apple for helping to push the envelope along. I definitely prefer android, but I can appreciate Cupertino's efforts
I agree, big thanks to apple to make the push but now they can go back to thr trailer park
Oh, is this part of those set of reviews that people have already been talking about for weeks in which the review units were not the final hardware OR software? Where it has already been shown that these benchmarks are way under what they should be and that the shipped units drastically out perform the phone on which these tests were based?
This has been covered in depth pretty much all over the tech sites for the last week and this sub forum.
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Yay! Someone who knows what they are talking about!!!
I thought those Anandtech initial N4 benchmarks were wrong.
See here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1977708
See here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1977708
They were! But what makes you think iOS fanboys are going to let facts and reality get in the way of their argument?
They were! But what makes you think iOS fanboys are going to let facts and reality get in the way of their argument?
Wait, what?
The initial benchmarks for the GPU seem to have stood but improved when put in a freezer. Not exactly earth shattering improvements, regardless. The other browser benchmarks didn't change as far as I know. I don't think any reviewers ran Geekbench so we can't compare.
Also, where are you getting the idea that the hardware wasn't final? I only saw this "fact" pop up here today when the benchmarks weren't great. Did anybody confirm this as it doesn't really make sense when the phone was released shortly after the reviews.
EDIT: Just want to point out that benchmarks aren't all that important. Experience is more important. It sounds like the Nexus 4 user experience is very nice.
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You think this is the first time this govt has passed a budget on time? I have worked in govt through the last 5 Presidents. Every single time I have heard the sky is falling, we won't get paid, it is all the democrats / republicans stalling, taxes are gonna skyrocket, yada yada.
That right there is what's wrong with our government - last minute patches because insiders like you guys (no offense) keep stalling, knowing that the other side will cave at the alst second.
Every time, a miracle happens and a budget has passed. You know why? No senator or sitting President wants to explain why our military forces haven't been paid, especially when we have troops in combat. It will mean the end of their career. So, we see a lot of posturing and chest thumping, the occasional budget extension, but in the end everything is passed.
I have been in this game for too long.
I don't know what you could do then... leave? I hear you guys have good pensions.
And you might want to look at iphone sales over the last 3 quarters. What you stated is completely wrong.
I'll just leave this here, buddy.
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You really think Google makes less then 4 dollars per unit by putting an Android device in the hands of a consumer? Day trading is fun but stick to your day job.
On device sales - 4 dollars is optimistic. They make money from knowing where you are at every second of every day, reading your email, reading your texts, etc to target you better for ads.
It's not a bad thing, of course, as the phone costs only 300... Sell your soul much? lol
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Check Geekbench's update history. Has only been updated for taller screens, not the new A6 Chip. The n4 isn't A15 AFAIK - so any updates would just be chip drivers. The a6 is really an A15-hybrid of sorts - it's an A9 with more instructions specifically set up for iOS (so in fact better than A15 for most purposes), built on a smaller process -
If GB ever updates for the A6 support - it's over buddy. Also, the N4 cheats, horribly. It overclocks itself for burst periods to look good in benchmarks. If you look at the longer benchmarks like sunspider10x (10x the length of sunspider) it gets KILLED.
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On device sales - 4 dollars is optimistic. They make money from knowing where you are at every second of every day, reading your email, reading your texts, etc to target you better for ads.
It's not a bad thing, of course, as the phone costs only 300... Sell your soul much? lol
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Check Geekbench's update history. Has only been updated for taller screens, not the new A6 Chip. The n4 isn't A15 AFAIK - so any updates would just be chip drivers. The a6 is really an A15-hybrid of sorts - it's an A9 with more instructions specifically set up for iOS (so in fact better than A15 for most purposes), built on a smaller process -
If GB ever updates for the A6 support - it's over buddy. Also, the N4 cheats, horribly. It overclocks itself for burst periods to look good in benchmarks. If you look at the longer benchmarks like sunspider10x (10x the length of sunspider) it gets KILLED.
As a self proclaimed "day trader" you don't seem to understand the definition of a "Quarter", when Q1 begins or how many "3 quarters" are? Why would you put a chart up that only goes to Q1 2012, when I specifically said the iphone has been sinking the past 3? Would it be because it refutes your belief that the iphone is the only phone people want or should be allowed to buy? As if variety and choice is a bad thing? Here is the chart showing Q1 through Q4 of 2012. Interestingly enough, sales of Samsung smartphones have been double what Apple has sold over the last 2 quarters. Additionally, the S3 had been out just a quarter and a half and had more sales than all iphones combined in Q4. Add to that a stock dump of nearly $200 a share in just a couple of weeks and analysts are scrambling making bold predictions of 50million+ sales of iphones this quarter. And when Apple only sells 30 million and misses those predictions, watch another huge stock nose dive. Analysts screw Apple all the time. I guess they are able to short the stock at the perfect times and making a killing through manipulation. Doesn't seem fair or legal.
Anyway, the full chart. See how big of a dive Apple had in Q2-Q4?
I doubt those initial Anandtech benchmarks were even close to correct. The benchmarks I have seen on other devices with the same Snapdragon S4 Pro SOC are way better.
It's not the first time Ive seen that site give great marks to an iPhone and poor marks for an Android device only latter to see completley different benchmarks for the same device on other tech sites. It makes me very suspicious.
It's not the first time Ive seen that site give great marks to an iPhone and poor marks for an Android device only latter to see completley different benchmarks for the same device on other tech sites. It makes me very suspicious.