This is true! Benchmarks are definitely not hugely relevant when the user experience is fluid. I was just discussing them because it was brought up.
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Nexus 4 annihilated by iPhone 5 in a variety of benchmarks
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This is true! Benchmarks are definitely not hugely relevant when the user experience is fluid. I was just discussing them because it was brought up.
This is true! Benchmarks are definitely not hugely relevant when the user experience is fluid. I was just discussing them because it was brought up.
Yea, but are you only going to go by Andatech and none of the others that had much higher socres? Ive said this a few times that i dont care about benchmarks and even when i read them i dont even know what they mean. No idea what it means by an Egypt benchmark....and dont care!
My GS3 isnt tops on those scores but it runs just fine for me and is quick and itjust got JB 4.1.1 that supports LTE so when T-Mobile gets LTE next year...ill have a ready phone,...if i keep it when i get a N4...which im sure i will.
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Benchmarks are meant to measure the performance of different devices while keeping as much as possible the same with other devices its compared against.
The fact is they made a claim that the iphone 5 is faster than the Nexus 4 without mentioning the browser differences, it is missleading. They didn't say anything about the browsers in the benchmark comparison in there comments, they just said look iphone 5 is faster for browsing in there comment under the benchmark. Everyone including the OP now believes the iphone 5 is twice as fast for browsing than the N4 which is completely due to there missleading way they published the results.
Frankly , you cannot compare the iphone 5 and N4 in a sunspider test when they run different browsers. I could publish a result that says the N4(with a different browser) is faster than iphone 5 - means absolutely nothing. You can only compare it to other Android phones running the same browser
Benchmarks are meant to measure the performance of different devices while keeping as much as possible the same with other devices its compared against.
The fact is they made a claim that the iphone 5 is faster than the Nexus 4 without mentioning the browser differences, it is missleading. They didn't say anything about the browsers in the benchmark comparison in there comments, they just said look iphone 5 is faster for browsing in there comment under the benchmark. Everyone including the OP now believes the iphone 5 is twice as fast for browsing than the N4 which is completely due to there missleading way they published the results.
Frankly , you cannot compare the iphone 5 and N4 in a sunspider test when they run different browsers. I could publish a result that says the N4(with a different browser) is faster than iphone 5 - means absolutely nothing. You can only compare it to other Android phones running the same browser
I call ******** on the iphone 5 battery life, if it have the same battery 4s theres no way it have that runtime ! Specially with LTE; if it does (and i will only trust from someone i know personally and i have a idea of hes usage) means apple booby trap ios6 in the 4 and 4s.
Yeah, I was a bit surprised they did that. I don't really follow their reviews too much but I had always heard that their reviews are very technical which the Nexus 4 one was for the most part, but the way they did some of the benchmarks seemed fishy.
Anandtech is the only one who has run a full suite of these benchmarks. Other reviewers who ran the same tests got similar results as Anandtech (e.g. Engadget). There are no higher scores using the same tests (e.g. same browser + test), as far as I know.
Yes, you want to test and compare devices in as similar a fashion as possible. Anandtech compared the stock browser on Android (Chrome) against the stock browser on iOS (Safari).
Anandtech didn't even mention the iPhone 5 when discussing the benchmarks, so I've got no clue where you're getting the idea that they said the iPhone 5 is faster.
No one is saying this is the only benchmark that matters. It's just a comparison between two stock devices. It's on Google that their browser isn't as fast as the competition. Just like when the iPhone falls behind (which I think it did on one or two of the web benchmarks) in a benchmark it's on Apple.
I now have my N4 and speed is not a concern whatsoever.
That said what benchmark can be used to measure Siri going into lala land--maybe she will understand, maybe she won't--when Google Now immediately translated and served up the answer or completed the request?
Michael
That said what benchmark can be used to measure Siri going into lala land--maybe she will understand, maybe she won't--when Google Now immediately translated and served up the answer or completed the request?
Michael
Anandtech list the iphone 5 against the N4 in the benchmark results with no mention of the browser differences. You can only conclude the iphone 5 is faster even thought that's incorrect. Its not on Google that there browser is slower, its up to Anandtech to be upfront about the differences , why did they not run the sunspider test with a different browser and say the N4 is faster, remember Android doesn't lock you into a browser like IOS more or less does. It's a simple matter of Anandtech not being upfront and clesar with there benchmaqrk reporting, if they were, this thread wouldn't exist .
They also go on and make the following statement which is outrageously missleading.
"SunSpider performance is good, but not significantly better than Qualcomm's Krait based Snapdragon S4. Both the iPhone 5 and RAZR i are able to outperform the Nexus 10. The S4 Pro based Nexus 4 tends to be in line with other S4 based devices - SunSpider doesn't really give much credit to the extra 2 cores."
ie The iphone is faster than the N10 , they make no mention of the browser differences do they, just say one device is faster than the other - if thats not missleading , then what is.
They also go on and make the following statement which is outrageously missleading.
"SunSpider performance is good, but not significantly better than Qualcomm's Krait based Snapdragon S4. Both the iPhone 5 and RAZR i are able to outperform the Nexus 10. The S4 Pro based Nexus 4 tends to be in line with other S4 based devices - SunSpider doesn't really give much credit to the extra 2 cores."
ie The iphone is faster than the N10 , they make no mention of the browser differences do they, just say one device is faster than the other - if thats not missleading , then what is.
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Sorry, I was looking at the full review. Forgot all about the performance preview.
Regardless, it's obvious they are talking about the SunSpider test in that remark.
They also say this when talking about a different benchmark:
"Nexus 10 manages to outperform the RAZR i by 34%, and compared to the A6/Swift based iPhone 5 the advantage grows to 64%."
Does that mean they're saying that the Nexus 10 is 64% faster than the iPhone 5? No, of course not. They're talking about the results of the benchmark.
They're comparing the stock browsers on the devices in performance. You may not like that Google isn't making use of all the available power, but that's not on Anandtech.
Regardless, it's obvious they are talking about the SunSpider test in that remark.
They also say this when talking about a different benchmark:
"Nexus 10 manages to outperform the RAZR i by 34%, and compared to the A6/Swift based iPhone 5 the advantage grows to 64%."
Does that mean they're saying that the Nexus 10 is 64% faster than the iPhone 5? No, of course not. They're talking about the results of the benchmark.
They're comparing the stock browsers on the devices in performance. You may not like that Google isn't making use of all the available power, but that's not on Anandtech.
It's all about representation, they make no mention of the browser differences and just say one device is faster than the other. No matter which way you look at it , the statement is missleading, if it wasn't , this thread wouldn't exist.
It's that simple
I'm not sure who would find it misleading. I would assume that all benchmarks would be done with the stock applications, such as the browser, unless noted otherwise.
They say one device is faster than the other for each test that they perform. They don't say it's the penultimate result for the device. They tell you the results of their test.
I'm not sure why this thread wouldn't exist if they had made it super clear that they were different browsers. They compared the performance of two stock devices and the iPhone was faster in this case.
EDIT: I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I feel Anandtech's testing methodology is pretty straight forward: stock devices, stock browser for web benchmarks. They compare the performance between the two devices as they ship. It's the fairest way to compare, I'd think.
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How many people in the 110 posts above mentioned the browser difference as the reason for the speed difference in Sunspider. Looks like 110 posters were misslead as a start..
Not many people know that the chrome browser is slower than the Safari browser -thats if you were able to derive the browsers from - "stock browser". If you don't mention that and just compare two devices running these two different browsers then say one device is faster than the other. Everyone will assume that device is faster and not think about the browser. It was up to Anandtech to be upfront about this , especially as they knew this is a major factor.
It is only one benchmark , but its a major one, were talking about browsing which is the most used function .
As I said , it's about representation.
Not many people know that the chrome browser is slower than the Safari browser -thats if you were able to derive the browsers from - "stock browser". If you don't mention that and just compare two devices running these two different browsers then say one device is faster than the other. Everyone will assume that device is faster and not think about the browser. It was up to Anandtech to be upfront about this , especially as they knew this is a major factor.
It is only one benchmark , but its a major one, were talking about browsing which is the most used function .
As I said , it's about representation.
How were they misleading? They ran benchmarks and showed the results in a reasonable manner. They didn't do anything to optimize either devices score.
No one brought it up because it's pointless. The iPhone scored higher with its stock browser over the Nexus' stock browser. Seems like a pretty reasonable comparison to me.
As well, they specifically point out that Google has work to do on Chrome optimization for Android, so it's not as if they pretend that Chrome is perfect and it all falls on the device.
No one brought it up because it's pointless. The iPhone scored higher with its stock browser over the Nexus' stock browser. Seems like a pretty reasonable comparison to me.
As well, they specifically point out that Google has work to do on Chrome optimization for Android, so it's not as if they pretend that Chrome is perfect and it all falls on the device.
Yeah, I'm never going to agree it's misleading. I can't agree that testing two stock devices and posting the results is somehow wrong.
Oh well, upwards and onwards!
Oh well, upwards and onwards!
Yeah but who can actually get one at the retail price? Google blew their product launch big time and if you want to buy one of these and have it sometime in the next few months you'll have to either buy from a carrier or from eBay at a huge markup.
A low retail price doesn't mean much when there's no way to buy it at that price.
That's just the product launch. Once they're back in stock, they'll continue to sell at the same price. In fact, Nexus 7 is selling for even cheaper than before.
LOL, you act like they arent going to get any more of them. C-mon man you have seen this happen w/ Apple before. They will get more.
The other thread got closed for "cleaning" people need to stop abusing the report thing lol if you can handle the argument/forum then walk away !
people need to stop abusing the report thing lol if you can handle the argument/forum then walk away !... reading your last couple of posts is giving me a headache =/
In my experience, my iP4 would last me roughly a day and a half for my usage. My GNex would last me a day or less, I would have to be generous w/ the usage. iP5 on LTE lasts me several days w/ the same usage across all the devices.
Anandtech's review on the iP5 battery life on LTE is significantly improved from previous generations, but results varied when on 3G. While on LTE, iP5 was drawing power for less periods, helping boost its battery life. Nothing to do with iOS, everything to do with design and hardware.
That said, as one owner said it is much improved from the GNex, and I think that counts in a big way!
These is my problem with reviews "test"
4s 9hrs+ on 3g:
4s 10hrs+ on wifi:
BUT now whe see these reviews with the iphone 5:
Over wifi:
With cellular data:
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My usage with only tapatalk over 3g and the little browsing for these pictures:
Ands that why i dont give a damm about reviews.
4s 9hrs+ on 3g:
4s 10hrs+ on wifi:
BUT now whe see these reviews with the iphone 5:
Over wifi:
With cellular data:
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My usage with only tapatalk over 3g and the little browsing for these pictures:
Ands that why i dont give a damm about reviews.
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Maybe this would actually mean something had you actually read the review text. You would have found that the test methodology changed.
Notice that the second series of tests has AT Smartphone Bench 2013 in the title.
Maybe this would actually mean something had you actually read the review text. You would have found that the test methodology changed.
Notice that the second series of tests has AT Smartphone Bench 2013 in the title.
Then that would mean these tests are not reliable. What if the test methodology changes when the iPhone 5s comes out?