Cell phone cameras will kill off the point and shoots, but not a real dslr. For the most part people with a cell phone camera don't care about taking the perfect photo. They just want something to post to Facebook.
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I agree, but I would think that middle ground between cell phones and DSLR's is MUCH more populated by cell phone users. A DSLR is huge, even the new compact ones are still a lot to carry with you. Even a regular slim camera is too much if you have nice slacks on and already have a cell phone and wallet in them.
I think a LOT of people do care about decent photos. Maybe not poster size prints, but I've found you can get a decent 5x7 out of a good iphone pic. I also think it's better to have a just ok picture than no picture at all, ie: at least you always have a camera on you.
We need to get away from specs and really concentrate on making cell phone cameras more viable. That's a real world use, where other things like 64bit or having the latest quad core processor just seem like so much marketing hype.
While my first smartphone was an Android device, after switching to iPhone I never looked back... until now. If I were in the market to upgrade today, pretty sure I'd pull the trigger on the Nexus 5. In fact, even though I don't NEED a smartphone upgrade now, I'm not sure I can resist it...
I've noticed a lot of mainly Android users who seem to misunderstand the appeal of iOS, as if somehow you'd have to be tech unsaavy to use it. My job, for example, involves programming and configuring Linux systems.... yet on my phone/tablet, I want elegance, simplicity, great design, buttery smoothness and efficiency. I don't want a bazillion options cluttering it all up. I want the design pros to show me a few very well thought through options rather than insisting I know better than a team of experts in multiple fields who united and researched how to solve the issues I might encounter from every angle.
Finally with the Nexus 5 & Kit Kat, I feel these things that attract me to iPhones and iOS coming together on Android, and the device looks beautiful. Combined with the price, not sure I'll ever be willing to plunk down +$500 again on a smartphone.
I've noticed a lot of mainly Android users who seem to misunderstand the appeal of iOS, as if somehow you'd have to be tech unsaavy to use it. My job, for example, involves programming and configuring Linux systems.... yet on my phone/tablet, I want elegance, simplicity, great design, buttery smoothness and efficiency. I don't want a bazillion options cluttering it all up. I want the design pros to show me a few very well thought through options rather than insisting I know better than a team of experts in multiple fields who united and researched how to solve the issues I might encounter from every angle.
Finally with the Nexus 5 & Kit Kat, I feel these things that attract me to iPhones and iOS coming together on Android, and the device looks beautiful. Combined with the price, not sure I'll ever be willing to plunk down +$500 again on a smartphone.
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The more I use my Nexus 5, the more I see how unpolished Android 4.4 is. Here are just a few examples.
In landscape if you go into your recent apps, the first one is cut off.
The button to use the gyroscope when viewing photospheres is severely pixelated.
The lock icon on the lock screen gets cut off despite a "transparent" navigation bar.
These are just a few examples. There are some other ones relating to the menu bar and notifications. But little things like these would never make it into a shipping version of iOS.
In landscape if you go into your recent apps, the first one is cut off.
The button to use the gyroscope when viewing photospheres is severely pixelated.
The lock icon on the lock screen gets cut off despite a "transparent" navigation bar.
These are just a few examples. There are some other ones relating to the menu bar and notifications. But little things like these would never make it into a shipping version of iOS.
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iOS7 and calendar design are subjective. The things I brought up are completely objective. I also find it funny that constantly when around Android users, if you point out something wrong with Android, they ignore it and try and shift blame to Apple. Never fails.
Yes, and particularly funny since your first sentence quoted proves that the exact opposite is equally true. Arguing by using broad, sweeping generalisations, with expressions like "never" and "never fails", is an example of precisely the kind of ignorance you're accusing others of.
IOS 7 when first shipped had plenty of bugs of varying degrees of severity, from the "little thing" to the one in my picture (of which I have experienced many) to bigger things like anyone being able to bypass your lockscreen and accessing your photos. And you know it. The most irritating one for me, which still persists in 7.0.3 on my 4S, is that I usually have to log out and back in to App Store about three times before I can complete the purchase and download of a new app.
Android and iOS both have their kinks, neither of them will ever become perfect. Only when we've firstly accepted that can any sort of worthwhile comparison take place.
Here we go again. Trying to ignore Androids problems and just focus on Apple bashing. You do know this thread is about Android, not iOS, right? You know the title of the thread includes dislikes and notes about the new version of Android right? I guess I missed the part of the thread title that mentioned we should be talking about iOS.
I've come across those images as well. I find it funny that Google released a new 1080p phone but didn't even bother to make all the graphics for that resolution. The Nexus program is starting to turn into an Android beta program.
You should get used to it. You mention anything even slightly negative about Google around here and people get personally offended and feel the need to start Apple-bashing. It's what like 75% of threads turn in to. Don't ever expect an unbiased, on topic thread.
You should get used to it. You mention anything even slightly negative about Google around here and people get personally offended and feel the need to start Apple-bashing. It's what like 75% of threads turn in to. Don't ever expect an unbiased, on topic thread.
I don't like how with Google Now if I am in my car using navigation, I can't say "Okay Google, cancel navigation" to end it. It just does a Google search for "cancel navigation."
I also tried saying play a certain song by a certain Artist that I had on Google Music and it just did a Google search for it. It did the search for the correct song name and Artist name, so it definitely understood me.
My biggest issues are probably with Google Now and it's inconsistencies. Visual problems like the 3 images posted earlier are definitely problems that should be fixed, but functionality problems take priority in my book.
I also tried saying play a certain song by a certain Artist that I had on Google Music and it just did a Google search for it. It did the search for the correct song name and Artist name, so it definitely understood me.
My biggest issues are probably with Google Now and it's inconsistencies. Visual problems like the 3 images posted earlier are definitely problems that should be fixed, but functionality problems take priority in my book.
I'm just saying that iOS 7 wasn't perfect when it shipped to the public compared to other iOS versions.
I'm sorry, but it was you yourself who brought up iOS, with this:
All I did was point out that your statement is false. If it's not, then how come Apple have released four patches containing fixes to flaws in the release version of iOS 7? The comparison with Android 4.4 will become totally useless unless it is at least grounded in reality.
Obviously KitKat has it's flaws, and I too think that bugs like the lockscreen thing you pointed out are rather embarrassing. But if you're going to resort to yelling "apple bashing" as soon as someone points out that iOS 7 isn't perfect either, then there's not much chance of having any sort of constructive discussion whatsoever.
FYI I love iOS 7 myself and have gone back to using it on a daily basis after several months with an Android phone, so I have no reason whatsoever to be slamming Apple just for the sake of it. All I'm insterested in is keeping the discussion real, because that is what will help make both operating systems better.
My post was clearly about issues with Android. If it wasn't for your comments it wouldn't have turned into an off topic Apple-bash. It doesn't get any simpler than that.
If you take a step back and think about this logically, iOS 7 had a major redesign. For the sake of argument, lets say Apple changed 100 visual aspects. If they did 100, lets say Google changed 5 with Kit Kat. It only makes sense that iOS 7 has more initial issues because of the sheer amount of changes. But the total percentage of issues could still have the potential to be heavily skewed towards Google.
Back in perspective, iOS 7 was a huge visual change. Some issues are expected.
Android 4.4 Kit Kat is a minor upgrade. Go up to an average user. Give them a Nexus 4 running 4.3. Then give them a Nexus 4 running 4.4. They may only notice a couple things. Different settings icon, camera icon, and white menu bar icons. Ok cool. Other than that, it all looks the same. The fact that there was so little visual change in Kit Kat and still has these issues tells you something about Google's lack of polish.
A proper comparison would be comparing this to iOS 6, as that is more of an iterative update much like 4.4.
We need to compare like terms here. You guys really aren't comparing apples to apples. Why compare a huge design overhaul to a little iterative update? It just isn't a fair comparison.
It seems you're being selective in the changes you are acknowledging in 4.4. There were several visual changes in 4.4 such as changes in some app icons, transparency on the home screen, color in the notification panel, new font on lock screen, some changes to the settings menu, etc.
In addition to the visual changes, there were other more pronounced changes, for example: the elimination of the messages app (and it being combined with Hangouts), a completely new dialer with completely new functionality, Google Now being integrated into the home screen, widgets being removed from the app drawer, full wallpaper preview page, Keep being a system app now, Tap and Pay functionality built into the OS (allowing virtually any NFC-capable phone to use it), Quick Office being built-in, new keyboard, cloud printing, new keyboard
While I wouldn't call 4.4 a major upgrade, I wouldn't call iOS 7 a major one either.
Yes, your post clearly was regarding issues with Android. However, you brought up and compared it to iOS so don't act surprised if iOS is brought up in response. Had you just stated your issues with android without praising iOS in the process, comparisons would not have been made.
Simple logic. Hand someone an iPhone on iOS 6 then one on iOS 7. Then hand them a phone on Android 4.3, then one on 4.4. They will easily be able to tell you which one is a larger visual difference.
You can bring up tap to pay, Quick office, NFC, and all that. Ok, cool. That is not being disputed. Functionality is not a topic of discussion in the debate someone else brought up. They simply brought up visual aspects. Again, functionality was never an issue.
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Ok. That doesn't conflict with what was already said. But thanks...?
Noone tried to "shift the blame to Apple". I'm not saying those flaws in 4.4 aren't a problem, I make that quite clear just a few posts down. All I did was - very specifically - refute his claim that Apple never ships a new iOS version with such flaws:
I did so because it is simply, objectively false. The release version of iOS 7 had plenty of little flaws. If you disagree - please explain your reasoning behind it.
This was then referred to repeatedly as "apple bashing" by both of you. How am I bashing Apple here, please? And why would you conclude that I was, seeing as I also refer to another of my posts where I outright praise iOS 7?
"Apple bashing", "trolling", "fanboyism" - it's always those cheap shots that steer a thread off to the kindergarten level. Why not just offer a reasonable counter-argument instead?
My whole point is - OK, so there are a few nasty things in Android 4.4. But there were plenty of them in iOS 7 too. Google needs to fix their ugly spots - just like Apple are fixing theirs. What's the big difference?
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Likes: pretty much everything.
Dislikes:
- Battery could be better
- Microphone might be sub par (still testing).
Other than that, after eighteen months with a Samsung S3, I think s.Planner is better than Google calander (Samsung handles to-do/tasks pretty well). Surprisingly, I find I miss a couple things Samsung does. For example, if I'm reading a text message on my (well, now Dad's) S3, I can simply hold the phone to me ear to start a call. Touch Wiz is bloated, but not all bad.
Edit: Oh, I like the right swipe to get Google Now, in its own home screen. I like the wireless charging without an additional jacket/cover. I generally like pure Android vs the others.
Dislikes:
- Battery could be better
- Microphone might be sub par (still testing).
Other than that, after eighteen months with a Samsung S3, I think s.Planner is better than Google calander (Samsung handles to-do/tasks pretty well). Surprisingly, I find I miss a couple things Samsung does. For example, if I'm reading a text message on my (well, now Dad's) S3, I can simply hold the phone to me ear to start a call. Touch Wiz is bloated, but not all bad.
Edit: Oh, I like the right swipe to get Google Now, in its own home screen. I like the wireless charging without an additional jacket/cover. I generally like pure Android vs the others.
I just got so confused because I thought I clicked on the nexus 5 thread, but instead I was in the done with iOS7 thread.... wait nope this is right...
Come on people I want to read about the nexus 5 while I am, impatiently, waiting for mine to get here.
Come on people I want to read about the nexus 5 while I am, impatiently, waiting for mine to get here.