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blackhand1001

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If it's a 4 (non S) it's a HUGE upgrade. iOS7 barely runs on a vanilla 4, plus you get Siri which I absolutely love.

I had a nexus 5 and a 5s for a while so I can compare the 2. The screen on the N5 is beautiful, no way around that. But iOS is polished to the max in terms of functionality, everything just works where on Android you will constantly be finding these little turds of disfunctionality (is that a word?). For me I needed a phone/personal assistant first, and a gaming/internet browser second so I chose the iphone. But if your needs are more screen centric then I wouldn't blame you for getting the N5.

Another factor to consider is the camera on the ip5s is much nicer, it's nicer in low light, and it's a LOT nicer in terms of catching moving images. The N5 was pretty useless with anything moving, like my toddler, but otherwise it shot great pics, but that was a dealbreaker for me. Also low speaker volume on the N5 wasn't appealing. The hope is that both of these will be addressed with a software update by google.

The software update for the camera began rolling out yesterday and people say the camera is top notch now. The focusing issue is gone now as is the blurring issue.
 

fr4c

macrumors 65816
Jul 27, 2007
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Hamster wheel
The software update for the camera began rolling out yesterday and people say the camera is top notch now. The focusing issue is gone now as is the blurring issue.

Top notch? Far from it. But definitely improvements in certain aspects as compared to 4.4.
 

Menneisyys2

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Jun 7, 2011
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IMHO it's pointless to compare a definitely non-high end and comparatively cheap phone (N5) to the 5s.

I myself would choose the 5s of the two but that's only because it's high-end. From between the Note 3 and the 5s, I'd already go for the former, the Note 3.
 

spinedoc77

macrumors G4
Jun 11, 2009
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The software update for the camera began rolling out yesterday and people say the camera is top notch now. The focusing issue is gone now as is the blurring issue.

I'm excited to see reviews. I also read anecdotally that the update helped the speaker volume also.
 

0dev

macrumors 68040
Dec 22, 2009
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I have my complaints about iOS, but stability has never been one of them.

Just pitching in to say this is true even on my iPhone 4. It's slow as **** but it's still stable even on three year old hardware.

On the other hand my S4 super fast but the OS certainly isn't as solid as iOS. I don't have many force closes or anything but no matter what ROM I'm on, official or custom, they all have their own little bugs. I've found this to be a consistent theme throughout Android in general, perhaps with the exception of the Nexus devices.
 

OhHaiThere

macrumors regular
Sep 8, 2011
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IMHO it's pointless to compare a definitely non-high end and comparatively cheap phone (N5) to the 5s.

The N5 is cheap on price but not in what it offers. It is a high end phone. I don't know what you're talking about or what your definition of "high end" is. Maybe you can elaborate?

From AnandTech:
On paper, the Nexus 5 should be the fastest in the Android landscape, since in terms of silicon it has the bleeding edge of what’s available right now.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7517/google-nexus-5-review/4
 

Menneisyys2

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It has an awesome camera. The issue with it is the software, which they've updated and currently rolling out.

Well, in late 2013, I'd expect at least 1080p60 video recording in a high-end device - as does, for example, the (outside the US; I'm referring to unlocked prices) only slightly more expensive LG G2. The Note 3, in addition, also records 4K and 720p120 videos. (And its 4K mode is absolutely fantastic.)

As long as a phone released in late 2013 doesn't support those video modes, it just can't be called high-end - at least not when it comes to the camera.
 

OhHaiThere

macrumors regular
Sep 8, 2011
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Well, in late 2013, I'd expect at least 1080p60 video recording in a high-end device - as does, for example, the (outside the US; I'm referring to unlocked prices) only slightly more expensive LG G2. The Note 3, in addition, also records 4K and 720p120 videos. (And its 4K mode is absolutely fantastic.)

As long as a phone released in late 2013 doesn't support those video modes, it just can't be called high-end - at least not when it comes to the camera.

N5 does have 1080p60... but I guess because the software doesn't support 4k recording it's not a high end device in your book. That means the majority of the $600+ phones aren't high-end, including the Apple flagship iPhone 5S.

I think your definition of high-end is a bit different from the industry, but you're allowed to believe anything you want. Respectfully, I disagree.
 

Menneisyys2

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N5 does have 1080p60

Are you sure? All the online specs state it's 30p only; see e.g. http://www.compare-cellphones.org/LG-G2-vs-LG-Nexus-5 or http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/LG-G2,Google-Nexus-5/phones/7969,8148

... but I guess because the software doesn't support 4k recording it's not a high end device in your book.

Well, for us non-US residents, for whom the N5 is significantly more expensive than in the States and only a little bit cheaper than the LG g2 or even the Note 3, I don't see much point in going for the N5 and not the G2 or the Note3. Those are high-end devices. The N5 is only better in two areas:

- guaranteed OS upgrades
- SlimPort HDMI out vs. MHL
- Qi (albeit you can put a Qi battery cover on the Note3)

That means the majority of the $600+ phones aren't high-end, including the Apple flagship iPhone 5S.

iPhones are totally different animals and can't really be compared to Android devices. If one needs an iPhone, then, he only has three models to choose from, all of them being significantly less featureful than current Android flagships, particularly the Note 3. (See for example my just-posted, loooooong list of what I really miss from the 5s and already present in Android / WP8.)

However, WRT Android, I really don't see the point in choosing a N5 over a Note3, asuming similar prices. (Again, for us Europeans the N5 is much more expensive than in the US.) This is why I called the N5 a worse buy than the Note3 or the G2.
 

Vegastouch

macrumors 603
Jul 12, 2008
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There might be hardware revision as well: newer batches are apparently shipping with larger speaker holes on the bottom.

That isnt going to help much. IMO the holes arent that small now. My GS3 speaker is much louder and the opening isnt that big. They(Google) can just make it louder.

Samsung has a number code you put in with the keypad and you can adjust the volume levels yourself, though i didnt need to with the S3 but i did with my S1. You just have to know what the code is. The volume level is set by the software.

Would be nice if there was a known code to input on the N5 as well to fix it ourselves.
 

JC17

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Oct 8, 2013
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However, WRT Android, I really don't see the point in choosing a N5 over a Note3, asuming similar prices. (Again, for us Europeans the N5 is much more expensive than in the US.) This is why I called the N5 a worse buy than the Note3 or the G2.

The N5 is £300 less than the Note 3 in the UK
 

Menneisyys2

macrumors 603
Jun 7, 2011
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The N5 is £300 less than the Note 3 in the UK

Because you can buy it directly from Google. A lot of other European countries can't, which does result in higher prices.

For example, in Finland (no Nexus 5 in the Play Store), it starts at 419 euros:

http://hintaseuranta.fi/tuote/lg-nexus-5-puhelin/1751258?ref=hakuehdotus

while the Note 3 starts at 569 euros (incl. postage):

http://hintaseuranta.fi/tuote/samsung-galaxy-note-iii-3-puhelin/1627361?ref=hakuehdotus

The difference is only 150 euros - that is, less than half of yours. Given that the difference is so little, I don't think many would go for the N5 and not for the Note 3.
 

WilliamBateman

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Nov 7, 2013
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neither. moto x. a smartphone that has technology that is actually up to date for 2013.

By "up to date for 2013" you mean a 2011 processor and display? I think you are confusing features for technology. Even at that, the features like active display and voice controls are cool but aren't revolutionary.
 

OhHaiThere

macrumors regular
Sep 8, 2011
143
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Well, for us non-US residents, for whom the N5 is significantly more expensive than in the States and only a little bit cheaper than the LG g2 or even the Note 3, I don't see much point in going for the N5 and not the G2 or the Note3. Those are high-end devices. The N5 is only better in two areas:

- guaranteed OS upgrades
- SlimPort HDMI out vs. MHL
- Qi (albeit you can put a Qi battery cover on the Note3)

Alright, I'm back... so it looks like you've switched your argument now. Here's what you said earlier:

IMHO it's pointless to compare a definitely non-high end and comparatively cheap phone (N5) to the 5s.

I myself would choose the 5s of the two but that's only because it's high-end. From between the Note 3 and the 5s, I'd already go for the former, the Note 3.

To which I said that the N5 is a high-end phone.

You said it's not high end because it doesn't support 4k video, based on which definition the 5S is also not a high-end phone.

The conclusion is self-evident...
 

Menneisyys2

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If your definition of high end relies on having an awesome camera, would that make the Lumia 1020 one of the highest end phones out there?

Camera-wise, definitely THE best (not taking the 808 into account), albeit, if you need video, the Note 3 can be a better choice.

Otherwise, the 1020 has a pretty dated hardware and, just like iOS, a closed-garden OS.

All in all, personally, I wouldn't buy it. Waiting for the next Nokia imaging flagship with up-to-date hardware.

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To which I said that the N5 is a high-end phone.

You said it's not high end because it doesn't support 4k video, based on which definition the 5S is also not a high-end phone.
Again:

- if you need Android, then, the Note 3 / LG G2 is definitely a better choice than the N5, as long as you don't need Qi (again, which is possible with the Note3), SlimPort or frequent and prompt OS upgrades.

- iOS phones are entirely different animals. I personally don't prefer iOS to Android / Symbian but I do need to admit that there are some games (e.g., Spectromancer) that don;t exist on Android. Also, for the tech-unsavvy folks (Apple's main target people), iOS devices can be the easiest to learn / operate as they're made to be overly simple. All in all, if you absolutely need iOS, then, you'll need to accept it simply doesn't have the goodies current Android / WP handsets have. Nevertheless, as long as iOS-only devices are concerned, the 5s is a high-end phone.
 
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