Nexus 7 experience really poor compared to mini

[powerbooks]

I think widgets are self explanitory, maybe android isnt for people who are confused by widgets?

I don't know if you realized Mac OS also contains widgets.......

The point is Android widgets is a mess! I download one weather app, but bundled with at least six widget arrangements. Do we really need that many? For android it may be needed because so many different screen size!

 

[palpatine]

Don't you just love people who pull out these numbers out of their ass? Other than the first number quoted is correct, all the other numbers are pure fantasy.

Sadly, even the first number was wrong. Apple dis not sell over 3 million iPad Minis. It sold over 3 million iPads over the weekend. I'd say it was mostly Mini sales, but strangely, Apple is not saying.

 

[Dlanod]

Totally agree with the above. I plan on buying a Mini, just waiting for the next refresh hopefully with a better screen and processor.

Right - so you think the Mini that hasn't been released yet is better than the Nexus 7 that has. It's funny isn't that an unreleased tablet is always going to be better than on that has. So you'll be buying a tablet when exactly - using this logic that would be never.

 

[Random 995K]

The Nexus 7 lags so much i couldn't even use my friends one for more than a few minutes before it started crashing on everything i opened. The ipad mini is definitely worth the extra $100.

 

[Dlanod]

The Nexus 7 lags so much i couldn't even use my friends one for more than a few minutes before it started crashing on everything i opened. The ipad mini is definitely worth the extra $100.

You must have had a dodgy one. Mine is pretty snappy across all apps. Not quite as fast as my 4th gen iPad but still pretty good. And great for typing on. Perfect size - I found the Mini just a fraction too wide.

 

[Hpye]

Everyone's "experience" is relative, there is no universal measurement.

For instance, using my stock N7 I can run the utorrent app, download some TV shows, and watch them using the VLC app. That's not an experience possible with the mini.

Conversely, I prefer the pay-version Scrabble app on the mini vs. the ads-based version on the N7.

Each has its benefits to me.

Utorrent?, android is for pirates

 

[roxxette]

Utorrent?, android is for pirates

Whe got a SOPA supporter here ! j/k

 

[gquiring]

Nexus 7 vs iPad Mini facts

Over 3 million and counting Minis have been sold in under a week. how many Nexus 7s has google sold? not even a million.

Estimated returns of the ipad mini in it's lifetime (5 years) - 3-5%
Estimated returns of the Google Nexus 7 in it's lifetime (5 years) - 75%

Amount of applications optimised for a tablet interface on android? less than 10%

User experience ratings of the N7? under 50% Of the iPad mini? 98%!

Suck it up google. Apple IS the market. Just scrap your failed nexus program and we will all be happier without having to gawp at a sub-standard product.

Facts? The fact is your post is 100% false. For starters they are selling 1 million Nexus 7's per month. Your other numbers are just as inaccurate. Amazing how some will lie just to be an Apple fan. If you like Apple more that's fine, but don't post BS.

I own an iPad 2, 3 and iPhone 4. I recently retired my iPhone 4 for Galaxy S3 and bought a Nexus 7 last month. I think Apple had a good reason to try and shut Samsung down with all those lawsuits, Samsung is clear threat to Apple. I am so impressed with my Nexus 7 I am going to retire my iPad 3 in the coming months for a larger Android tablet.

 

[weas]

****It's designed by engineers and that's exactly how it behaves.****
.

The problem of android is exactly that. It seems that people from android forget what customers are. I only know a profile of people who would pick an android tablet over an iPad in a second: just graduated computer engineering students who are eager to put their hands on some free code they can play with.
A normal customer just wants it to be simple, smoth and EASY

 

[Rodster]

Facts? The fact is your post is 100% false. For starters they are selling 1 million Nexus 7's per month. Your other numbers are just as inaccurate. Amazing how some will lie just to be an Apple fan. If you like Apple more that's fine, but don't post BS.

I own an iPad 2, 3 and iPhone 4. I recently retired my iPhone 4 for Galaxy S3 and bought a Nexus 7 last month. I think Apple had a good reason to try and shut Samsung down with all those lawsuits, Samsung is clear threat to Apple. I am so impressed with my Nexus 7 I am going to retire my iPad 3 in the coming months for a larger Android tablet.

Yup the N7 is a fabulous product and I own one, well deserved of the praise it's gotten. Some of these post in this thread you could have sworn it was Tim Cook's mother who wrote them.

 

[marc11]

The Nexus 7 lags so much i couldn't even use my friends one for more than a few minutes before it started crashing on everything i opened. The ipad mini is definitely worth the extra $100.

That is such a load of crap that it is so obvious you pulled it out of your butt. Really, I wish I could drop such a dump in the morning, I too would feel much better.

----------

I don't know if you realized Mac OS also contains widgets.......

The point is Android widgets is a mess! I download one weather app, but bundled with at least six widget arrangements. Do we really need that many? For android it may be needed because so many different screen size!

Yes, you do need that many, its called choice. You do not need to USE all six, but I like choice. Apple gives you ONE choice, NONE or its way, period. As for OSX widgets, come on they are a joke. Most written years ago and not updated, only available on one screen, not where you would like them and they are often limited. Having 10 wigets all on one screen, yeah thats helpful...Face it, the Android implmentation of widgets, desktops and notification center is far better then iOS and OSX at the moment.

----------

 

[palpatine]

The problem of android is exactly that. It seems that people from android forget what customers are. I only know a profile of people who would pick an android tablet over an iPad in a second: just graduated computer engineering students who are eager to put their hands on some free code they can play with.
A normal customer just wants it to be simple, smoth and EASY

Nice stereotype, but a million of these are sold each day, so I am thinking there are not that many computer engineers out there. I don't know if you have ever used Android, but it is amazingly simple. In some ways it is even easier to use than the iPad. As I recall, I couldn't even use my iPad until I had downloaded iTunes and plugged the thing into my computer. The Nexus 7 worked right out of the box.

 

[marc11]

Nice stereotype, but a million of these are sold each day, so I am thinking there are not that many computer engineers out there. I don't know if you have ever used Android, but it is amazingly simple. In some ways it is even easier to use than the iPad. As I recall, I couldn't even use my iPad until I had downloaded iTunes and plugged the thing into my computer. The Nexus 7 worked right out of the box.

The problem with most people and Android is they pick up someone elses device which has been customized by that person to work how they want, and then the person testing the device cannot fiqure it out. So they assume its crap. If they would go to a store or pick up an "out of the box" device they would see how simple it is and over a few hours once fully customized to THAT persons desired use, realize the power and ease of use.

Just picking up any old Android device that someone else has set up is not a true indication of the OS and that is a key difference with iOS, every iOS device is 100% the same. Sure, maybe the folder are different, and oh my, maybe they are on different pages, but unless jailbroken, you can be sure you will find the stupid Newstand app on one of the screens, and you will see folders and icons and swiping right will always bring up the search screen and any device running the same iOS version.

Android is different, each device for each user is custom to THAT users preferences.

 

[jsw]

Android is different, each device for each user is custom to THAT users preferences.

This is exactly right.

Also, arguably most Android devices probably look a lot like they did out of the box because most users aren't going to do much - in the same way that most iPhone users never put apps in folders or change many other settings. So, for most devices, if you've used one of that model, you can use any of them. The main difference is that there are so many Android variants.

That said, I think the variations are starting to dwindle. 4.1/4.2 is an excellent OS and very competitive with and arguably better than iOS 6. I hope it takes off, because the best way to have a better iOS 7 is to have a better Android fighting against it.

 

[palpatine]

The problem with most people ...

I don't know about most people, but in my experience, the "intuitive" iOS and "geeky" Android stereotypes are not borne out in practice. I've known plenty of people who have had trouble with iOS, and plenty of people who have trouble with Android. I don't think customizability is an issue.

According to sales numbers and phone activations, more people may have familiarity with Android (through the phones) than with iOS. Whatever the actual numbers, in the end it means a lot of people are quite comfortable with either system, and it isn't a big deal. Jelly Bean, in particular, is extremely user friendly.

 

[marc11]

I don't know about most people, but in my experience, the "intuitive" iOS and "geeky" Android stereotypes are not borne out in practice. I've known plenty of people who have had trouble with iOS, and plenty of people who have trouble with Android. I don't think customizability is an issue.

According to sales numbers and phone activations, more people may have familiarity with Android (through the phones) than with iOS. Whatever the actual numbers, in the end it means a lot of people are quite comfortable with either system, and it isn't a big deal. Jelly Bean, in particular, is extremely user friendly.

Sorry I used "most people" in a slang type of way, I should have said "people who are used to iOS and then pick up someones Android phone and find it complicated..."

 

[palpatine]

Sorry I used "most people" in a slang type of way, I should have said "people who are used to iOS and then pick up someones Android phone and find it complicated..."

Very true. But, I think it goes both ways. Android people picking up iOS fumble around on it in a painful way. The pencil icons, the "open in" icons, the hand gestures, etc. are not explained anywhere, and definitely are not intuitive. Eventually, I think everyone gets it, and it's no big deal.

There are all sorts of other factors to consider when buying a device, but at the basic level of picking it up and doing something with it, they are both about the same in my opinion. I just do not see the Android experience as a lesser one in general, or on the N7 in particular. I will say, though, that in the old days of Android (Honeycomb on back), things were very unpleasant. Android turned a corner in 2012 with Ice Cream Sandwich and Jelly Bean.

 

[Saturn1217]

I literally just checked out the ipad mini at the apple store. I've previously checked out a nexus 7 a couple times at staples. I don't have a tablet yet but I do have an I pod touch and a galaxy nexus so I'm pretty flexible although I do confess I favor android atleast for a phone os.

I think that in terms of form factor apple nailed it. 4:3 aspect ratio is definitely my preference. I loved the weight in my hand.

BUT once I tried using the ipad mini I noticed a few things that surprised me:

1) the lower resolution was immediately apparent. And I'm one of the people who thinks that the retina screen on the rMBP is a gimmick. The screen was noticably worse than my galaxy nexus which has a very questionable quality screen.

2) it was very apparent to me that i was using an interface that was intended for a larger screen. My 4.7 inch galaxy nexus is used for a lot of browsing and i found it much harder to correctly hit touch targets in safari on the ipad mini. I only tested safari but this has me very concerned about overall usability of a tablet using an interface that wasnt optimized for that size. Just something to think about that i wasn't expecting.

3) performance was not good. Android is certainly not perfect but the ipad mini was not smooth enough to warrant the price premium.

Based on what I saw (in my opinion) if you are interested in a small tablet and you are not tied to iOS then the ipad mini right now is not worth the price. I am sure that in the future apple will correct this but right now as someone who really wanted an ipad mini I was disappointed which is not how I usually feel walking out of an apple store...

 

[mantan]

I was on the fence for the Mini and rather than wait for the iPad 2 - I went ahead and got a Nexus 7.

Very early impressions.

There is a bit of a learning curve...but I think that comes with any new device, so it's not big deal. My wife's laptop died and we are considering our first Mac. The universal advice she has heard is 'there is a bit of learning curve coming from Windows, but once you get it down you won't go back.

The overall build quality seems fine. It seems like a very solid device, the textured back makes it a bit easier to hold than some Apple products when they are naked.

As much as I worried about being deep into the Apple ecosystem, 95% of the apps I use on a regular basis were available and worked just fine.

The system it self does seem a little 'sticky' in a way in that web scrolling and switching doesn't feel as smooth as an iOS device. I'm also not a huge fan of the keyboard...it doesn't seem as responsive as I'd like.

I got it mostly for business travel. I'm getting ready to head out for two back to back trips where I'll see how it holds up.

Overall the jury is still out. I see some good and some things that are not so good. But I wouldn't describe the experience as very poor.

 

[palpatine]

I literally just checked out the ipad mini at the apple store. I've previously checked out a nexus 7 a couple times at staples. I don't have a tablet yet but I do have an I pod touch and a galaxy nexus so I'm pretty flexible although I do confess I favor android atleast for a phone os.

I think that in terms of form factor apple nailed it. 4:3 aspect ratio is definitely my preference. I loved the weight in my hand.

BUT once I tried using the ipad mini I noticed a few things that surprised me:

1) the lower resolution was immediately apparent. And I'm one of the people who thinks that the retina screen on the rMBP is a gimmick. The screen was noticably worse than my galaxy nexus which has a very questionable quality screen.

2) it was very apparent to me that i was using an interface that was intended for a larger screen. My 4.7 inch galaxy nexus is used for a lot of browsing and i found it much harder to correctly hit touch targets in safari on the ipad mini. I only tested safari but this has me very concerned about overall usability of a tablet using an interface that wasnt optimized for that size. Just something to think about that i wasn't expecting.

3) performance was not good. Android is certainly not perfect but the ipad mini was not smooth enough to warrant the price premium.

Based on what I saw (in my opinion) if you are interested in a small tablet and you are not tied to iOS then the ipad mini right now is not worth the price. I am sure that in the future apple will correct this but right now as someone who really wanted an ipad mini I was disappointed which is not how I usually feel walking out of an apple store...

Yep. I know a lot of people like it on these forums, but to my eyes, it is a seriously compromised device selling at a premium price. I feel like Apple pushed it out the door to make a bit of easy money off the tweener niche market, but they aren't serious about it.

Maybe, if they had given it a retina screen (perhaps an impossibility) and/or a better processor (surely a possibility) then it could have turned heads and I don't think any of us would be on the forums even bothering to compare it to the N7 or Kindle Fire, because (like the iPad used to be) it would be in a class of its own.

I guess we'll have to wait and see how things pan out, but at any rate, the N7 is hardly "really poor compared to mini".

 

[Lara F]

The system it self does seem a little 'sticky' in a way in that web scrolling and switching doesn't feel as smooth as an iOS device. I'm also not a huge fan of the keyboard...it doesn't seem as responsive as I'd like.

Definitely test out some different keyboards if you're not liking the default - that's a major advantage of Android. Swiftkey and Swype are probably the most popular. Might not be better for you, but worth a try.

 

[roxxette]

The ipad mini is a overpriced decice, cant imagine the millions of people that forget they have to eat in order to have everything with a apple logo

J/k

 

[d123]

Facts? The fact is your post is 100% false. For starters they are selling 1 million Nexus 7's per month. Your other numbers are just as inaccurate. Amazing how some will lie just to be an Apple fan. If you like Apple more that's fine, but don't post BS.

I own an iPad 2, 3 and iPhone 4. I recently retired my iPhone 4 for Galaxy S3 and bought a Nexus 7 last month. I think Apple had a good reason to try and shut Samsung down with all those lawsuits, Samsung is clear threat to Apple. I am so impressed with my Nexus 7 I am going to retire my iPad 3 in the coming months for a larger Android tablet.

LOL

Samsung? You do realise that Samsung has nothing to do with the Nexus 7? As in, it is not a Samsung product.

Looking at the number of posts in this thread (and the innumerable and tedious soundalike threads added every 5 minutes or so), I think we should ask Admin to provide an Android or even just Nexus 7 section for all the Android/Nexus 7 owners who insist on posting about it every 5 minutes.

If they had their own section, perhaps they would be less inclined to want to post the same old thing over and over, in a section supposedly about the Apple iPad.

 

[roxxette]

Yeah the damm Nexus 7 is from Asus people, get a grip.

 

[d123]

Definitely test out some different keyboards if you're not liking the default - that's a major advantage of Android. Swiftkey and Swype are probably the most popular. Might not be better for you, but worth a try.

When I had a Nexus 7, the keyboards are almost all equally bad. The only one, with a slight improvement was Swiftkey, but even then it didn't have the preciseness of iOS devices (probably due to apple patents relating to key input).