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[doublepost=1475653947][/doublepost]You spend 1000 iPhone 7 which is iPhone 6 but crying about google been over price .
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[doublepost=1475653947][/doublepost]You spend 1000 iPhone 7 which is iPhone 6 but crying about google been over price .
You are wrong. That price was only after April that the price was changed to directly through Google. The phone had been out since September of the year before. Get your info correct before you start posting this stuff here.
Just because a phone was offered for cheaper unlocked 7 months after release for a discounted price, does not make it budget. That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. I bought mine unlocked before they had it on the Google play store for $659 a couple of months after its release. That in no way was a budget phone. That also was not from a carrier.
This isn't the nexus line. Why do we keep comparing it to that? Get over it and move on. This isn't a budget phone. It's google fully stepping into the ring.
Who cares about wireless charging and water resistance? If you need that move on.
Ois may be sorely missed...or it may not. Google showed some really stable footage using the camera. Wait for the reviews...I mean seriously.
Again, this isn't nexus so move on and get over it. Don't complain that google wants to charge a premium price, and then give Samsung and Apple a pass. The tech is there, it may not have feature x, but it has a top of the line processor, display, and possibly the best camera to date.
If I wasn't content with my ip7 plus, I'd already have preordered this phone.
Who cares about wireless charging and water resistance? If you need that move on.
Ois may be sorely missed...or it may not. Google showed some really stable footage using the camera. Wait for the reviews...I mean seriously.
Again, this isn't nexus so move on and get over it. Don't complain that google wants to charge a premium price, and then give Samsung and Apple a pass. The tech is there, it may not have feature x, but it has a top of the line processor, display, and possibly the best camera to date.
If I wasn't content with my ip7 plus, I'd already have preordered this phone.
I totally agree. Google is moving past the Nexus line whether you think that was a budget line, or you thought it developed into s budget line. This is something completely different, and it's aimed at the mainstream. The cool part is the hardcore Android vanilla android person can love this phone too.
While I think the price is really high, I think the iPhone is over priced too. That does not stop me from buying it because I think it's a great product. We don't know, but this might be that next great product for the android user.
How'd that work out back in 2011, when Google gave Verizon the exclusive carrier deal for the Galaxy Nexus ? I recall that being a major dud, sales flop at Verizon stores.
That's one phone.
It worked for the droid line, and continues to work today.
It's not like google is going to stay with Verizon. It's likely the other carriers turned down the offer, with a wait and see approach.
Verizon is better than no carrier, period.
*I'm a T-Mobile customer.
But so many of these features like wireless charging, water resistance as well as expandable storage and removable battery are always what Android users touted as benefits over Apple.
Aside from the "metaphysical" concept of a pure Android experience, fully controlled by Google, what is the compelling argument to get this? There is nothing to tempt iPhone users from iOS. As Apple starts to open up its walled garden slightly, so Google seems to be tightening things up so they are moving closer towards the middle ground.
The Pixel and iP7 are essentially the same phone, running different hardware. And no, I'm not talking just hardware design. It reminds me of when Porsche launched the Cayman. They literally made it to fit midway between the Boxster and the Carrera. In price, power, all metrics. It was a car designed in a boardroom, not the best piece of engineering that could be achieved with a budget. And the Pixel seems similar to that - designed by committee to compete directly with Apple.
VS Samsung, those features I mentioned above plus all their quirky little extras keep Galaxy S and Note users loyal.
This phone can succeed but it can't do so just on its own merits - Google needs to market the s**t out of this. When there is no logical reason to buy this phone, they must tap into the emotional. If there is no reason for people to buy this phone, they need to make people WANT this phone.
Another advantage Apple and Samsung have is lower end, cheaper devices. While no Apple product can ever be called "cheap" SE is £220 cheaper, the 6s £100. Both still have flagship level performance. Samsung has.... in fact, I don't have a clue how many phones it sells. I don't have enough fingers to count. Apple and Samsung users are incredibly loyal with a very low percentage movement across brands (88% or Apple and 86% of Samsung users when questioned said they'd stick with their current brand of phone). If Google can't snare people early on, they may not have much of a chance.
Like you said - you're happy with your iP7 Plus. So am I.
So many people calling this a "game changer" but it has changed nothing, it's just joined in with everyone else.
Yes it's true.
I've been running Nougat on both my Nexus 6P and 5X models for some time now and it's the most enjoyable smartphone experience I've had!
I'm now in the que for a Pixel XL, and very eager to take delivery. There's a lot about this great new product to get excited about and lots yet to discover.
Price isn't a deterrent, as with Apple, all flagship smartphones are expensive. To compare the two is silly, since iPhones are a a refined product that's been around for years compared to Pixel which is brand new. Oh sure it's likely the haters will say it's an extension of the Nexus line, but it's not. Pixel smartphones are a fresh new product headed in a new direction.
I'm ready to be a part of history being made by Google, it promises to be fun and educational.
Pretty much last comment I will make on these Pixel phones.
I'm dying to see 1st Qtr sales numbers on these compared to the likes of the Nexus 5 or Nexus 6P. I just see this phone being a massive flop. Nobody, I mean no one I know would spend $800 on this thing, that's just absurd.
My brother is a computer programmer, makes very good money, well into the six figures, he bought his first Nexus phone back when Google first launched the Galaxy Nexus on the Play Store back in April 2012 for $399, since then he's owned the Nexus 5, and now the Nexus 5X, I asked him about the Pixel, he LOL'd said no way would he even dare consider dropping that kind of dime on a cellphone. He asked his workers all programming geeks who also have Nexus phones and other developer friendly phones, and out of all 25 of them, not one said they will buy the Pixel, they all said no thanks at that price. And these are guys are making very good high salaries, can easily afford it without hesitation.
I thought flagship phones were in that $599 to $649 price range, not $800+ ? When did the flagship price change from $649 to $800+ ? Wasn't the HTC 10 like $600 at launch, and isn't the Galaxy S7 Edge like $650 ? And I'm not talking iPhone pricing, that's just stupid prices, any guy who would buy an iPhone outright for $1,000 U.S. is crazy IMO
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I just don't think a cellphone should be costing $800, that's insanity. I must be in the Twilight Zone, where everyone is totally cool spending $800+ on a cellphone, and is totally cool with that, WOW.
I'm dying to see 1st Qtr sales numbers on these compared to the likes of the Nexus 5 or Nexus 6P. I just see this phone being a massive flop. Nobody, I mean no one I know would spend $800 on this thing, that's just absurd.
My brother is a computer programmer, makes very good money, well into the six figures, he bought his first Nexus phone back when Google first launched the Galaxy Nexus on the Play Store back in April 2012 for $399, since then he's owned the Nexus 5, and now the Nexus 5X, I asked him about the Pixel, he LOL'd said no way would he even dare consider dropping that kind of dime on a cellphone. He asked his workers all programming geeks who also have Nexus phones and other developer friendly phones, and out of all 25 of them, not one said they will buy the Pixel, they all said no thanks at that price. And these are guys are making very good high salaries, can easily afford it without hesitation.
I thought flagship phones were in that $599 to $649 price range, not $800+ ? When did the flagship price change from $649 to $800+ ? Wasn't the HTC 10 like $600 at launch, and isn't the Galaxy S7 Edge like $650 ? And I'm not talking iPhone pricing, that's just stupid prices, any guy who would buy an iPhone outright for $1,000 U.S. is crazy IMO
.I just don't think a cellphone should be costing $800, that's insanity. I must be in the Twilight Zone, where everyone is totally cool spending $800+ on a cellphone, and is totally cool with that, WOW.
People pointing to the 2011 Nexus release on Verizon and stating how that defines the death of the Pixel on Verizon is wholly missing the point and the fact that the smartphone game has evolved in 5 years. That was one phone that WAS NOT advertised, wasn't pushed, wasn't driven to succeed. I already saw two commercials for the Pixel last night in the AL Wild Card game. I never saw a commercial for the Galaxy Nexus. If you want to compare something, might as well compare this to the iPhone only being on AT&T. That sure hurt its sales, didn't it? Guess that means this phone HAS to succeed. You couldn't use that phone on another carrier if you wanted to. At least you can use the Pixel on every carrier on pretty much every continent on earth. This is Year Zero for the Pixel. Google is going all in on their own wholly immersive ecosystem. I don't necessarily think that this phone will sell in the bajillions. But if it has a solid showing in Verizon and at the Play Store, I think this is just the first leg of the Google marathon. And I'm happy to join in the race. I've been wanting Google to step in the ring for awhile, so I'm ditching Apple and going back to an all-Google world and joining in on the fun. Hope it's a good ride.
I 100% agree with you. This is not brining me back to android, but nothing is going to. I am too invested in Apple, and because of work that is what I have to use. All that said I love what Google is doing with the Pixel. It's a phone for everyone. It's not just for the geeks, it's not just for grandpa who doesn't know how to use a smartphone, it's for everyone. The geeks can enjoy stock android and play around with it, and normal users can enjoy a solid phone that has solid software on it.
It's pricy but what isn't these days. It's on par with S7 which is between $550-$650 for a phone that has been out for several months. The XL is right with the Note which is most cases is more expensive at $880 at Att. It does vary down to under $800, but it's right there. This is a flagship, and Google wants to sell it that way. I like it.
I feel like Apple and Google have 2 very different approaches to their vertical integration.
Apple is all about end user experience and walling off users from venturing out to areas they should not be, hence better security overall and more control over the end user experience. Also, a lot of personal information seems to be localized onto the device rather than being stored in the cloud. Also, Apple's stance on security seems to be more pro consumer.
Google is all about providing a platform for consumers to explore. They have some security tape here and there, but if you want to go past it you simply jump over it. This makes the consumers more vulnerable to security exploits, but as long as the consumer is aware of what they are doing they should be okay. However, one big difference from Apple is Google collects everything we do. Their new AI works with the personal information Google collects when you use their services. I get that you agree to the collection of those services when you use their service, but for me I feel a bit uneasy at the thought that Google knows a good portion of what is going on in my day to day life. A little scary actually.
The new Pixel phones are great and will truly challenge competitors, but I think Apple and Google are building operating systems that are chasing after different fundamental goals. Apple is user experience with security/privacy and Google is all about tailored user experience with Google being central information bank. I'm excited to see what this new competition brings about in the next few years.
Apple is all about end user experience and walling off users from venturing out to areas they should not be, hence better security overall and more control over the end user experience. Also, a lot of personal information seems to be localized onto the device rather than being stored in the cloud. Also, Apple's stance on security seems to be more pro consumer.
Google is all about providing a platform for consumers to explore. They have some security tape here and there, but if you want to go past it you simply jump over it. This makes the consumers more vulnerable to security exploits, but as long as the consumer is aware of what they are doing they should be okay. However, one big difference from Apple is Google collects everything we do. Their new AI works with the personal information Google collects when you use their services. I get that you agree to the collection of those services when you use their service, but for me I feel a bit uneasy at the thought that Google knows a good portion of what is going on in my day to day life. A little scary actually.
The new Pixel phones are great and will truly challenge competitors, but I think Apple and Google are building operating systems that are chasing after different fundamental goals. Apple is user experience with security/privacy and Google is all about tailored user experience with Google being central information bank. I'm excited to see what this new competition brings about in the next few years.
Seems the Nexus line is killed off as the Android chief said.The more I read about how Google is going to treat their own hardware divisions like just another OEM,it confirms my belief even more that the Pixel and Pixel XL are just like the Microsoft Lumia 950 and 950XL except they don't run a OS with a nail in the coffin.The predecessor Nexus 6P just like the Lumia 1520 had their own unique identity everywhere amongst he plethora of phones while similarly the successors Lumia 950 and Pixel were bland and lacked a design language it's legacy he left behind.The only difference between the 2 Now being the Lumia 950 project was handled by Panos and his team only for a short time and was regarded as the transition to the rumoured Surface phone which was the real flagship Microsoft hasn't released for years.The question is will Google also do the same with the next year Pixels?
Agreed. The Pixel XL is a $600 phone at best. Really a blown opportunity for Google.Pretty much last comment I will make on these Pixel phones.
I'm dying to see 1st Qtr sales numbers on these compared to the likes of the Nexus 5 or Nexus 6P. I just see this phone being a massive flop. Nobody, I mean no one I know would spend $800 on this thing, that's just absurd.
My brother is a computer programmer, makes very good money, well into the six figures, he bought his first Nexus phone back when Google first launched the Galaxy Nexus on the Play Store back in April 2012 for $399, since then he's owned the Nexus 5, and now the Nexus 5X, I asked him about the Pixel, he LOL'd said no way would he even dare consider dropping that kind of dime on a cellphone. He asked his workers all programming geeks who also have Nexus phones and other developer friendly phones, and out of all 25 of them, not one said they will buy the Pixel, they all said no thanks at that price. And these are guys are making very good high salaries, can easily afford it without hesitation.
I thought flagship phones were in that $599 to $649 price range, not $800+ ? When did the flagship price change from $649 to $800+ ? Wasn't the HTC 10 like $600 at launch, and isn't the Galaxy S7 Edge like $650 ? And I'm not talking iPhone pricing, that's just stupid prices, any guy who would buy an iPhone outright for $1,000 U.S. is crazy IMO
I just don't think a cellphone should be costing $800, that's insanity. I must be in the Twilight Zone, where everyone is totally cool spending $800+ on a cellphone, and is totally cool with that, WOW.
Is it really just a $600 device? Why do you think it only warrants a reduced price compared the Note 7? The Note has waterproofing, and a pen. The Pixel has a better processor, better software (or at least more up to date), and maybe a better camera. The Pixel XL does lack a few things, but it makes those things up in other ways. I don't see the big deal with the price tag. People are sure willing to pay it for the Note and that phone explodes.
The problem with the $800+ price, and not in carrier stores except one.
I did a poll between extended family and friends last year. Probably like 30 to 40 different people, and I'd say 75% iPhone owners. And a lot of them are extremely successful, either Doctors, Lawyers, and Hedge Funder's, making $250k and up a year. Anyways I asked them at family parties and holidays about their smartphone use, and how they get their phones. I asked if they pay full price for the phone out of pocket, meaning the $750 or so. Their answers were all the same, every single one of them, I mean 100% of them said hell no. They all had the exact same response pretty much, they get their phone on their carrier contract, pay nothing upfront for it, or pay very little down like $99, and get it as part of their monthly cellphone bill. Every one of them said you're crazy if you'd pay $750 for a cellphone, even though it may be cheaper in the long one to do so, they all said no.
I've asked my coworkers and boss, about 20 different people, that make pretty good money, same response, they said heck no would I buy a cellphone for $700, they all get it through their carrier and as part of the monthly billing.
My point; the only way this Pixel has a chance of being successful is putting it in every carrier store, plus advertising it strongly. I know you can finance it through Google, but the average Joe Blow public won't do that,. They just want to walk into their carrier store, and leave with a new phone, all setup for them.
Putting it on Verizon only, we'll see how this plays out ?? Maybe like Apple starting off with ATT only and the iPhone originally, and eventually it got huge and on all carriers down the road. Maybe that's Google's plan ?
I did a poll between extended family and friends last year. Probably like 30 to 40 different people, and I'd say 75% iPhone owners. And a lot of them are extremely successful, either Doctors, Lawyers, and Hedge Funder's, making $250k and up a year. Anyways I asked them at family parties and holidays about their smartphone use, and how they get their phones. I asked if they pay full price for the phone out of pocket, meaning the $750 or so. Their answers were all the same, every single one of them, I mean 100% of them said hell no. They all had the exact same response pretty much, they get their phone on their carrier contract, pay nothing upfront for it, or pay very little down like $99, and get it as part of their monthly cellphone bill. Every one of them said you're crazy if you'd pay $750 for a cellphone, even though it may be cheaper in the long one to do so, they all said no.
I've asked my coworkers and boss, about 20 different people, that make pretty good money, same response, they said heck no would I buy a cellphone for $700, they all get it through their carrier and as part of the monthly billing.
My point; the only way this Pixel has a chance of being successful is putting it in every carrier store, plus advertising it strongly. I know you can finance it through Google, but the average Joe Blow public won't do that,. They just want to walk into their carrier store, and leave with a new phone, all setup for them.
Putting it on Verizon only, we'll see how this plays out ?? Maybe like Apple starting off with ATT only and the iPhone originally, and eventually it got huge and on all carriers down the road. Maybe that's Google's plan ?
You are correct even successful people won't buy a phone outright. Most of the people with that kind of money, don't spend it on things like phones that depreciate a great deal in a very short amount of time. They are very smart with their money and invest in things that appreciate over time. Their is a a reason they are in the place they are. They are very smart people.
The people that buy these phones outright are us tech folks that know the phone is cheaper to buy outright in terms of carrier cost. While most of us are not poor, we are not rich either, and care more about saving upfront on our gadgets.
The thing Google has to do, is get the word out. Financing through Google is no different then a carrier, but most won't know that. They have to keep marketing the phone (which I saw 3 Pixel commercials on Fox last night while watching tv in prime time). This is what it will take. Most people did not have a clue what Nexus phone was. People know an iPhone and Samsung phone. Why? Because they see them in on tv all the time. Let's just wait and see what this marketing can do.
Camera comparison between the pixel and iPhone 7 from phandroid. Toss up between which one is better.
Is it really just a $600 device? Why do you think it only warrants a reduced price compared the Note 7? The Note has waterproofing, and a pen. The Pixel has a better processor, better software (or at least more up to date), and maybe a better camera. The Pixel XL does lack a few things, but it makes those things up in other ways. I don't see the big deal with the price tag. People are sure willing to pay it for the Note and that phone explodes.
The note also has an sd card slot, wireless charging, iris scanner, heart rate monitor, hardware buttons (some prefer this over on screen) and a larger curved display in a smaller body (along with the water proofing and spen you mentioned plus a slightly larger battery, though its close enough to be negligible). Whether those extra features are of any importance is up to the end user, but they are there and make the Note a more bang for your buck device. And even then some were still complaining about the price, so you can see how even more will complain about the price of the pixel when it's about the same price and has less hardware features.
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Yeah, just about everyone I know is either on the monthly plans or they buy cheap phones outright ($200-$400 range). It's going to be an uphill battle, they positioned this as a high end phone for the average consumer, but won't be available to how the average consumer buys their phone. Maybe it's only a timed exclusive with Verizon and will be hitting other carriers in a couple of months?
The HTC 10 was by all accounts a great handset, but none of the carriers really supported it and it tanked.
It is already an uphill battle in the Verizon store next to the iphone and Samsung but when both of those offer water resistance as a bullet point then it is even worse. I wonder if the sales people in these stores get incentives from the different companies to push a certain phone
And a far superior build quality and innovative design.Is it really just a $600 device? Why do you think it only warrants a reduced price compared the Note 7? The Note has waterproofing, and a pen. The Pixel has a better processor, better software (or at least more up to date), and maybe a better camera. The Pixel XL does lack a few things, but it makes those things up in other ways. I don't see the big deal with the price tag. People are sure willing to pay it for the Note and that phone explodes.
And, trust me, I'm one of the people who is tired of the current iPhone design.
Is the design and implementation noticeably better than the OnePlus 3? I'm not so sure.