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spinedoc77

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I agree with you. Google had the set the price this high IMO if it ever wants to sell phones at flagship prices. Think of it like this, let's say Google made the pixel this year and the next 2 years with a price of $549. When they raise the price of the 4th gen pixel there is going to be a backlash.

Another instance is if the price for the first gen was $549. Then next year Google adds waterproofing and wireless charging and change the price to $649. There would still be a big backlash.

Its hard for consumers to buy something today at a lower price then pay a lot more for the updated version the next year.

This is all my opinion though.

I see some greed in here on Google's part. This is completely subjective and just my opinion, but I think they are double dipping here. The money they make on advertising and having all my information freely given is huge and what they base their business on, not hardware sales. So I'm basically paying close to $1k so Google can make money off of me? Yes it should be separate from the actual hardware, but it's akin to perceiving higher value for the iPhone due to their physical stores/customer service. I've always stated from the beginning that the pixel should have been a loss leader in order for Google to gain more eyeballs and help their business out. I really have trouble believing Google suddenly wants to make money from hardware sales, although I won't rule it out as a branching off strategy, but not at the expense of less people buying the phones because of the price. The only strategy that makes sense to me is that Google is positioning themselves as the leader of Android in order to save it from the horrible fragmentation which gets worse every year. If that's the case then I applaud Google, but once again they could have done that better with a lower price point.
 

bmac4

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Yeah I agree on the service part, and my perceived value is just based on the phone itself. There are other factors which increase the overall perceived value of the iPhone. I apologize for not being clear on just meaning the hardware alone. Being able to waltz into an Apple store and have any issue addressed right on the spot by someone physically in front of me and that speaks good English is definitely a big deal. I've expressed before my feeling that Google really needs to open physical stores to compete with Apple, passing the football to Verizon will end in poor sales IMO.

As for the pixel being sold out, meh. I can remember last year the 6p was sold out and impossible to get, but a few short months later they were all over swappa for $300ish, and at the end of the day I don't think they broke any sales records or sold a huge amount. It's most probably only due to constrained supply, and not demand IMO, although I haven't seen any sales numbers yet.

But good discussion, thanks for not keeping it interesting.

Yeah I completely agree with you. I think I misunderstood you the first time, so that was my bad too but I do understands where you are coming from. I think perceived value of something is one of those things that really comes down to opinion, but I will agree the Pixel may not hold the market value of the price they have them at now. We will see, but I think this is a good step for Google. Hopefully future Pixels get better, and they some day will hold that value.
 
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epicrayban

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I don't disagree with Google's strategy to price these in the premium bracket. They want to compete with Apple and to a lesser extent, Samsung. And thankfully they did since Samsung decided to give everyone an early Christmas bonus by literally removing their most competitive flagship off the map. That is a vacancy that both Apple and Google and anyone else who can get the scraps will benefit from.

What I do disagree with, though, is the lack of hardware features that this premium price point should command. Namely, waterproofing, dual speakers, and general design aesthetics.

Google wanted to focus on software in their first year debuting the Pixel lineup. Fine. But next year, there should be no excuses.
 

JaySoul

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I can see me getting a Pixel XL v2.0 next year. For me, I'd still need them to prove themselves over a full year.

Frankly, I know it sounds churlish but who is to say that the Pixel won't blow up like the Note 7? So let them justify their premium price.

I'm happy with my S7 Edge I picked up last week. That will be just fine. Then if Google release a great second iteration with maybe better speakers and waterproof (for example) then I may just give it a go.

Glad it's getting good reviews though.
 
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Lava Lamp Freak

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I don't know if I like the EIS stabilization in the videos I've seen so far. A steady shot looks good -- it eliminates hand shake. But intentional motion, to me, looks weird and jerky.

It looks very similar to the YouTube stabilizer for videos.

The dynamic range on Pixel is impressive. You can see cloud details on Pixel where there is a blown out sky on iPhone 7.
 
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mclld

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l" and the consensus is iPhone owners love it even more than Android owners."

Would the source be straight from your butt? Are you THAT guy in real life that is always pushing their personal choice on others and proclaiming the competition as crap?
 
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epicrayban

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CNET camera review versus the iPhone 7:

https://www.cnet.com/news/google-pixel-vs-iphone-7-plus-which-camera-is-better/


The winner
Let's get one thing out of the way: Both phones have -- you might say are -- impressive cameras.


If you tend to shoot portraits and that's what matters to you most, the iPhone 7 Plus is an obvious choice. Portrait mode is dSLR-esque, and we only expect it to improve by the time it gets a public release.

But if brighter colors, sharper detail throughout the backgrounds of photos and capable low-light photography is more important, it's the Pixel. I have to admit, I initially thought Google over-promised on its new flagship -- especially after those disappointing Nexus cameras -- but I was wrong. It's a new chapter for Google phones and this one earned its name.
 
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Blaze4G

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I see some greed in here on Google's part. This is completely subjective and just my opinion, but I think they are double dipping here. The money they make on advertising and having all my information freely given is huge and what they base their business on, not hardware sales. So I'm basically paying close to $1k so Google can make money off of me? Yes it should be separate from the actual hardware, but it's akin to perceiving higher value for the iPhone due to their physical stores/customer service. I've always stated from the beginning that the pixel should have been a loss leader in order for Google to gain more eyeballs and help their business out. I really have trouble believing Google suddenly wants to make money from hardware sales, although I won't rule it out as a branching off strategy, but not at the expense of less people buying the phones because of the price. The only strategy that makes sense to me is that Google is positioning themselves as the leader of Android in order to save it from the horrible fragmentation which gets worse every year. If that's the case then I applaud Google, but once again they could have done that better with a lower price point.
Good points. Makes sense. I think Google may be branching off more into hardware. Just imagine if Google could have 25-50% of Apple's success.

If you think about it, Google seems to be trying to creat2 a full ecosystem. Google home, phone, laptop OS (sort of), self driving cars.
 
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spriter

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Looks like Pixel is a legitimate option for those needing a reliable camera.

After reading / watching a load of reviews, the general verdict is it's one of, if not the, best out there - certainly for stills - depending on small personal preferences. That's a relief and impressive at the same time.

I'm less convinced about EIS which is a bit of a downer - plenty of examples of that not handling motion that well.

That said, it's good to have another viable alternative. Especially since the Note 7 left us.
 
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AustinIllini

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All the reviews I have read about the camera have said that the lack of OIS hurts the Pixel's performance in low light, but the performance in day light is on par if not better than the iPhone 7.
 

KillaMac

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CNET camera review versus the iPhone 7:

https://www.cnet.com/news/google-pixel-vs-iphone-7-plus-which-camera-is-better/


The winner
Let's get one thing out of the way: Both phones have -- you might say are -- impressive cameras.


If you tend to shoot portraits and that's what matters to you most, the iPhone 7 Plus is an obvious choice. Portrait mode is dSLR-esque, and we only expect it to improve by the time it gets a public release.

But if brighter colors, sharper detail throughout the backgrounds of photos and capable low-light photography is more important, it's the Pixel. I have to admit, I initially thought Google over-promised on its new flagship -- especially after those disappointing Nexus cameras -- but I was wrong. It's a new chapter for Google phones and this one earned its name.

Still not true colors. They did what Samsung does but not as bad. Another review dinged them on it. iPhone has more accurate colors.
 

5105973

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I don't know if I like the EIS stabilization in the videos I've seen so far. A steady shot looks good -- it eliminates hand shake. But intentional motion, to me, looks weird and jerky.

It looks very similar to the YouTube stabilizer for videos.

The dynamic range on Pixel is impressive. You can see cloud details on Pixel where there is a blown out sky on iPhone 7.
I'm disappointed because the Google rep I was in online chat with checked for me and said that the Pixel could record stereo audio for the videos. But Saf is saying that's not so. However, I think even if it is mono audio, the Pixel's mic gave the video richer sound.

I wish there was a third camera that could be a reference source. One that depicts color as close to the reality as possible, so we could determine how far each camera deviates from what the eye would have seen in person.

Still, Saf does excellent comparisons. It was in watching his videos that I learned the huge difference in sound quality between my iPhone videos and Samsung videos. I'd never compared them myself before, because Samsungs are still somewhat new to me and because I went through so much upheaval with the Note 7 returns...twice.
 
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maxsix

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iPhone has more accurate colors.
It's up for discussion. I don't believe iPhone has an advantage any longer.

I'll decide for myself upon taking delivery of my Pixel XL, then comparing it to iPhone. That's the beauty of owning a selection of models. I don't have to rely on anyone else's preferences, biases, or personal opinion.
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But if brighter colors, sharper detail throughout the backgrounds of photos and capable low-light photography is more important, it's the Pixel. I have to admit, I initially thought Google over-promised on its new flagship -- especially after those disappointing Nexus cameras -- but I was wrong. It's a new chapter for Google phones and this one earned its name.
Yes Indeed ... This Google Pixel phone is a quantum leap ahead of all others.
 

FFR

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Anything is worth whatever people are willing to pay for it, plain and simple. Trying to quantitatively compare the costs of components for phones and using that to determine value is a foolish exercise, IMO. If Google and Apple can't keep their phones in stock at these high prices, hell, maybe they're not charging enough.

Someone finds the iPhone or Pixel overpriced, that's there perogotive. My friends spend thousands of dollars on a few NFL season tickets, something I personally find ridiculously overpriced but guess what, they're not the only one buying those tickets. People are willing to pay those prices and the team sells out.

I don't know why some are claiming the pixel to be sold out.
There are plenty available in the google store, dispatched October 20.

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MRU

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I don't know why some are claiming the pixel to be sold out.
There are plenty available in the google store, dispatched October 20.

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I believe the sold out / unavailable was only in reference to the blue colour variation model I enquired earlier about.
 

MRU

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^ yep 5 countries only with India to be added later ...

Pisses me off that here we have Google HQ in Dublin.

Here we have a free boarder with the UK in Northern Ireland and yet still Google can't add Ireland to that list ? If I lived close to the border i cold simply just, walk into a CPW store across the border and purchase, or order online from store.google.com and have delivered to my address, (but sadly geo-tracking prevents me). I live the south west of Ireland so going to the North would be a 6 hour journey in the car each way.

Maddening that you have to jump through hoops in order to purchase it here.

I'm hoping my friend in Google will have some good news for me, but wouldn't be surprised if they find their hands tied (unable to purchase themselves).
 
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JaySoul

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It's downright cheap of them. I'm a little peeved about it.

Google's store says the same:


What's in the box
Pixel or Pixel XL
USB-C 18W adapter with USB-PD
USB-C to USB-C cable
USB-C to USB Standard-A plug cable
SIM tool
OTG Dongle
Safety and Warranty information
Quick start guide
Google Play Music promo card
Google Assistant card
Google Social promo card

Yeah like others said, I'm not bothered about headphones being included. They are always rubbish compared to the actual ones I would use.

Other points: Yep, SuperSaf is DOPE. Does great comparison videos.

That price still makes me cry. I got my S7 Edge last week for just £300. Total bargain. (Yes, three hundred pounds).

After that, I just look at the Pixel pricing and think hmmmmm maybe next year!
 
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bmac4

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I don't know why some are claiming the pixel to be sold out.
There are plenty available in the google store, dispatched October 20.

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The US store the only colors not sold out are the regular Pixel in silver and black, but it's a 4-5 delay.
 

KillaMac

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It's up for discussion. I don't believe iPhone has an advantage any longer.

I'll decide for myself upon taking delivery of my Pixel XL, then comparing it to iPhone. That's the beauty of owning a selection of models. I don't have to rely on anyone else's preferences, biases, or personal opinion.
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Yes Indeed ... This Google Pixel phone is a quantum leap ahead of all others.

Displaymate isn't biased. It's a fact.
 

tbayrgs

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I don't know why some are claiming the pixel to be sold out.
There are plenty available in the google store, dispatched October 20.

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Sorry, my only point of reference is the US store and the only models even available are the silver and black smaller Pixel with a 4-5 week delay. All blue and XL models can't be ordered, listed as out of stock.

I realize this also doesn't take into account supply but having demand that's greater than that supply isn't a bad thing for Google.

Update: Just noticed that my credit card was just charged for my Pixel XL overnight. Getting closer. :D
 
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