Nfc

[jamojamo]

If Apple does add NFC, it will grow in the US. Assuming the carriers allow it.

I wish Samsung would start flexing some muscle with the carriers like Apple does and start saying support our NFC implementation. There are other issues like the POS (Point of Sale, although the other meaning applies most of the time too) terminals need to be upgraded in many places.

I hope we aren't too far off in the future to see much wider NFC.

 

[Sylon]

Every time I walk in and out of my home. I have a pair of NFC tags near my front door (I could use 1, but I choose to use 2) that turns off my wifi and turns on my lock screen, and vise versa. I also have one near my Jambox speaker that turns on bluetooth and Pandora with a single tap. However, with the Nexus 4's BT issues, I rarely use that one.

 

[0dev]

Nope, never. I tried to use it to transfer files between my Nexus and a Galaxy once but I couldn't make it work and since then I just turned it off and left it. Nowhere in the UK supports using it for financial transactions either so it's literally completely useless to me.

 

[zone23]

I've used it to change the phone settings like this:

Key chain NFC Chip:

Disables WiFi
Enables Bluetooth
Enables GPS
Sets brightness to auto

Desk NFC Chip

Enables WiFi
Disables Bluetooth
Disables GPS
Sets brightness to min.

On android its all about saving battery.

 

[nickchallis92]

in a student house with galaxies all around, using S-beam to share full high-res photos of us clowning around on nights out is the easiest way

 

[jrswizzle]

I've used it to change the phone settings like this:

Key chain NFC Chip:

Disables WiFi
Enables Bluetooth
Enables GPS
Sets brightness to auto

Desk NFC Chip

Enables WiFi
Disables Bluetooth
Disables GPS
Sets brightness to min.

On android its all about saving battery.

Precisely - with my iPhone 5, I simply leave all that on all the time. No worries about draining my battery or not making it through the day.

So while this level of automation is nifty, I see it as more of a workaround to attaining good battery life by automating the monitoring of your toggles.

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in a student house with galaxies all around, using S-beam to share full high-res photos of us clowning around on nights out is the easiest way

See that's all well and good - however most of my family and friends have iPhones - so throwing up a picture on a shared photo stream is the easiest way for us.

 

[Assault]

Precisely - with my iPhone 5, I simply leave all that on all the time. No worries about draining my battery or not making it through the day.

So while this level of automation is nifty, I see it as more of a workaround to attaining good battery life by automating the monitoring of your toggles.

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See that's all well and good - however most of my family and friends have iPhones - so throwing up a picture on a shared photo stream is the easiest way for us.

I get better battery life on my S3, than any iPhone5 (which has average battery life IMO, especially for a display that doesn't even reach the 4" barrier) and I don't turn anything off. Of course, since the iPhone has such a tiny screen, lacks the sensors and hardware found in the S3, and cant do half the processes the S3 can, it isn't saying much about the iPhone. I sure wouldn't praise the iPhone's battery, considering what little it has to power, that is for sure.

 

[jrswizzle]

I get better battery life on my S3, than any iPhone5 (which has average battery life IMO, especially for a display that doesn't even reach the 4" barrier) and I don't turn anything off. Of course, since the iPhone has such a tiny screen, lacks the sensors and hardware found in the S3, and cant do half the processes the S3 can, it isn't saying much about the iPhone. I sure wouldn't praise the iPhone's battery, considering what little it has to power, that is for sure.

No comment.

 

[jamojamo]

automating the monitoring of your toggles.

Hey, this is a family forum, keep it PG-13 please

 

[jrswizzle]

Hey, this is a family forum, keep it PG-13 please

I re-read it after I posted and thought it sounded funny....lol just didn't know how else to put it

 

[bmac4]

I get better battery life on my S3, than any iPhone5 (which has average battery life IMO, especially for a display that doesn't even reach the 4" barrier) and I don't turn anything off. Of course, since the iPhone has such a tiny screen, lacks the sensors and hardware found in the S3, and cant do half the processes the S3 can, it isn't saying much about the iPhone. I sure wouldn't praise the iPhone's battery, considering what little it has to power, that is for sure.

Well I have said many times here and said this to jrswizzle many times the iPhone's battery life is really not that good. I know he kind of quietly tried to take a shot at android being battery hog, but I can say my nexus 4 gets just as good of battery as the my iPhone 5 if not better. Sure the battery is smaller in the iPhone 5, but the processor is too. What half the processor of the nexus 4?

 

[tjl3]

Well I have said many times here and said this to jrswizzle many times the iPhone's battery life is really not that good. I know he kind of quietly tried to take a shot at android being battery hog, but I can say my nexus 4 gets just as good of battery as the my iPhone 5 if not better. Sure the battery is smaller in the iPhone 5, but the processor is too. What half the processor of the nexus 4?

Standby battery management is terrible on my Nexus 4. I never run tasks side by side between my Nexus 4 and iPhone 5. But I can tell you that if I go from a full charge and just leave my Nexus 4 sitting around (it is my work phone), it will discharge in under 2 days no matter what.

 

[bmac4]

Standby battery management is terrible on my Nexus 4. I never run tasks side by side between my Nexus 4 and iPhone 5. But I can tell you that if I go from a full charge and just leave my Nexus 4 sitting around (it is my work phone), it will discharge in under 2 days no matter what.

What about the iPhone? People are always preaching to me about standby battery life, but who cares about that I want to know what a phone can do with battery life when I am using it.

Sorry to keep this thread going in the wrong direction.

 

[Kashsystems]

I wish Samsung would start flexing some muscle with the carriers like Apple does and start saying support our NFC implementation. There are other issues like the POS (Point of Sale, although the other meaning applies most of the time too) terminals need to be upgraded in many places.

I hope we aren't too far off in the future to see much wider NFC.

This isn't about carrier or cellphone manufacturing flexing. This is about the payment processors and Visa/Mastercard.

Both Mastercard and Visa want to increase payment processing fees for digital wallets to slow it's growth and make sure they can come up with a plan they can control from the beginning.

 

[jrswizzle]

Well I have said many times here and said this to jrswizzle many times the iPhone's battery life is really not that good. I know he kind of quietly tried to take a shot at android being battery hog, but I can say my nexus 4 gets just as good of battery as the my iPhone 5 if not better. Sure the battery is smaller in the iPhone 5, but the processor is too. What half the processor of the nexus 4?

I have both - and by monitoring what is on and off on my N4 (partially on my own partially with JuiceDefender), I get pretty equal battery life with my iPhone 5 with everything on constantly and a much brighter screen.

I'm not getting into this. Its all anecdotal. I don't carry a charging cable around with me, my brother-in-law and sister do - they have GS3s. That doesn't mean anything.

Get whatever you want - my iPhone 5 lasts plenty (a full day at least) and does everything I need it to do. I'm used to using it, so the "extra work" to toggle settings (which I rarely do) isn't an issue.

Again - why is it impossible to prefer an iPhone without being an idiot? You people need to get over yourselves - its a phone, which you likely use the same way I use mine - to connect with others and keep up on current events, maybe play some games. There isn't a flagship out there that doesn't do these things perfectly well.

The more I use both (the N4 and iP5), the more I'm convinced all this "us vs. them" nonsense is just that. I simply get tired of people dismissing another's opinion/preference because of some ridiculous need to feel superior.

I've got news for you - just because you've got a 5" smartphone in your pocket, doesn't mean what you've got in your pants is any bigger. This pissing contest is idiotic. (FYI bmac - most of that post was directed at others, not you).

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What about the iPhone? People are always preaching to me about standby battery life, but who cares about that I want to know what a phone can do with battery life when I am using it.

Sorry to keep this thread going in the wrong direction.

Which mode is your phone in most often? Standby or screen-on?

If a phone can manage standby mode (which is where the phone is a majority of the time), the battery life will be better overall - provided the on-screen battery life doesn't suck - which, in my experience with the iP5, it doesn't.

But that's my experience and use case, which isn't the same as everyone's.

 

[bmac4]

I have both - and by monitoring what is on and off on my N4 (partially on my own partially with JuiceDefender), I get pretty equal battery life with my iPhone 5 with everything on constantly and a much brighter screen.

I'm not getting into this. Its all anecdotal. I don't carry a charging cable around with me, my brother-in-law and sister do - they have GS3s. That doesn't mean anything.

Get whatever you want - my iPhone 5 lasts plenty (a full day at least) and does everything I need it to do. I'm used to using it, so the "extra work" to toggle settings (which I rarely do) isn't an issue.

Again - why is it impossible to prefer an iPhone without being an idiot? You people need to get over yourselves - its a phone, which you likely use the same way I use mine - to connect with others and keep up on current events, maybe play some games. There isn't a flagship out there that doesn't do these things perfectly well.

The more I use both (the N4 and iP5), the more I'm convinced all this "us vs. them" nonsense is just that. I simply get tired of people dismissing another's opinion/preference because of some ridiculous need to feel superior.

I've got news for you - just because you've got a 5" smartphone in your pocket, doesn't mean what you've got in your pants is any bigger. This pissing contest is idiotic. (FYI bmac - most of that post was directed at others, not you).

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Which mode is your phone in most often? Standby or screen-on?

If a phone can manage standby mode (which is where the phone is a majority of the time), the battery life will be better overall - provided the on-screen battery life doesn't suck - which, in my experience with the iP5, it doesn't.

But that's my experience and use case, which isn't the same as everyone's.

Ok is just seemed your other post was taking the NFC thing as just a need for android to save battery. I know we have many discussion before about which is better and me and know both know it is all about what you like more.

My screen off more than it is on, but using the iphone sucked up more battery than the nexus 4 does. I ended watching my battery usage time than enjoying the iphone 5. I will every now and again look at battery is setting checking to see how much screen on time I have, but more so I am enjoying the phone. I feel like the nexus 4 has some pretty great standby time. Some of the best I have seen from an android device. It is better at standby than my note 2, the note 2 just has that huge battery so it does not matter.

How long does your battery last in your iPhone 5 vs nexus 4? Also I never use NFC to manage my battery. I don't have bluetooth anything so I keep that off. I keep wifi on at all times because I have it at home, and at work. I did not even keep bluetooth on when I was using the my iphone 5 as my main phone. Also I keep gps on all the time. NFC for me is using for paying for stuff, and transferring information. Not battery management. My battery life is what it is. I get about 15-17 hours on my nexus 4.

 

[jrswizzle]

Ok is just seemed your other post was taking the NFC thing as just a need for android to save battery. I know we have many discussion before about which is better and me and know both know it is all about what you like more.

My screen off more than it is on, but using the iphone sucked up more battery than the nexus 4 does. I ended watching my battery usage time than enjoying the iphone 5. I will every now and again look at battery is setting checking to see how much screen on time I have, but more so I am enjoying the phone. I feel like the nexus 4 has some pretty great standby time. Some of the best I have seen from an android device. It is better at standby than my note 2, the note 2 just has that huge battery so it does not matter.

How long does your battery last in your iPhone 5 vs nexus 4? Also I never use NFC to manage my battery. I don't have bluetooth anything so I keep that off. I keep wifi on at all times because I have it at home, and at work. I did not even keep bluetooth on when I was using the my iphone 5 as my main phone. Also I keep gps on all the time. NFC for me is using for paying for stuff, and transferring information. Not battery management. My battery life is what it is. I get about 15-17 hours on my nexus 4.

My original comment on NFC had nothing to do with battery management. I only reiterated what an Android user said he used NFC for - which was battery management - and simply countered that I don't worry about turning anything on or off on my iPhone 5 and there are other ways to manage the battery on my N4.

I get about the same on my Nexus 4 - maybe a little worse (14-15 hours total with around 4-5 hours on screen) with JuiceDefender giving me a big boost and most things off when I'm not using them.

On the other hand, with everything "on" on my iPhone 5, this is typical:

 

[bmac4]

My original comment on NFC had nothing to do with battery management. I only reiterated what an Android user said he used NFC for - which was battery management - and simply countered that I don't worry about turning anything on or off on my iPhone 5 and there are other ways to manage the battery on my N4.

I get about the same on my Nexus 4 - maybe a little worse (14-15 hours total with around 4-5 hours on screen) with JuiceDefender giving me a big boost and most things off when I'm not using them.

On the other hand, with everything "on" on my iPhone 5, this is typical:

Yea I have not used juicedefender since I had an HTC inspire. So you go about a day and half on one charge on your iphone 5? Based on your picture I used my iPhone 5 way more than you do. My usage was something like 6 hours usage, but I never look much at the standby.

My nexus 4 gets me through the day no problem at all. There have been a few times I had to put it on a short charge just give it a bump, but with the iphone by about 8 or 9 at night it needed a charge or it would die.

Sorry for derailing the thread.

 

[jrswizzle]

Yea I have not used juicedefender since I had an HTC inspire. So you go about a day and half on one charge on your iphone 5? Based on your picture I used my iPhone 5 way more than you do. My usage was something like 6 hours usage, but I never look much at the standby.

My nexus 4 gets me through the day no problem at all. There have been a few times I had to put it on a short charge just give it a bump, but with the iphone by about 8 or 9 at night it needed a charge or it would die.

Is 6 hours really "way more" than 5.5 hours? I've gone two full days without needing a charge on my iPhone 5 - never come close to that with my Nexus 4.

Yes, both of my phones make it through a day with my usage. I'm fully aware I'm a light-moderate user and understand my use case isn't indicative of everyone's. This is all anecdotal.

There are others who don't understand this - it was to them I was directing my original comments.

 

[bmac4]

Is 6 hours really "way more" than 5.5 hours? I've gone two full days without needing a charge on my iPhone 5 - never come close to that with my Nexus 4.

Yes, both of my phones make it through a day with my usage. I'm fully aware I'm a light-moderate user and understand my use case isn't indicative of everyone's. This is all anecdotal.

There are others who don't understand this - it was to them I was directing my original comments.

Yea the difference between your 5.5 and my 6 is your standby is over a day. I had nothing close to that. Again who cares I was just curious about how you used your phone. I am not trying to say one is better. I just wanted to give my experience.

 

[jrswizzle]

Yea the difference between your 5.5 and my 6 is your standby is over a day. I had nothing close to that. Again who cares I was just curious about how you used your phone. I am not trying to say one is better. I just wanted to give my experience.

Sure thing - I understand

 

[bmac4]

Sure thing - I understand

I do really like having these discussions we have. You have a ton of good insight into ios, but we always seem to discuss on the wrong threads or in the middle of arguments. I would just start a new thread, but the last one I did I got the "bmac with another" comments.

 

[b166er]

It cracks me up that people want to get rid of cards all together.

First of all there is ID, like actual government issued ID such as a driver's license or passport. Those are not going to go anywhere any time soon.

As for credit cards, if you really ditched them all in favor of NFC on your phone, what about all those occasions where it is necessary to physically hand your card to someone? Like when you're renting a car or hotel- usually they want to physically check the card to make sure it matches the license to make sure the person they are going to hold liable for damages is in fact the person standing in front of them.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for NFC and it's various uses (not just payments) but I don't think the good old fashioned wallet is going anywhere for a long time. However I did answer "no" since the NFC on my phone is crippled. I do use it if I am going to the Gym late at night from a keycard, but that's really it.

Does Verizon let you use Google Wallet? I know ATT has it's issues.

 

[Assault]

I have both - and by monitoring what is on and off on my N4 (partially on my own partially with JuiceDefender), I get pretty equal battery life with my iPhone 5 with everything on constantly and a much brighter screen.

I'm not getting into this. Its all anecdotal. I don't carry a charging cable around with me, my brother-in-law and sister do - they have GS3s. That doesn't mean anything.

Get whatever you want - my iPhone 5 lasts plenty (a full day at least) and does everything I need it to do. I'm used to using it, so the "extra work" to toggle settings (which I rarely do) isn't an issue.

Again - why is it impossible to prefer an iPhone without being an idiot? You people need to get over yourselves - its a phone, which you likely use the same way I use mine - to connect with others and keep up on current events, maybe play some games. There isn't a flagship out there that doesn't do these things perfectly well.

The more I use both (the N4 and iP5), the more I'm convinced all this "us vs. them" nonsense is just that. I simply get tired of people dismissing another's opinion/preference because of some ridiculous need to feel superior.

I've got news for you - just because you've got a 5" smartphone in your pocket, doesn't mean what you've got in your pants is any bigger. This pissing contest is idiotic. (FYI bmac - most of that post was directed at others, not you).

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Which mode is your phone in most often? Standby or screen-on?

If a phone can manage standby mode (which is where the phone is a majority of the time), the battery life will be better overall - provided the on-screen battery life doesn't suck - which, in my experience with the iP5, it doesn't.

But that's my experience and use case, which isn't the same as everyone's.

Again, you just try and try to slam Android and its users with biased b.s. And it appears that you are left with Napoleon's syndrome. Seriously, if you have to resort to justifying your manhood with regards to a phone, you have some more serious issues that would require professional help.

And I don't carry a charging cable around with me (you have to be a complete moron to carry a cable around with you, especially when the S3 has a replaceable battery. But I guess there are some pretty stupid people out there that can't figure that out.)

As for your claimed use of a Nexus 4, it is obvious you haven't a clue about Android. JuiceDefender is an obsolete app designed for phones prior to ICS. People that use JuiceDefender and have a phone running Jelly Bean, are actually screwing with the OS unnecessarily by using it. (Do you even know what Juice Defender does to your phone, in order to get its claimed battery savings?) I bet you use a Task Killer app too. At least now I know you have zero credibility with regards to your knowledge of Android.

Gonna have to put you on my ignore list. Anything you say regarding Android should be dismissed by anyone on this board. I mean, your signature is an obvious indicator of what you prefer, and why you make outlandish claims about Android, Samsung and its users.

 

[bmac4]

It cracks me up that people want to get rid of cards all together.

First of all there is ID, like actual government issued ID such as a driver's license or passport. Those are not going to go anywhere any time soon.

As for credit cards, if you really ditched them all in favor of NFC on your phone, what about all those occasions where it is necessary to physically hand your card to someone? Like when you're renting a car or hotel- usually they want to physically check the card to make sure it matches the license to make sure the person they are going to hold liable for damages is in fact the person standing in front of them.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for NFC and it's various uses (not just payments) but I don't think the good old fashioned wallet is going anywhere for a long time. However I did answer "no" since the NFC on my phone is crippled. I do use it if I am going to the Gym late at night from a keycard, but that's really it.

Does Verizon let you use Google Wallet? I know ATT has it's issues.

Verizon does not, but with At&t it all depends on what phone you are using. I stick to the nexus devices for the most part to get things right from google. I am using the nexus 4 with an At&t sim, and I am using NFC without a problem at all. Now my Note 2 on an At&t contract will not let me use NFC.