Nfc

[jrswizzle]

Again, you just try and try to slam Android and its users with biased b.s. And it appears that you are left with Napoleon's syndrome. Seriously, if you have to resort to justifying your manhood with regards to a phone, you have some more serious issues that would require professional help.

Lol....someone doesn't like to read. When did I ever say I justify my manhood in such a way? Based on comments like yours, it would seem that there are people who do though.....those were the people I was referring to.

I never slammed any INTELLIGENT Android user - and they know that.

And I don't carry a charging cable around with me (you have to be a complete moron to carry a cable around with you, especially when the S3 has a replaceable battery. But I guess there are some pretty stupid people out there that can't figure that out.)

Or the phone comes with the cable, and they rather not purchase and carry two extra batteries around? Again, because someone doesn't do something YOUR way, they are stupid and a complete moron.....what a tool you must be.

As for your claimed use of a Nexus 4, it is obvious you haven't a clue about Android. JuiceDefender is an obsolete app designed for phones prior to ICS. People that use JuiceDefender and have a phone running Jelly Bean, are actually screwing with the OS unnecessarily by using it. (Do you even know what Juice Defender does to your phone, in order to get its claimed battery savings?) I bet you use a Task Killer app too. At least now I know you have zero credibility with regards to your knowledge of Android.

Hmm....ok. I guess I'll go back to NOT using JuiceDefender, when my N4 couldn't make it through the day (yes even after the 4.2.2 update). I tested numerous "battery saving" apps, read reviews and haven't had any issue yet with JuiceDefender. I'm on stock - not rooted (don't care to be).

No I don't use a task killer app.

Gonna have to put you on my ignore list. Anything you say regarding Android should be dismissed by anyone on this board. I mean, your signature is an obvious indicator of what you prefer, and why you make outlandish claims about Android, Samsung and its users.

Lol, I think anyone who's read even your posts here knows I'm not the one making outlandish claims. What did I even say that was outlandish? Simply by stating that everyone has their anecdotal evidence and therefore one should take those "facts" with a grain of salt? Excuse me for injecting some common sense into this discussion....

To be honest, I'm convinced you couldn't come up with any counter to what I said and simply needed to continue to put someone else down for not thinking as you do. When you can counter the points I made, one-by-one, I'll actually acknowledge you aren't a trolling idiot.

Until then, happy to be on your ignore list

 

[tjl3]

It cracks me up that people want to get rid of cards all together.

First of all there is ID, like actual government issued ID such as a driver's license or passport. Those are not going to go anywhere any time soon.

As for credit cards, if you really ditched them all in favor of NFC on your phone, what about all those occasions where it is necessary to physically hand your card to someone? Like when you're renting a car or hotel- usually they want to physically check the card to make sure it matches the license to make sure the person they are going to hold liable for damages is in fact the person standing in front of them.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for NFC and it's various uses (not just payments) but I don't think the good old fashioned wallet is going anywhere for a long time. However I did answer "no" since the NFC on my phone is crippled. I do use it if I am going to the Gym late at night from a keycard, but that's really it.

Does Verizon let you use Google Wallet? I know ATT has it's issues.

I think we'll eventually go that route, but it's a generational thing. There are too many barriers to overcome to go to a all mobile device/no wallet type of system. Some of those being: 1) infrastructure; 2) a lot of misinformation; 3) learning curve; and 4) unwillingness to adopt newer technology.

A few generations from now I think it would be more widely accepted and used, but for existing ones it is tough to see them adopting new methods to something they've used all their lives.

For rental cars or hotels, it's all about infrastructure. If we eventually moved away from physical cards, you can bet there would be some other form of verification established. Like maybe you pay w/ your phone via NFC and it downloads information to them automatically.

 

[jrswizzle]

I think we'll eventually go that route, but it's a generational thing. There are too many barriers to overcome to go to a all mobile device/no wallet type of system. Some of those being: 1) infrastructure; 2) a lot of misinformation; 3) learning curve; and 4) unwillingness to adopt newer technology.

A few generations from now I think it would be more widely accepted and used, but for existing ones it is tough to see them adopting new methods to something they've used all their lives.

For rental cars or hotels, it's all about infrastructure. If we eventually moved away from physical cards, you can bet there would be some other form of verification established. Like maybe you pay w/ your phone via NFC and it downloads information to them automatically.

Agreed - like electric car charging stations - someone has to give way first to propel the technology into mass use. Either the infrastructure changes first and causes/allows the public to mass-adopt the tech or the public forces the infrastructure to change by mass-adopting on their own.

Otherwise, we're here in the "NFC is cool, but not terribly useful or convenient" stage.

 

[bmac4]

Lol....someone doesn't like to read. When did I ever say I justify my manhood in such a way? Based on comments like yours, it would seem that there are people who do though.....those were the people I referring to.



Or the phone comes with the cable, and they rather not purchase and carry two extra batteries around? Again, because someone doesn't do something YOUR way, they are stupid and a complete moron.....what a tool you must be.



Hmm....ok. I guess I'll go back to NOT using JuiceDefender, when my N4 couldn't make it through the day (yes even after the 4.2.2 update). I tested numerous "battery saving" apps, read reviews and haven't had any issue yet with JuiceDefender.

No I don't use a task killer app.



Lol, I think anyone who's read even your posts here knows I'm not the one making outlandish claims. What did I even say that was outlandish? Simply by stating that everyone has their anecdotal evidence and therefore one should take those "facts" with a grain of salt? Excuse me for injecting some common sense into this discussion....

jrswizzle it is clear Assault did not go about is response in the best way, but if does bring up a question I have regarding your battery life on your nexus 4. You really should not be using juicedefender because like Assualt said in not such a nice way there is not need for it after ICS. Are you syncing a lot of stuff? Do you have some kind of corporate email syncing to your nexus 4?

 

[jrswizzle]

jrswizzle it is clear Assault did not go about is response in the best way, but if does bring up a question I have regarding your battery life on your nexus 4. You really should not be using juicedefender because like Assualt said in not such a nice way there is not need for it after ICS. Are you syncing a lot of stuff? Do you have some kind of corporate email syncing to your nexus 4?

I don't manage ANYTHING. Keep in mind, I run simple, stock Android - no roms or rooting.

From what I've read, JuicDefender (and apps like it - which I tried) don't offer much benefit over other ROMs, which I totally get.

However, for me I've noticed a BIG improvement in battery life from not using it to using it on stock on my N4. To be quite honest, I don't give a crap about how it works - I have everything syncing (or at least that's how I left it before JD took over) and I don't turn my wifi on/off or anything else - JD does when I connect and leave my home network.

I haven't experienced ANY ill effect from the app. Despite the condescending nature of his post, I'll readily admit I'm not a rooter - don't know about all that. I DO know the issue with the N4's battery life had to do with a bug that affected the waking while on wifi/data network. 4.2.2 fixed the wifi part, but you'll still experience more drain than normal when on a data network (and yes, I understand you'll experience varied battery drain based on signal strength).

All that to say, when I used other "battery savers", they didn't work well. When I used nothing, I had battery life issues. JD allows me to leave everything on sync (which it then manages - the point being I don't have to manually poll everything) and I get great battery life (at least great enough for me). But hey - how about this, I'll try it again without JD and let you know how it goes - since you're a level-headed, calm intelligent forum goer.

And I'll continue to enjoy my smartphones (BOTH OF THEM) despite the musings of some toolbag on the internet.

 

[bmac4]

I don't manage ANYTHING. Keep in mind, I run simple, stock Android - no roms or rooting.

From what I've read, JuicDefender (and apps like it - which I tried) don't offer much benefit over other ROMs, which I totally get.

However, for me I've noticed a BIG improvement in battery life from not using it to using it on stock on my N4. To be quite honest, I don't give a crap about how it works - I have everything syncing (or at least that's how I left it before JD took over) and I don't turn my wifi on/off or anything else - JD does when I connect and leave my home network.

I haven't experienced ANY ill effect from the app. Despite the condescending nature of his post, I'll readily admit I'm not a rooter - don't know about all that. I DO know the issue with the N4's battery life had to do with a bug that affected the waking while on wifi/data network. 4.2.2 fixed the wifi part, but you'll still experience more drain than normal when on a data network (and yes, I understand you'll experience varied battery drain based on signal strength).

All that to say, when I used other "battery savers", they didn't work well. When I used nothing, I had battery life issues. JD allows me to leave everything on sync (which it then manages - the point being I don't have to manually poll everything) and I get great battery life (at least great enough for me). But hey - how about this, I'll try it again without JD and let you know how it goes - since you're a level-headed, calm intelligent forum goer.

And I'll continue to enjoy my smartphones (BOTH OF THEM) despite the musings of some toolbag on the internet.

Sure thing. Don't do bit just for me I don't want you to mess anything up. I understand you wanting to use it cause you can just let it manage things. I guess what he was trying to say was. Back in the gingerbread and earlier days you had to manage apps like crazy to save battery. Apps like JD did that for you. After ICS android shuts down apps that are not bing used for you. It become much smarter after ICS. More like iOS. You may already know all this and if so then sorry. Also I would suggest checking out and registering for androidforums.com great site for android stuff.

 

[jrswizzle]

Sure thing. Don't do bit just for me I don't want you to mess anything up. I understand you wanting to use it cause you can just let it manage things. I guess what he was trying to say was. Back in the gingerbread and earlier days you had to manage apps like crazy to save battery. Apps like JD did that for you. After ICS android shuts down apps that are not bing used for you. It become much smarter after ICS. More like iOS. You may already know all this and if so then sorry. Also I would suggest checking out and registering for androidforums.com great site for android stuff.

Sure I understand - its not only apps that are the issue. In fact, the battery drainer on the N4 was the wireless network connection (both wifi and data pre-4.2.2).

After 4.2.2, I've read (on XDA) that the wifi issues were fixed, however there were still issues with the cellular. Being that I haven't done extensive testing since 4.2.2, I'll try it out. Simple to disable - I didn't uninstall it. We'll see how it goes.

I got into it with Assault in another thread - basically, if I make any comment that says something to the effect that Samsung isn't the greatest ever, I get extremely harsh responses that don't address in the slightest anything I've posted. No biggie

 

[bmac4]

Sure I understand - its not only apps that are the issue. In fact, the battery drainer on the N4 was the wireless network connection (both wifi and data pre-4.2.2).

After 4.2.2, I've read (on XDA) that the wifi issues were fixed, however there were still issues with the cellular. Being that I haven't done extensive testing since 4.2.2, I'll try it out. Simple to disable - I didn't uninstall it. We'll see how it goes.

I got into it with Assault in another thread - basically, if I make any comment that says something to the effect that Samsung isn't the greatest ever, I get extremely harsh responses that don't address in the slightest anything I've posted. No biggie

Yea I understand let md know what you find. Also really do check out android forums. Even if you don't register read some of threads with know issues. That's where I go.

 

[Assault]

Yea I understand let md know what you find. Also really do check out android forums. Even if you don't register read some of threads with know issues. That's where I go.

Bmac4 and anyone else, be careful of anything jrswizzle says regarding Android. He simply makes info up and has self admitted he doesnt know anything about the OS. I'm not even sure why he continues to post in this section, other than to continually slam Android and Android based phones.

Last thing I want to see is someone screwing up their phone because they listened to anything this guy says. He's simply trolling and that is why I put him on ignore. I suggest others do the same.

 

[jrswizzle]

Bmac4 and anyone else, be careful of anything jrswizzle says regarding Android. He simply makes info up and has self admitted he doesnt know anything about the OS. I'm not even sure why he continues to post in this section, other than to continually slam Android and Android based phones.

Last thing I want to see is someone screwing up their phone because they listened to anything this guy says. He's simply trolling and that is why I put him on ignore. I suggest others do the same.

*sigh* let's see - you've been here all of a month, I've been posting since last year.

I like and use both platforms and have never told anyone to do something to their device (on the contrary I tend to tell.people to do what they want and prefer).

You ignore facts and make baseless accusations without actually being able to give any concrete reasons to back up your claims.

I know you can't see this - just makes me feel better contradicting this nonsense. Luckily for me, most of the posters here are smart enough to see through your charade.

 

[droidbook]

lol Im not even sure if my droid can use it cause I never tried, Im scared to use it for security reason and really dont see any need to... very easy for me to use real money or actual credit card. lol these smart phones are making people lazy now going into future

 

[The iGentleman]

lol Im not even sure if my droid can use it cause I never tried, Im scared to use it for security reason and really dont see any need to... very easy for me to use real money or actual credit card. lol these smart phones are making people lazy now going into future

You think a physical credit card is safer than NFC?

 

[cynics]

Precisely - with my iPhone 5, I simply leave all that on all the time. No worries about draining my battery or not making it through the day.

So while this level of automation is nifty, I see it as more of a workaround to attaining good battery life by automating the monitoring of your toggles.

----------

I turn all that stuff on and off on my iPhone not to save battery but for functionality.

On occasion my 3G gets slow or doesn't work. Turning airplane mode on and off fixes it.

I turn my Bluetooth off at home so my headset connects to other devices.

I turn location services off when I'm at home so precise location isn't recorded to photos. For example I can pull a lot of pictures off Craigslist taken with an iPhone and tell you the EXACT address it was taken. Not safe!

But most the time I want the location attached to a photo. It helps me organize photos since iOS doesn't give you a better way unless you manually do it.

On rare occasions I turn my wifi off if I'm just out of range at work in the parking lot so I get a faster cellular connect.

I know the post you quoted was because of battery and I agree with you I don't NEED to turn that stuff off on my iPhone to converse battery. But it would help. Regardless location based tag would be very convenient. Like a DnD tag on my night stand!

 

[jrswizzle]

I turn all that stuff on and off on my iPhone not to save battery but for functionality.

On occasion my 3G gets slow or doesn't work. Turning airplane mode on and off fixes it.

I turn my Bluetooth off at home so my headset connects to other devices.

I turn location services off when I'm at home so precise location isn't recorded to photos. For example I can pull a lot of pictures off Craigslist taken with an iPhone and tell you the EXACT address it was taken. Not safe!

Image

But most the time I want the location attached to a photo. It helps me organize photos since iOS doesn't give you a better way unless you manually do it.

On rare occasions I turn my wifi off if I'm just out of range at work in the parking lot so I get a faster cellular connect.

I know the post you quoted was because of battery and I agree with you I don't NEED to turn that stuff off on my iPhone to converse battery. But it would help. Regardless location based tag would be very convenient. Like a DnD tag on my night stand!

Agreed - I was speaking specifically related to battery life. I do toggle these settings from time to time as well.

I guess I'm just used to these things and a few extra taps doesn't really ruffle my feathers enough to overlook the REAL reasons I like the phones I do.

That said - wouldn't mind in the slightest if Apple added some sort of "quick toggles" menu - lord knows they could do it pretty easily and it wouldn't contradict any of their current marketing/philosophy. Heck the whole settings menu could use a refresh.....something I think we'll see in iveOS 7

 

[bmac4]

I turn all that stuff on and off on my iPhone not to save battery but for functionality.

On occasion my 3G gets slow or doesn't work. Turning airplane mode on and off fixes it.

I turn my Bluetooth off at home so my headset connects to other devices.

I turn location services off when I'm at home so precise location isn't recorded to photos. For example I can pull a lot of pictures off Craigslist taken with an iPhone and tell you the EXACT address it was taken. Not safe!

Image

But most the time I want the location attached to a photo. It helps me organize photos since iOS doesn't give you a better way unless you manually do it.

On rare occasions I turn my wifi off if I'm just out of range at work in the parking lot so I get a faster cellular connect.

I know the post you quoted was because of battery and I agree with you I don't NEED to turn that stuff off on my iPhone to converse battery. But it would help. Regardless location based tag would be very convenient. Like a DnD tag on my night stand!

Have location found that easy by taking a picture is crazy. I will remember that from now on.

----------

Agreed - I was speaking specifically related to battery life. I do toggle these settings from time to time as well.

I guess I'm just used to these things and a few extra taps doesn't really ruffle my feathers enough to overlook the REAL reasons I like the phones I do.

That said - wouldn't mind in the slightest if Apple added some sort of "quick toggles" menu - lord knows they could do it pretty easily and it wouldn't contradict any of their current marketing/philosophy. Heck the whole settings menu could use a refresh.....something I think we'll see in iveOS 7

Do you think they have not done quick toggles or things like that because they don't want to look like they were wrong, or that they are following another OS like Google? I am not saying they are copying Google just that maybe their own pride of someone saying told you so.

 

[b166er]

Can I ask a stupid question? If you're using Verizon or ATT and want to use google wallet to pay for things via NFC, do you have to use a nexus device? If you had a Samsung phone the carriers block NFC payments? I never really understood what was going on here. Thanks.

 

[bmac4]

Can I ask a stupid question? If you're using Verizon or ATT and want to use google wallet to pay for things via NFC, do you have to use a nexus device? If you had a Samsung phone the carriers block NFC payments? I never really understood what was going on here. Thanks.

Yes most of the carriers block Google wallet. They have their on mobile payment systems.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Can I ask a stupid question? If you're using Verizon or ATT and want to use google wallet to pay for things via NFC, do you have to use a nexus device? If you had a Samsung phone the carriers block NFC payments? I never really understood what was going on here. Thanks.

You would need to use a custom rom. I'm using a TouchWiz custom rom and installed Google Wallet on it just fine.