I’m pretty sure you can’t buy an iPhone 11 with a Qualcomm modem so it’s a moot point really.
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I’m pretty sure you can’t buy an iPhone 11 with a Qualcomm modem so it’s a moot point really.
5g is a joke, there won’t be decent coverage for at least two years. As said I would also definitely NOT want the 1st gen 5g modem. Also, 5g really doesn’t provide much of a benefit, for cell phones currently. Unless you are tethering it for home broad band.
You can’t just compare battery mah. That tells you nothing. You need to compare actual usage, which no one can do because the phone hasn’t been released yet. The galaxy 10s are awful, wouldn’t touch it if it was free. Now the note 10 on the other hand, that was tempting. Even if you buy Samsung, don’t get the 5g modem.
You can’t just compare battery mah. That tells you nothing. You need to compare actual usage, which no one can do because the phone hasn’t been released yet. The galaxy 10s are awful, wouldn’t touch it if it was free. Now the note 10 on the other hand, that was tempting. Even if you buy Samsung, don’t get the 5g modem.
I can bet you it won’t be in “most places” next year...
If it’s in most places next year you can buy the 2020 iPhone you know next year
Doesn't matter if its next year or 2021, you future proof yourself. With the phones being so expensive, upgrading yearly is not an option. I wouldn't be surprised if the average owner will keep the phone for 4 years on average.I can bet you it won’t be in “most places” next year...
If it’s in most places next year you can buy the 2020 iPhone you know next year
Let’s say Apple wanted to.
They didn’t have a choice they were in dispute with Qualcomm hence why we don’t have any Qualcomm modems in ur this year and last year.
So the discussions quite mute tbh
What are you doing, that you need 5g? 4g isn’t going to suddenly get worse next year. In fact they are still improving it. 5g has almost no benefit to cell phone for the foreseeable future.
I don't see the big deal about 5G honestly. The leap between 3G and LTE was massive. I'm not clamoring for speeds faster than LTE on my iPhone.
Apple has always been slower then the others for networks. Most time its 2 reasons. Lack of network. 5G while being rolled out slowly still isn't normal connection in many areas. 2 is battery life. Right now we are on first gen of 5g modems. Just like first gen of 4g modems they are battery hungry chips. What's point of having a modem in the phone if it's not going to be used very much if at all and going to hurt battery life pretty bad? Feel free to switch to samsung like so many claim they do each year at this time.
Agreed. 5G offers some core benefits, but it won’t be widespread for everyone right away. Actually, 5G is one of the last things that I’m looking for in 2020. I’m dismissing it, but it’s not something that will provoke me to upgrade solely for that alone.
Given the inherent issues with 5G--short range and high attenuation--5G will not be rolled out like 4G, and we will never likely see the kind of widespread coverage we see with 4G. It is much more likely we'll see areas of 5G coverage in densely populated cities and/or indoors, with wide area 4G coverage outside of that. But, even in densely populated areas, 5Gs propensity for signal attenuation means in some place like NYC, 5G coverage will be very spotty because of lack of line of sight.
The fact Apple didn't release a product with support for a new and largely undeveloped technology isn't surprising. It's how they roll.
The fact Apple didn't release a product with support for a new and largely undeveloped technology isn't surprising. It's how they roll.
Yes, but the new iPhone is supposed to be future-proof. And any $1,000 phone is supposed to last for a few years. If it does not support 5G, then it may have to be replaced as soon as next year to take advantage of the new technology.
I’ve had iPhones since the 3G.
I don’t really understand why anyone who’s had iPhones for that length of time would be expecting Apple to release the latest features year in year out.
The iPhone 4 was game changing. After the 4 they threaded water with incremental updates until the 6 (which was only done because they could no longer ignore the demand for larger screens, it didn’t actually offer anything amazing over the 5s), then they treaded water till the X. They’ll do the same for the next 2-3 years at least.
When other manufacturers had 4K displays apple release phones that don’t even have full HD. Other manufacturers put more ram in than most desktop PC’s. Apple stick with 2/3gig.
Others had Oled displays. Apple still used LCD. TouchID and FaceID came after their competitors again. Triple camera? Old hat for a lot of phone makers.
They miss features other manufactures have as standard. They up prices every year. Non of this is new.
Basically why are you expecting Apple to have the latest tech when they have absolutely zero history of doing so? Surely your history of owning apple devices has shown you this?
I get being annoyed that they don’t have a feature you want yet. But to act like it’s not the norm for them, and claiming to be a long time apple device owner is just baffling to me.
I realise that post makes it seem like I hate apple. I don’t. I adore my iPhone. I happily pay extra to have a device that works. That receives updates regularly and isn’t forgotten the second it’s sold. For a device that holds value. And a device I know will work as good in two years as it does today.
I just don’t understand why anyone who claims to have followed apple for years thinks they offer more than competitors when they haven’t for a very long time.
I don’t really understand why anyone who’s had iPhones for that length of time would be expecting Apple to release the latest features year in year out.
The iPhone 4 was game changing. After the 4 they threaded water with incremental updates until the 6 (which was only done because they could no longer ignore the demand for larger screens, it didn’t actually offer anything amazing over the 5s), then they treaded water till the X. They’ll do the same for the next 2-3 years at least.
When other manufacturers had 4K displays apple release phones that don’t even have full HD. Other manufacturers put more ram in than most desktop PC’s. Apple stick with 2/3gig.
Others had Oled displays. Apple still used LCD. TouchID and FaceID came after their competitors again. Triple camera? Old hat for a lot of phone makers.
They miss features other manufactures have as standard. They up prices every year. Non of this is new.
Basically why are you expecting Apple to have the latest tech when they have absolutely zero history of doing so? Surely your history of owning apple devices has shown you this?
I get being annoyed that they don’t have a feature you want yet. But to act like it’s not the norm for them, and claiming to be a long time apple device owner is just baffling to me.
I realise that post makes it seem like I hate apple. I don’t. I adore my iPhone. I happily pay extra to have a device that works. That receives updates regularly and isn’t forgotten the second it’s sold. For a device that holds value. And a device I know will work as good in two years as it does today.
I just don’t understand why anyone who claims to have followed apple for years thinks they offer more than competitors when they haven’t for a very long time.
5G is inherently different than those. It's maximum range can be as short as 500 feet in good conditions, and it's ability to get through walls/structures/buildings is considerably worse than 4G. Lacking some unforeseen breakthrough with the tech (which is unlikely simply due to the physics of mm wave communications) 5G will be used differently than 4G, more as a benefit in densely populated places than as widespread coverage.
Beyond that, the first gen of 5G modems are big (in terms of chips size) and use a lot of power, just like the first gen of 4G modems. Apple is likely waiting for the ability to include 5G without so many compromises.
Yes, the use of very high frequency bands are not good for signal propagation. But great for heavily populated locations and events.
However, you give too much credit to apple. They couldn't add 5g because of their spat with qualcomm and with intel coming up short. Apple was forced to settle so they can 5g for 2020. No 5g in 2020 will be an outright disaster for apple. Doesn't matter if its useful or not if a cheap $200 android phone will have it and Apple at $1000 doesn't.
No price hike in the US. Actually, prices have effectively been cut here because Apple is eating the Trump tariffs themselves rather than passing them on to consumers. The UK price hikes are the direct result of the massive uncertainty around the Brexit situation and the weak and possibly further weakened pound.
I mean technically it is future proof - 4G isn't suddenly going to disappear and will continue be in use for a long time.
5G isn't suddenly going to be available everywhere within the next 3 years never mind 1.
I agree when buying a phone sure I can see why 5G would be a factor, but at the end of the day Apple had no choice but to stick with 4G anyway due to their Qualcomm dispute, that was only resolved a few months ago at which point it would have been too late.
Price hike is ridiculous though.
Ask the people with the HTC Thunderbolt how they feel about that in regards to LTE.