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No New Air at WWDC
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I find mesmerizing the fixation that some has with the topic of the new MBA, it is a great notebook all right? I bought two of them. Also, I hate the MBP 13, which I was given by the company, too heavy in my opinion, and the HD is a POS when compared to the SSD of the MBA. Nonetheless, why keep dreaming and shooting random dates on when this thing will get updated. I don't think it will, and if does, then I will look on whether it fits or not my needs and my pocket. People have issues and they don't want them let go. C'monn people, it is just a notebook for Christ sake.
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"I find mesmerizing the fixation that sime has with thr topic of the new MBA ... it is just a notebook..." Well, if you're mesmerised, that's flattering. The term "fixation" though, can have a judgemental edge to it. ------ My take: I don't know what MR's founder had in mind for this thread, but I do see elsewhere a disciinct area for "buying advice". Suggesting that the 'Air' forum, (the only one defined so specifically that I've seen on web) might be intended for a scope of discussion broader than "buying advice". Also of course, threads can take on a life of their own, and conversation can wander across topics, for which other threads do exist. ^^^^^ Different readers have different interests. Some want troubleshooting, some buying timing advice, some worry about Apple's long term committment to the costly computers they or their firm are investing in, and some readers have tech needs at the lightweight end of the laptop spectrum which is where all mfr's offerings are skimpy but slowly improving. Some of us follow chip trends, some of us are interested in overall design, some of us are interested in the market/demographics/sociology/tech trends aspects (who needs / wants the Air's lightness?), and some of us (not moi) may even have stock buying/selling in the backs of our minds. And Apple does LEAD enough, that it becomes the FOCUS of expectations and intellectual interest, in a way that all mfr's don't. ----- We don't have sub-sub-sub-threads for each of those things. So these "Air" dept. talks are an interesting MIX. But of course, one doesn't have to read every article in a newspaper. Same here)
"I find mesmerizing the fixation that sime has with thr topic of the new MBA ... it is just a notebook..." Well, if you're mesmerised, that's flattering. The term "fixation" though, can have a judgemental edge to it. ------ My take: I don't know what MR's founder had in mind for this thread, but I do see elsewhere a disciinct area for "buying advice". Suggesting that the 'Air' forum, (the only one defined so specifically that I've seen on web) might be intended for a scope of discussion broader than "buying advice". Also of course, threads can take on a life of their own, and conversation can wander across topics, for which other threads do exist. ^^^^^ Different readers have different interests. Some want troubleshooting, some buying timing advice, some worry about Apple's long term committment to the costly computers they or their firm are investing in, and some readers have tech needs at the lightweight end of the laptop spectrum which is where all mfr's offerings are skimpy but slowly improving. Some of us follow chip trends, some of us are interested in overall design, some of us are interested in the market/demographics/sociology/tech trends aspects (who needs / wants the Air's lightness?), and some of us (not moi) may even have stock buying/selling in the backs of our minds. And Apple does LEAD enough, that it becomes the FOCUS of expectations and intellectual interest, in a way that all mfr's don't. ----- We don't have sub-sub-sub-threads for each of those things. So these "Air" dept. talks are an interesting MIX. But of course, one doesn't have to read every article in a newspaper. Same here
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I find mesmerizing the fixation that some has with the topic of the new MBA, it is a great notebook all right? I bought two of them. Also, I hate the MBP 13, which I was given by the company, too heavy in my opinion, and the HD is a POS when compared to the SSD of the MBA. Nonetheless, why keep dreaming and shooting random dates on when this thing will get updated. I don't think it will, and if does, then I will look on whether it fits or not my needs and my pocket. People have issues and they don't want them let go. C'monn people, it is just a notebook for Christ sake.
Spelling aside, I do get your point.
If you owned one, though - you'd understand the fanatical loyalty that the MBA inspires. It's just such a fun little laptop. I feel like it's a lot less important though, now that I have my iPad.
I think in a few years Apple will reevaluate and bring out a really kick butt MBA. But it's going to wander through the desert for 40 years first.
Sorry for the spelling, I had a few glasses prior to writing my rant. To the other fellow colleague, on the post above yours:
You are right, nobody needs to read it, nor come to the site as matter of fact. But if one does, he also should be entitled to his/her opinion even if it contradicts some. Oh, never mind, I was in a bad mood last night. Sorry if the "fixation" word bothered you. Although I don't see any evil on the word itself or the context it was used.
Fixation = an obsessive interest in or feeling about someone or something.
Cheers
Sorry for the spelling, I had a few glasses prior to writing my rant. To the other fellow colleague, on the post above yours:
You are right, nobody needs to read it, nor come to the site as matter of fact. But if one does, he also should be entitled to his/her opinion even if it contradicts some. Oh, never mind, I was in a bad mood last night. Sorry if the "fixation" word bothered you. Although I don't see any evil on the word itself or the context it was used.
Fixation = an obsessive interest in or feeling about someone or something.
Cheers
Well, I totally agree with your point - alcohol or not. You'd think Apple had killed some people's puppies or something by not updating the MBA. It's just a box.
It's like all the Newton owners that have clung to it for a decade, and felt assaulted when Apple brought the iPad out.
I think there are some people who will have to find something else to base their identity on, other than the MBA. Let it go. It will be back in a few years, but it's not Apple's focus.
Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but I guess I'm just disappointed at the prospect of Apple pursuing "mobile entertainment devices" as its primary focus, instead of "mobile computing devices". Regardless of how people used their MBA, or what people felt was lacking, I think Apple was headed in the right direction. That said though, I can see that same path being reached via the iPad depending on what Apple has in store for the iOS platform. What I'm worried about is innovation coming to a halt as media consumption takes center stage.
I'll keep my fingers crossed and hope that the current iOS devices are being used as stepping stones for future products that are not only innovative in design, but are capable and efficient at content development, to complement the existing catalog of content consumption devices.
Well, if iOS is going to be a long-term contender - it will have to evolve. I agree that just being a consumption device is not good for the long run. But, apps like imovie for the new iPhone are very promising on that front.
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"It's just a box." No. It's a wedge.) ------------- Which is exactly why an 'Air' is less likely to push you down the path to Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, than a "box" shape. ----- Without it, for my needs I'd have to submit to crappy windows netbook hell and pay hourly for endless troubleshooting help. Windows is too much agita. Or worse -- use some exotic ubuntu / etc. o/s, in which case I'd have to marry someone who knows how to give constant free help for that. Unfortunately, I have no such prospects. )
"It's just a box." No. It's a wedge.
) ------------- Which is exactly why an 'Air' is less likely to push you down the path to Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, than a "box" shape. ----- Without it, for my needs I'd have to submit to crappy windows netbook hell and pay hourly for endless troubleshooting help. Windows is too much agita. Or worse -- use some exotic ubuntu / etc. o/s, in which case I'd have to marry someone who knows how to give constant free help for that. Unfortunately, I have no such prospects. )
You echo my own sentiments. I think the current iteration of iOS is a pale imitation of OS X or any other real OS. Like you, I hope for iOS's continued development in a way that will allow my iPad to become much more like a real computer and much less like an iPhone.
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I can and do "focus" on several things every day. I can't see why Apple can't do that too, or why it thinks the public can't do that. Perhaps it's just an individual quirk, of the maximum leader. Does a car company stall release of a new car model or upgrade, because it might compete for attention with some other announcement? Of course not! Steve: Most of us can walk and chew gum at the same time, already!
I can and do "focus" on several things every day. I can't see why Apple can't do that too, or why it thinks the public can't do that. Perhaps it's just an individual quirk, of the maximum leader. Does a car company stall release of a new car model or upgrade, because it might compete for attention with some other announcement? Of course not! Steve: Most of us can walk and chew gum at the same time, already!
Well, I don't think Apple as a whole should do that simply because they're already struggling with opposing ideals and mantras. Sometimes that leads to innovation, but often times it leads to inefficient use of time and/or wasted R&D. However, Scottsdale brought up a good point in one of his posts...why not split into two groups? One could be the "mobile entertainment" division while focusing on content delivery and consumption...the other could be the "mobile computing" division that focuses on content creation and development. Obviously there would be some overlap, and of course there are several other variables to consider.
On the other hand, the infrastructure/organization could remain the way it is, but just bulked up and reinforced with more talent, so that something like the current situation where people are being reassigned from OSX to iOS doesn't happen. With the amount of money they have readily available, there is no excuse for people having to be reassigned from one product line to another....unless of course said product line is being d/c. Instead of having billions of dollars sitting around collecting dust, put it to good use!
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pharmx: Yes. The theory that personnel were unavailable for Mac work sounds improbable to me. Or if true, it's an extreme case of misallocating resources, i.e. pretending to not have the $ they do have. I wonder if the campus construction boom I read about, will lead to higher staffing levels so Apple can really start firing on all cylinders? ------ I need 2 things: In order to switch to Mac and invest time and money in it, I need to feel confident that there will be a long-term "maintenance of effort" on all things Mac. But in the short term, like NOW, I need to get an adequate MB Air, #/%^*&@ it!
pharmx: Yes. The theory that personnel were unavailable for Mac work sounds improbable to me. Or if true, it's an extreme case of misallocating resources, i.e. pretending to not have the $ they do have. I wonder if the campus construction boom I read about, will lead to higher staffing levels so Apple can really start firing on all cylinders? ------ I need 2 things: In order to switch to Mac and invest time and money in it, I need to feel confident that there will be a long-term "maintenance of effort" on all things Mac. But in the short term, like NOW, I need to get an adequate MB Air, #/%^*&@ it!
"It's just a box." No. It's a wedge.
Which is exactly the one reason I'm still clinging to the hope they'll soon get an upgrade and am not going to 13"MBP (even though weight plays a role, too).
Yeah, right.
I like my iPad a lot, even with its smartphone OS. My complaint isn't that the iPad doesn't do anything well because it does a lot well. Nevertheless, I resent the iPad's inability to support Flash, despite Flash being an Internet standard. It has other inadequacies, too, which cause me to use a real computer for all but the most casual Net surfing and watching Netflix streaming. The iPad is a great little tool anyway, though. There was a reason that Apple sold 2 million of them in less than 30 days after the iPad's release. It is simply, the proverbial "better mousetrap."Yeah, right.
Lol, I thought we weren't going to debate the Flash thing?
Flash is NOT an internet standard by the way. Adobe tried and failed to get approval. Despite the inconvenience and difficulty short term with having to wean off of Flash dependence, the integrity of the internet and its evolution as a platform depends on it.
They want you dumping all your money into buying apps from the App Store....
What the iPad 'could of been' versus 'what it is' is very far apart what's in between that making money for shareholders .....
No, you and I have beat the Flash issue to death and, I thought, had long understood that we fundamentally disagree about it. Nevertheless, I reserve the right to express my opinion that the iPad's inability to support Flash cripples it.Lol, I thought we weren't going to debate the Flash thing?
Flash is NOT an internet standard by the way. Adobe tried and failed to get approval. Despite the inconvenience and difficulty short term with having to wean off of Flash dependence, the integrity of the internet and its evolution as a platform depends on it.
You are technically correct that Flash is not an approved Internet standard but it is so widely used, it seems to me that it is a de facto standard, nonetheless. Anyway, that's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
Finally, you will feel better if you don't get your knickers in a twist every time I express my dismay about Flash support not being available in the iPad. I will no doubt find an opportunity to do it again. In the spirit of comity, I promise not to react whenever you say that Steve Jobs bafflegab rationalization for not enabling Flash in the iPad makes sense.
No, you and I have beat the Flash issue to death and, I thought, had long understood that we fundamentally disagree about it. Nevertheless, I reserve the right to express my opinion that the iPad's inability to support Flash cripples it.
You are technically correct that Flash is not an approved Internet standard but it is so widely used, it seems to me that it is a de facto standard, nonetheless. Anyway, that's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
Finally, you will feel better if you don't get your knickers in a twist every time I express my dismay about Flash support not being available in the iPad. I will no doubt find an opportunity to do it again. In the spirit of comity, I promise not to react whenever you say that Steve Jobs bafflegab rationalization for not enabling Flash in the iPad makes sense.
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Flash was on 97% of Internet connected computers in Early 2009. Apple is going backwards. The biggest problem I have is Apple complaining and misleading people as to why they don't want Flash. If they came out and said it competes and we are never going to support it, I would think 100X more of them. Them trash talking Adobe and the technology, relevance, and loss of their own customers' abilities to surf the web is sickening.
Lol, I thought we weren't going to debate the Flash thing?
Flash is NOT an internet standard by the way. Adobe tried and failed to get approval. Despite the inconvenience and difficulty short term with having to wean off of Flash dependence, the integrity of the internet and its evolution as a platform depends on it.
Well, I completely agree with you, PharmX. I have also occasionally missed Flash, but I see the sacrifice as weaning myself away from something bad for the Internet as a whole. Flash is bad for the Internet as a whole. I'm glad Apple has taken a stand. In two or three years, this battle will be won, and we'll all be better off for it.
I also want to say, I love Adobe products. I make my living with them, but they have totally lost my trust. If you want well-written, modern software, you don't want Adobe.
Bri
In fairness to you and pharmx, I will say I recognize the hit on battery longevity that adding Flash to the iPad would have caused and the iPad's battery life is a major selling point. Nevertheless, I have found that the absence of Flash from the iPad, particularly its inability to playback Hulu and TV network videos makes me mad all over again every time I think about it. In short, there is a good faith disagreement about the issue. I think the biggest problem Scottsdale and I have with it, though, is that Steve Jobs' posturing about the issue, to the effect that the decision was made for technical reasons and not to prevent Adobe to having access to the iPad's internal workings, was less than convincing, to us at least.
I totally agree that it's a good faith disagreement. I found Jobs to be very direct and sincere on this issue. I agreed with every word of his open letter about Flash. I really think that SJ thinks Flash is a bad product, though I do concede their are political games at play as well.
I have barely missed Flash, but that is my experience. I was thrilled the other day when I discovered Lynda.com works with iPad now. It was the extent of what I needed to work.
Bri
I believe that we will see more and more sites moving away from Flash. After all, the iPad's sales figures have been incredible so far and show no signs of abating. It has turned into an even bigger phenomenon than the original iPhone was. I don't know what would be involved in shifting from Flash to an alternate technology but if I relied on the Web for my livelihood, I would find out -- fast.
By the way, I agree that Flash is a bloated product, made worse by Apple's video drivers. It always takes two to tango, doesn't it?
Agreed and understood...you have every right to express your opinion, as do I. My post wasn't meant to imply otherwise...I just assumed that we had also agreed that since Flash (or lack thereof) on the iPad has nothing to do with the MBA, we were not going continuously go off-topic. However, if you feel that a Flash-enabled iPad is equivalent to an MBA, by all means we can continue to voice our polar opinions here. I think the quality of Flash when running OS X versus Windows is a much more relevant topic though, with respect to the Air.
Standards exist for a reason, and anyone that builds a foundation on a "de facto standard" as opposed to a legitimate one could have their world turned upside down. And in fact, that's exactly what happened in this case with Apple. Flash is not an approved standard, and Apple's decision to not support it should not affect anyone other than the people that disregarded that simple fact. Don't get me wrong, the current internet standards are horrible, and being a standards-compliant designer and/or developer is not easy...but any time you decide to simply "ignore" the approved standards, you must do so with the knowledge that you are taking a risk.
Finally, you will feel better if you don't get your knickers in a twist every time I express my dismay about Flash support not being available in the iPad. I will no doubt find an opportunity to do it again. In the spirit of comity, I promise not to react whenever you say that Steve Jobs bafflegab rationalization for not enabling Flash in the iPad makes sense.
Flash is a tool, and just like any tool it has its uses both good and bad. I have no problems with Flash when it is used to enhance the internet. I do have a problem when Adobe tries to position Flash in a manner that makes the internet dependent on Flash.