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cinek

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imo WP 8 looks quite good, might not have as many apps but it'll get there hopefully

the major draw back of the iPhone for me is the screen size. It feels and looks so small compared to the other phones, even with 4" - they're only increasing the height and looking at the images on here, increasing the width isn't really an option for the iphone as the UI looks like a mess (especially the home screen) so I think the iPhone will be stuck on the 4" height until a major UI change which isn't coming soon

bigger screen = better experience imo (unless you only use your phone for phone calls and texts)

I'll wait and see what apple comes up with on wednesday, all 3 phones haven't been released yet, so no rush heh
 

epicfailguy2

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Yea...
iPhone 5 : Metal casing / 4" probaly 720p ips that they'll probably call SUPER RETINA lol.../ same old boring iOS
Nokia : Polycarbonate / 4,5" high black levels 720p ips screen / refreshing design / gorilla glass 1 / best camera
Samsung : Polycarbonate & Metal casing / SAMOLED 4,8" / business design / lightweight / bigger battery of the 3 / gorilla glass 2

Enough variety to sate everyone imo this fall. I spent 3 months with a galaxy note when my iphone broke and damn I can't even use an iphone anymore, the thing is just too small for my internet browsing habits. I'd like the galaxy note 2 which is 5,5" and actually smaller than the note 5,3" note but the galaxy S3 crappy design is really putting me off, android also feels not as steamlined as WP8 or iOS out of the box.
 
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Wrathwitch

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guess it all depends on how long you are willing to wait for a new phone.

Nokia, the dumbasses, released a press conference on a device that the software isn't even fully integrated with the device yet. The press were only allowed to "not stray too far" from the home screen because the OS wasn't even completed properly yet. Thus the wait.

Personally if I were choosing between only Nokia and Apple, I would choose Apple. At least they have their shizz together when releasing a phone.

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Yea...
iPhone 5 : Metal casing / 4" probaly 720p ips that they'll probably call SUPER RETINA lol.../ same old boring iOS
Nokia : Polycarbonate / 4,5" high black levels 720p ips screen / refreshing design / gorilla glass 1 / best camera
Samsung : Polycarbonate & Metal casing / SAMOLED 4,8" / business design / lightweight / bigger battery of the 3 / gorilla glass 2

Enough variety to sate everyone imo this fall. I spent 3 months with a galaxy note when my iphone broke and damn I can't even use an iphone anymore, the thing is just too small for my internet browsing habits. I'd like the galaxy note 2 which is 5,5" and actually smaller than the note 5,3" note but the galaxy S3 crappy design is really putting me off, android also feels not as steamlined as WP8 or iOS out of the box.


Just as an FYI, I believe the NOkia 920 has a ceramic back and buttons.
 

Vegastouch

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is any one else looking at all 3? They all seem to be great upcoming phones and now with windows phone 8 being what it should have been at the beginning, I'm really considering switching. Not sure if I'm not going to wait until the other 2 come out and decide which one to go for. I'm not expecting the samsung to as well built as the iphone but I'm not sure what to expect from nokia these days. And we all know that the iphone is going to be well built (no question there)
anyway - what do you guys think about those 3?

Actually that Samsung phone seems to be well built as they all are imo, but that one has some metal on the back. However, of the 3 id be more interested n the Lumia 920.
 

Vegastouch

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Windows Phone is HORRIBLE!

I'll give you a simple example, WP fans are asking Microsoft for a notification centre, which means that as a UI paradigm, WP has failed, because tiles are supposed to be the notifiers.

Next, Apple specifically changed the switches in iOS from square to oval because human deals with oval shapes easier than squares... WP is all square.

The colours... or the lack of them, such a monotonous OS. iOS' colours are done with intelligence, it's obvious that lots of thought went into the UI colours. WP? Nothing.

The icons look like they were designed in MSPaint.

The OS does not appeal to users, they advertise it over and over, the hardware is great, but people just don't want to use it.

WP lacks applications, no one wants to bother with it unless Microsoft pays them.

Bottomline: If you think iOS is boring, you've got a surprise coming with WP, you'll be bored with it in less than a week and then you'll crawl back to the iPhone... like a bird on it's belly.

:rolleyes: Why did you even bother to reply since you obviously dont have a Windows phone? You havent used one....for any length of time anyways so this is all BS speculation on your part.

So let me refute.

The notifications are fine. Could they be a little better? Sure but they do a good job...and im talking about Windows 7. This thread is about the new Windows phones with a new and improved OS.

The OS DOES appeal to users or we wouldnt be having this discussion.

Your Apple comparison is stupid. iOS has been using square icons for 5 years and now you are saying they had a revelation? :rolleyes: Not to mention the Windows icons are a lot bigger than iOS are. And who cares about iOS's colors. These are two totally different OS for which you have no clue about one of them.

The only thing negative i can say about the homescreen on Windows is they could IMO make the tiles look more presentable somehow but its still fine...just could be better but the iPhone could be better as well and isnt free of negatives.

Microsofts App store is lacking a bit still but they have over 100,000 Apps and growing so there are many Apps there that are there that are also in iTunes and Android Market.
 
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Vegastouch

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Microsoft dumped a load of pain on every Windows Phone 7.5 buyer this year. Anybody who bought a phone up until the first WP8 phone is sold this year will NOT be able to upgrade their phone to WP8. Every single Windows Phone user right now can't go past v7.X.

Since that announcement, WP7 users have been dumping their phones on Ebay and Craigslist like crazy. I saw a listing on the XDA marketplace for a Lumia 900 selling for $205 today.

They will still get updated, though it is going to be called 7.8. What it will lack as opposed to WP8 i dont know but they are going to get an update.
 

Technarchy

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The latest news is the 920 will launch on November 2nd...two months after the reveal.

That's way too long. There was no reason to rush the reveal with 8 weeks till release and right in the eye of the iPhone 5 storm.

The 920 will now fall off most radars while everyone is thinking iPhone 5.

Just poor planning all around. Similar issues plagued the Lumia 900.

Such good products that deserve better from its host company.
 

Vegastouch

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The latest news is the 920 will launch on November 2nd...two months after the reveal.

That's way too long. There was no reason to rush the reveal with 8 weeks till release and right in the eye of the iPhone 5 storm.

The 920 will now fall off most radars while everyone is thinking iPhone 5.

Just poor planning all around. Similar issues plagued the Lumia 900.

Such good products that deserve better from its host company.

Not everyone is thinking iPhone 5. Not even in here. I have no interest in a iP5 but i do in the 920.
 

Technarchy

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One thing I don't like about the Lumia line is how thick they are. They just feel chunky in the hand compared to other phones with a similar screen size.
 

TonyC28

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And the 920's camera apparently isn't as good as advertised since they faked the video and pictures.
 

Vegastouch

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And the 920's camera apparently isn't as good as advertised since they faked the video and pictures.

It will be good. It has a good lens by Carl Zeiss so what they did doesnt make any difference to me. Im sure there will be plenty of images shown by those reviewing it for us to see.
 

Dr McKay

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Windows Phone is HORRIBLE!

I'll give you a simple example, WP fans are asking Microsoft for a notification centre, which means that as a UI paradigm, WP has failed, because tiles are supposed to be the notifiers.

Bottomline: If you think iOS is boring, you've got a surprise coming with WP, you'll be bored with it in less than a week and then you'll crawl back to the iPhone... like a bird on it's belly.

So did iOS fail for 4 Years? And I find Windows Phone so refreshing after iOS. The change is still welcomed. The issue with Live tiles being the notifications is that you don't have every tile pinned on your screen.


And the 920's camera apparently isn't as good as advertised since they faked the video and pictures.

Ive seen the real life comparisons and it was a fantastic camera.
 

damitssam

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Remember also that Ativ is gonna be on T-mobile. Which if you factor in the $20+ month savings a month for 24 months, adds up.
 

roxxette

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I will most likely choose iphone BUT i will def. pick the lumia over the samsung, theres something about windows phone calling my name :p
 

flameproof

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More choices = better.

I agree. But there is also saturation coming in. For many apps that point was already there long time ago. Do I need 50+ apps for the torch/flashlight function? Or how many compasses does a person need?

IMHO any of the 3 big systems out there has more then enough apps to chose from.
 

opinioncircle

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In the last 3 years, I will have moved from an iPhone to a Blackberry and to a third (yet to be known :D) phone.

The Nokias look solid, but I'm holding out for what the iPhone has to offer. I am looking for solid data management (calendar, contacts, power email). Not too much on the apps, though this is nice too.

I always had a soft spot for the brand (ever since the great E71). Here is my hoping the hardware will be top notch, and the software good enough to go through my daily needs (read, not play Angry Birds :D)....
 

cinek

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Actually that Samsung phone seems to be well built as they all are imo, but that one has some metal on the back. However, of the 3 id be more interested n the Lumia 920.

maybe, I recently picked up the galaxy s3 -and it feels rubbish, too much plastic. Feels like it's gonna break in my hand

I agree. But there is also saturation coming in. For many apps that point was already there long time ago. Do I need 50+ apps for the torch/flashlight function? Or how many compasses does a person need?

IMHO any of the 3 big systems out there has more then enough apps to chose from.

I was thinking the exact same thing
 

Cod3rror

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Do I need 50+ apps for the torch/flashlight function? Or how many compasses does a person need?

The thing is, there is a much more likelihood that in those 50+ torch/flashlight apps, there is going to be at least one or two really good ones.

With the ecosystem that does not have 50+ of similar apps, there is a chance that there is one but it's rubbish, then what? You've got no other choice.
 

novono

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I feel I need to set a few things straight here.

I'll give you a simple example, WP fans are asking Microsoft for a notification centre, which means that as a UI paradigm, WP has failed, because tiles are supposed to be the notifiers.

Personally, I don't see the need for a dedicated notification center. The tiles and social integration of the OS are more than adequate. As far as giving what users want, Microsoft has actually been amazingly responsive by implementing much wanted changes and pushing for user feedback, not only for their phone OS but also for W8 and their web apps. How many features have iPhone users been waiting for over the years? It seems a lot of people have short term memory loss.

Next, Apple specifically changed the switches in iOS from square to oval because human deals with oval shapes easier than squares... WP is all square.

The colours... or the lack of them, such a monotonous OS. iOS' colours are done with intelligence, it's obvious that lots of thought went into the UI colours. WP? Nothing.

The icons look like they were designed in MSPaint.

Windows 8 looks like one of those games made for 3 year olds.....the old thing going for it is all these office suits and xbox IMO.

Have you any idea of the history of design and how old skeuomorphism is? Do you really think an OS based on a graphic concept of copying familiar real-world objects is more intelligent than a minimalist, abstract design concept that relies heavily on content (what ultimately matters).

I would suggest anyone with an open mind to look at this comparison of similar apps on both iOS and WP and decide which of the two design choices is better: http://pocketnow.com/2012/06/17/which-looks-better-a-comparison-between-popular-apps-on-ios-and-windows-phone/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

WP lacks applications, no one wants to bother with it unless Microsoft pays them.

100,000 < 625,000

The thing is, there is a much more likelihood that in those 50+ torch/flashlight apps, there is going to be at least one or two really good ones.

With the ecosystem that does not have 50+ of similar apps, there is a chance that there is one but it's rubbish, then what? You've got no other choice.

Please use your common sense. More apps from the app store means a wider variety of choices. If there was only one color to choose from to paint your house, would you be more contempt as opposed to many more to choose from? More choices = better. If people generally have 50 apps on their device, does it make sense that the app store should only have 50 apps? NO!

There are 400,000 apps that have NEVER been downloaded from the app store. NEVER! ZERO. How many more do you think are downloaded by unsuspecting users who just as fast uninstall them from their phones? Quantity does not mean quality. Look at the multitude of crappy Android phones (or tablets) vs 1 Apple phone and 1 Apple tablet. Quantity does not mean quality.

I'll be the first to admit there are some very notable apps missing from the marketplace, but the limitation of the platform will be broken with WP8, hence leaving devs more to work with.

Microsoft dumped a load of pain on every Windows Phone 7.5 buyer this year. Anybody who bought a phone up until the first WP8 phone is sold this year will NOT be able to upgrade their phone to WP8. Every single Windows Phone user right now can't go past v7.X.

Since that announcement, WP7 users have been dumping their phones on Ebay and Craigslist like crazy. I saw a listing on the XDA marketplace for a Lumia 900 selling for $205 today.

Well, indeed, WP7 won't be able to upgrade to WP8. That sucks BUT 1. MS will implement as much as they can of WP8 onto older hardware (they've recently called for user feedback on specific features they'd want) 2. Devs will develop for both platforms for at least another year considering they would just alienate their userbase otherwise. 3. The shift was unavoidable and is a good thing for the future-proofing of the platform. Rather do it now than later. Could MS have been more transparent about it? Well, maybe.


And the 920's camera apparently isn't as good as advertised since they faked the video and pictures.

It is. Comparisons have been made on multiple websites and it blows everyone else away, pictures and video. The video wasn't deliberately faked. It seems the ad agency commissioned screwed up. Of course Nokia's still responsible for their bad oversight.

The Lumia 920 is actually a phone with killer features, innovation and design.

* PureView camera technology with optical image stabilization

* The 720p IPS display 331 PPI(Retina, take that Apple)

* Wireless charging with a pad or dock

* Lenses

* Nokia City Lens(augmented reality, eat your heart out)

* GloveTouch(the screen can respond to touches through gloves)

* Windows Phone 8 OS(oh lordy lordy)

Everything else is pretty much standard(32GB storage, Dual-core Snapdragon S4, capacitive on-screen buttons).
Source: theverge.com

Of course, that's not all (RichRecording, exclusive apps, etc) and the details about WP8's features would be too long to list (I'm just going to say I'm really excited about deep Skype integration, free native VOIP calls - accessible to 3rd party apps as well.). I would invite all you naysayers to head on to WP-centric website if you'd like to make an informed choice rather than regurgitate the same misleading and misinformed "opinions" written around the web.

I'll finish with what I think is a really revealing picture, both of the quality of the 920's camera and the clearly gorgeous next-generation design of the phone.

nokia-lumia-920-vs-iphone-4s-cameras-0.jpg
Here for the story behind the pic.
 

adildacoolset

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I agree. But there is also saturation coming in. For many apps that point was already there long time ago. Do I need 50+ apps for the torch/flashlight function? Or how many compasses does a person need?

IMHO any of the 3 big systems out there has more then enough apps to chose from.

So you're saying that if you want a flashlight app, you'd be happier if there was only one or two to choose from as opposed to more to choose from that you can pick which you can like better?

And the number of original iOS apps simply outnumbers the ones of windows mobile. Look at tiny wings, infinity blade, and that. As far as I've seen, unreal engine, id tech engine, unity engine, have no immediate support for windows mobile. And those are the number one mobile game engines!!!

There may be saturation coming in SOME categories, but personally I think it's nicer to have a wide variety of choices than fewer. iOS is not put at a disadvantage by having more choices, but windows mobile has a disadvantage of less choice.
 

cinek

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So you're saying that if you want a flashlight app, you'd be happier if there was only one or two to choose from as opposed to more to choose from that you can pick which you can like better?

And the number of original iOS apps simply outnumbers the ones of windows mobile. Look at tiny wings, infinity blade, and that. As far as I've seen, unreal engine, id tech engine, unity engine, have no immediate support for windows mobile. And those are the number one mobile game engines!!!

There may be saturation coming in SOME categories, but personally I think it's nicer to have a wide variety of choices than fewer. iOS is not put at a disadvantage by having more choices, but windows mobile has a disadvantage of less choice.

a flash light app is not the best example here as I couldn't give a ......... how it looks as long as it works. I agree that the more choice the better but that'll all change - ios didn't come with 600k apps when it first launched either - wp8 will get there
 

flameproof

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a flash light app is not the best example here as I couldn't give a .........

Games are not a good example either as I couldn't give a .......

IMHO all three OS have sufficient apps. That's the least I worry about.

Can only add, as an iPhone 4 user I was positively impressed how good the Lumia 800 was that I used for 5 days or so.
 
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