iTunes is dead. There is no iTunes now. Apple thankfully put it out of it's misery (at least on the Mac).
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iTunes is dead. There is no iTunes now. Apple thankfully put it out of it's misery (at least on the Mac).
Mojave was the last version to officially support (and run) iTunes. On Catalina the functionality was passed into Finder, Apple music etc.
Unsure what version you're running, but I answered the question. Why would there be an iTunes app on Big Sur if Apple killed it with Catalina?
I honestly teally don't personally care what hackery you're doing here.
Again, the question was asked about where iTunes was on Bug Sur. I stated clearly Apple have removed it from as from Catalina. Ergo there would not be an iTunes now in the list of standard preinstalled apps.
Folk doing wherever to install unsupported versions iTunes on newer operating systems is neither here, nor there.
It's not a supported app on Catalina, and won't be on Big Sur. End of.
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The question was: “Where’s the iTunes icon?” It was asked sarcastically.
I know Catalina does not officially support iTunes.
I know Big Sur does not officially support iTunes.
And I know that iTunes is officially dead.
Which is one of my reasons for staying in the desert.
But just because something, or someone, is officially declared dead does not necessarily mean that it, or they, are deceased.
Long live iTunes!
Unofficially.
PS. My iPod Classic is also still alive and very much kicking!
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Wow! A-ha!
I know Catalina does not officially support iTunes.
I know Big Sur does not officially support iTunes.
And I know that iTunes is officially dead.
Which is one of my reasons for staying in the desert.
But just because something, or someone, is officially declared dead does not necessarily mean that it, or they, are deceased.
Long live iTunes!
Unofficially.
PS. My iPod Classic is also still alive and very much kicking!
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Wow! A-ha!
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I just do not want an iTunes replacement, or 3 of them! Everything is in one place. I have one iTunes library for all my music. Bang the Classic in the dock, which has all my music, drop in new music, download the podcasts for the week, sync, out the door. And another iTunes library for my iPad. Connect, delete the shows I’ve watched, add new ones, sync, out the door. Easy. Music? Videos? Podcasts? CHECKBOXES!!? WTF. Never used a single checkbox in iTunes ever. Ha!
Don't know how msgr times i can say it. It's no longer an app Apple supports on newer Operating systems.
And that's it. Your personal issues do not a corporate decision make.
Listen, I get your annoyance over the decision. That said, did I, or did I not, answer the question factually?
If you want to complain about the reasons then that's fine, but stop twisting my reply into something it's not.
Ok?
Is factually incorrect. Stop trying to twist your own words into a pretzel.
Well explain how so then. I'd be fascinated for you to tell me that.
Which part of my post was factually incorrect?
Are you claiming that Apple still update iTunes on Catalina and Big Sur?
Apple has declared iTunes dead. But as I previously pointed out, just because someone is declared dead does not mean they are deceased. I am using iTunes right now, on both Mojave and Catalina, as I suspect is my supportive poster, ErikGrim - a great name for a mortician!
For me, the looks are the only things good about this so far. It seems that with every year, we end up with less and less control over our own OS environment. I'm sure that is by design. Probably only affects those that tend towards power user category. I'm getting tired of the annual fight for compatibility and stability. I wish they just took the last stable OS and improved on that, instead of going through all this.
isn't that what always happens? outside of, say, the transition from os9 to os x... aren't all new mac oses an improvement (perhaps i should put "improvement" in quotes) over the previous OS?
there are visible changes in big sur, but underneath, it seems to be an update of catalina, a revision... not a whole new thing.
i'd be ok if apple gave us a new os every 2 years, but apple does what it chooses to do. anyway, i enjoy going along for the ride, even if it's often a bumpy one.
My main complaint so far is that the UI is a bit "bigger" for lack of a better term. Basically, it feels like you went into Display settings and set it to "scaled" one notch bigger on the "Larger Text" side. On my test 13" Macbook Pro, I set it one notch towards "More Space" and it feels normal again. I don't like this, though, because the scaled settings don't look quite as sharp and crisp as "Default" does.
I'm not sure why they felt the need to do this. It was fine before, and in my line of work you need all the screen real-estate you can get.
I'm not sure why they felt the need to do this. It was fine before, and in my line of work you need all the screen real-estate you can get.
And I never said it otherwise. In fact I made sure I was abundantly clear about that.
I simply answered your question as to why there was no iTunes icon on Big Sur.
Nothing I said was factually wrong. Not a single thing. I never said iTunes could not be run on Big Sur - all I said was that it was no longer an official Apple app on Catalina and above, hence it's absense.
I'm really unsure just how much clearer I need to be here.
It is the flat look and all this white.
People said before it will look like this
Really flat look.
Everyone is moving to this look now many web sites, software, Microsoft, Apple and even many of the Linux distros.
This is new trendy thing.
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There are some very core design principles founded in usability. The lack of contrast and light text onto of a light-translucent background is objectively bad design. Everything else from the window chrome to the icons is just aesthetic preference that we'll adapt too.
If the final release of macOS Big Sur has usability issues I'm sure they'll increment just as they did on iOS.
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Honestly, they look like the kind of icons you'd see on a mockup display on a brandless Mac in some random Amazon marketing image.
Well yes some flat look UI can look lot nicer than other flat look UI.
And yes some flat look can have some contrast.
And flat look with colors not all white look much nicer.
iTunes was split earlier and dead now.
1. What to do with my earlier iPhone backups stored in external HDDs? Should I just delete them and now depend only on iCloud?
2. I had hundreds of mp3 's linked to iTunes library. How to use them, where are they?
Sorry, if my questions are dumb...
1. What to do with my earlier iPhone backups stored in external HDDs? Should I just delete them and now depend only on iCloud?
2. I had hundreds of mp3 's linked to iTunes library. How to use them, where are they?
Sorry, if my questions are dumb...
I'm actually pumped about this release ... but so far these dev betas have problems in my critical workflow path so I can't update on any meaningful machine of mine. Hopefully the next one or two betas will clean up those issues and I can jump in.
I wish they would tweak the overly rounded corners down a bit (which I can 100% guarantee won't happen), but outside of that ... the wasted space in some of the toolbars like Safari is just bad design for a computer system designed with high-precision pointers in mind. There's absolutely no need for that much space.
The other thing, is the all-white windows ... it's too much. The subtle gradient was much nicer in Catalina and provided better contrast. The all-white looks a bit childish as well, especially with some of the very "rainbow colored" overly pronounced icons mated with large rounded corners. Looks like an operating system for a teenage girl to some degree. Somewhere in-between would be nice.
The other thing, is the all-white windows ... it's too much. The subtle gradient was much nicer in Catalina and provided better contrast. The all-white looks a bit childish as well, especially with some of the very "rainbow colored" overly pronounced icons mated with large rounded corners. Looks like an operating system for a teenage girl to some degree. Somewhere in-between would be nice.
That just shows how much worse current design and QA teams are, they literally think that rounding everything is a good idea.
my entire quote was:
"i personally haven't made up my mind about it, and won't until i install the (public) beta. but there are people here on this forum who seem to like it, and (this might surprise you), apple didn't just have one guy design them, someone else sign off on them without even checking the work; people at apple must like this, and probably expect their customers to adapt... just as we have with every change in the past (the end of skeumorphism, for example)."
so yes, 'they literally think that rounding everything is a good idea'; if you see it differently, that's your right... to see it differently. it won't change what apple chooses to do.
1. You can use them in Finder, which has the iOS management
2. Your iTunes library will be upgraded to Music. You can either use that or continue to use iTunes using Retroactive.
I am looking forward to this new mac OS, but I will wait until all my third party applications are compatible with it. Most likely that will be when the 3rd version of Big Sur, OS 11.3, arrives. By that time, most of the bugs will be worked out. Meanwhile, Catalina works just fine, and is stable (and robust) enough, at least for me.
Typically, I see nothing earth shattering in Big Sur that would compel me to upgrade earlier. I just want a smooth, bug free experience, and that will only happen after all my apps are compatible.
Hey, so, I'm the guy who actually took your advice, the last time macOS had a visual change. Yosemite and newer look ugly, so I'm running Mavericks instead! (My case is a little different because I did upgrade at first, but downgraded back after many years because I couldn't take it anymore.)
And the good news is, you're right! I am running Mavericks, and I'm making it work, and on the whole I'm very happy with my computer right now. But, like, it's really hard sometimes!
Every time a coworker wants to do a Slack video call, I need to fire up VMWare Fusion and take the call inside my VM, because Slack video calls absolutely refuse to work in Mavericks. I've also spent many hours tracking down older, Mavericks-compatible versions of apps that either aren't sold anymore or aren't easily available for download. And, I spent days fixing the weather dashboard widget, partly because I legitimately prefer the dashboard, but also because under Mavericks, there's no Today View I can use instead.
If you too want to run a very old version of OS X, hit me up and I'll give you some tips. But, I don't think most people are as crazy as I am, and they don't really have a choice about whether to upgrade. They can hold out for a few years, sure, but the clock is ticking.
I assume many of the people who buy Macs for $1,000+ do so at least in part because they like the visual design. It's not as if you get your money back when Apple comes in and changes that design out from under you. I think users have a right to complain at minimum.
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