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Its not only the price and size that appeals to some/many, its the home button/touch ID that so many like and prefer.

There has been 5 generations between the 8/8+, X-XS-XR-11 and now SE2.

If Apple didn't see a US market for the SE2 they would have just kept selling the 8 in India and developing markets.

Its also clear people aren't rushing to buy $800 let along over $1000 phones when the 7s and 8s especially the plus ones are still adequate for most.

Home buttons work well with face coverings in addition.
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The fact there are 20 plus threads on page one about a 4.7 upgraded 8 is in itself telling.

I'd wait for the 8 Plus upgrade myself or if I had an 8 plus do nothing.
 
I sold my Xs to get the new SE because of the size.

I had the original back then, but it's too small now to be relevant. It's even hard to read stuff on its display.

Since Baseus have 2200mah batteries for the 6/7/8, I hope they will start offering one for the new SE too.

It gave a new life to my 6s.
 
IR blaster? Really? I control my tv linked over wifi.

Unfortunately, my Element TV in the kitchen is not a smart TV. My Yamaha surround sound has no wifi, only controllable via IR. I would rather use a phone vs. keeping up with multiple remotes. I did try the Harmony Hub but it constantly kept dropping the wifi making controlling impossible.

My Samsung Smart TVs tend to drop wifi to 'save power' after being off a few days. So I depend on IR a lot. Wifi seems great for Roku and Apple TV though.
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Hmm, actually the market has stated what they want. Larger screen is what majority wants. And when I said majority, I don't mean Americans who have desktops and laptops and only use their phones to make calls. I'm talking about the bulk majority of people who only have their phones as their primary device. They will use their phones for anything, including productivity and entertainment, thus the market prefer something with a large enough screen but still relatively handheld. The sweet spot seems to be merging at around 6".

If the market wanted smaller screens, any of the Android OEMs will make such phone to fulfill that demand. Reality said otherwise, and even Sony and Samsung gave up on that niche.

Do I like phablets? Not really. But I'm just glad Apple still make non Max phones and the new SE.

Correction. Most OEMs and companies today subscribe to the mindset of 'We make x, you will buy it and like it! If you do not, you'll get used to it and like it!'

No company in this day and age cares about the free market. It has become the reverse. They make a product, be it garbage or great, and people will line up anyway because either it carries and Apple logo or because it's the 'next big thing' and upgrading is a favored fashion given most folks feel like outcasts if they can't get something new every few years. keeping something until it breaks, repairing it and failing that, only then replacing it, has unfortunately become a lost art. The reality of a company going bankrupt by making a garbage product and people avoiding that product died off in the '70s.

Fact: NO ONE demanded that a product lose a headphone jack. The market had literally no say in that matter. It happened, no company lost sales, interpreted it as 'hey they buy it anyway, let's keep it without a jack!'

Same for IR blaster, SD cards, removable batteries, etc etc. If the tech reviewers didn't start it with their constant blasting of phones made of 'plastic' the whole metal and glass thing would not have happened. NO one, I mean NO ONE clamored to lose features and consider it an 'upgrade'. More like a very expensive downgrade. No one asked companies to get rid of the headphone jack, or the above. Consumerism and it being 'the norm' these days are the only thing keeping these companies from shooting themselves in the foot.

It really disappoints me that not long ago there was literally a phone for every person. Slider phones (Motorola Droid, Samsung Galaxy Relay), keyboard candy bar phones (BlackBerry), phones that were pretty universal (Samsung Omnia, Nokia N series) and phones that blended smart features with music and had very excellent speakers (HTC One M7, M8, Sony Walkman phone), gamer phones (the early Sony Xperia Plays), the works. Phones with any size screen. Total variety. Phones that had built in kickstands to double as small media players or alarm clocks(HTC Evo).

Now? All metal glass slabs devoid of buttons and carrying 1/3 the feature set of a phone made in 2009. But triple the price. Does that even make any sense? Oh but it has a gizillion cameras though! It is shiny!

Everytime a company starts to cater to the 'mainstream market' aka the consumerist idiots who MUST have something new every few years, things start to suck. Windows is one example. It has been completely dumbed down. Android too, Android is a shell of its former self doing a horrible impression of iOS, rooting killed both by locked bootloaders and Google SafetyNet.

Even the Mac has been dumbed down. When they start targeting morons, the whole tech world suffers. I'm dreading the day that gaming PCs and the level of control over them you get is taken away because some moron decided to overclock their CPU and burned the house down by leaving it unattended and the power supply exploded.
 
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Ha well I'm sure swiping from the edge of the screen left to right takes you back a step in whichever app you are in.
I’m aware of that so it isn’t an issue, when I mean one handed use is tricky with larger phones it’s more to do if I’m on a website and there is a button in the opposite corner and so on, also the physical size of the phone is just too big to grip without fear of it falling.
 
I’m aware of that so it isn’t an issue, when I mean one handed use is tricky with larger phones it’s more to do if I’m on a website and there is a button in the opposite corner and so on, also the physical size of the phone is just too big to grip without fear of it falling.
Hmm, maybe consider adding some grips (e.g. PopSocket)? I just ordered an Otterbox Symmetry with built-in PopSocket for my mom's 4.7" SE (she's switching from the 4" SE).
 
For a long time I was resistant to the size of the iPhone 6-and-since. At this point I decided that I wanted to jump forward to the recent processor, and I gradually came to accept that I was unlikely to get one new at a reasonable price unless I purchased this one, so I did. I'm happy to say that after a week and a half, the size of the new SE doesn't bother me. I agree that I can't use it one-handed very well, but I was doing MOST of my phone use two-handed anyway.
 
4.7" isn't that bad at all. I had a Galaxy SIII with the same display. It's just once they increase it, it will increase again, and again, and again, incrementally, hoping we won't notice. Before long after that, there will be zero solution to the huge screen issue. There needs to be smartphone variety again.

If I were in the market for a phone, I would happily buy a 3.5" display iPhone again. I really do miss that size.
 
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4.7" isn't that bad at all. I had a Galaxy SIII with the same display. It's just once they increase it, it will increase again, and again, and again, incrementally, hoping we won't notice. Before long after that, there will be zero solution to the huge screen issue. There needs to be smartphone variety again.
Sadly, smartphones are pretty much pocket PCs to most and a larger part of the market wants bigger phones. At least Apple still offers a 4.7" model. Situation appears to be even worse on the Android side were even cheap models are close to 6".

My worst-case solution to ever bigger phones is buying a maxed out 4.7" iPhone SE with monthly AppleCare+ while that's still an option and keeping it forever (or at least as long as I can get away with).
 
“fake SE”
Shots fired! It feels real to me! My first iPhone and to me it’s ideal, coming from a larger phone. I understand your perspective, because my wife came to the 7 (reluctantly!) from the SE.
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4.7" isn't that bad at all. I had a Galaxy SIII with the same display. It's just once they increase it, it will increase again, and again, and again, incrementally, hoping we won't notice. Before long after that, there will be zero solution to the huge screen issue. There needs to be smartphone variety again.

If I were in the market for a phone, I would happily buy a 3.5" display iPhone again. I really do miss that size.
This was precisely my feeling about the industry, and why I went to SE from S8 from S3. S3 had a perfect screen size, and I held onto it as long as I could. I like the SE screen even more.
 
I am actually planning on keeping my 6s until it dies. But I kept most of my non-Apple phones (still got a Galaxy S5 still working as a backup) and many are at or below 5" mark.

If there is an SE 3 later on, will it keep the 4.7" or be larger too?

I just can't understand the large displays. a Tablet will always be better for one's eyes watching video and even the largest phone display using for media will drain the battery fast and kill your eyes. Largest phone display is too large for a pocket or one-handed use, and too small to be proper tablet. I said this same thing when the Nexus 6 came out.

Personally I can't even understand how a modern phone is an 'upgrade' when it is missing many features my 6s and S5 both had in 2015 which is far more than what a modern one has. 3D Touch (which is still infinitely more intuitive than whatever they call the gesture system on 9 Pie Android or the iPhone X and up), Touch ID, Headphone jack, smaller display, home button, IR blaster (S5), removable battery (S5) and SD card (S5)
 
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I am actually planning on keeping my 6s until it dies. But I kept most of my non-Apple phones (still got a Galaxy S5 still working as a backup) and many are at or below 5" mark.

If there is an SE 3 later on, will it keep the 4.7" or be larger too?
Probably bigger display (around 2:1 aspect ratio) but with similar or smaller chassis as 4.7" iPhones.

Quite likely, it'll be same chassis as the rumored 5.4" iPhone 12 but with upgraded internals at which point, the design will be at least 3-4 years old and most people will be complaining about the dated design.

As for tablets, that's not a feasible expense for a lot of folks. For many particularly outside US, even a $400 SE is already stretching the budget.
 
My mom is threatening to buy a candy bar dumb phone because the new SE is too big lol. So OP you’re not the only one holding on to the 4in SE SCREEN.
 
My mom is threatening to buy a candy bar dumb phone because the new SE is too big lol. So OP you’re not the only one holding on to the 4in SE SCREEN.
My mom's too reliant on smartphones and cellular data now to be able to go back to dumb phones.

Indeed, main reason she's willing to upgrade is because last time they went on vacation, my dad's iPhone 11 had LTE data and her 2016 iPhone SE didn't (missing band 7 and 41). She's not a techie so she couldn't really do any troubleshooting like forcing 3G, etc (does iOS still allow that even?).
 
My mom's too reliant on smartphones and cellular data now to be able to go back to dumb phones.

Indeed, main reason she's willing to upgrade is because last time they went on vacation, my dad's iPhone 11 had LTE data and her 2016 iPhone SE didn't (missing band 7 and 41). She's not a techie so she couldn't really do any troubleshooting like forcing 3G, etc (does iOS still allow that even?).
Ya that’s her too. I’d call her bluff given she relies on Apple Pay and online banking. But it’d be funny for her to try. lol
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My mom's too reliant on smartphones and cellular data now to be able to go back to dumb phones.

Indeed, main reason she's willing to upgrade is because last time they went on vacation, my dad's iPhone 11 had LTE data and her 2016 iPhone SE didn't (missing band 7 and 41). She's not a techie so she couldn't really do any troubleshooting like forcing 3G, etc (does iOS still allow that even?).
Not even sure. When my phone when I travel falls back on 3g it’s useless. Not sure if they crippled 3g internet but I can’t use it.
 
Ya that’s her too. I’d call her bluff given she relies on Apple Pay and online banking. But it’d be funny for her to try. lol
My mom doesn't use ApplePay and while she occasionally uses her phone for mobile banking, it's not that mission critical.

Her biggest necessity is GPS (when she and my dad gets lost) and Uber/Lyft when they travel. Also, searching for restaurants and stuff.


Not even sure. When my phone when I travel falls back on 3g it’s useless. Not sure if they crippled 3g internet but I can’t use it.
Yeah. Could be just super congested, too.
 
T-Mobile still has EDGE in spots where I live (that's how my dad was still using an original 2007 iPhone in 2015) but if you're unfortunate to catch signal and drop to E, it won't do data anymore. 3G is doing that in spots too. 3G is on its way out, so most of the towers are still on, but nobody home. Like plugging into a router without a WAN connection to the internet.

My 6S can catch a E or 3G but no data works and no phone calls. It can text though. No iMessage. Airplane mode on/off restores 4G/LTE.

I should have no issue keeping my Apple stuff for a long time. I still have a working iPhone 4 on its original battery as well as a PowerBook G4 Titanium with its battery still somewhat usable. Apple products live a long time. Short of LTE one day dying off like 3G I am ok.
 
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Everyone's circumstance is different, but as the OP of this thread I'll give you mine:

In my case, you're absolutely right. I have not been using the older SE because it's the "cheap" iPhone...I've been using it because it's the smallest (and still capable) iPhone.

Several years back I was using an iPhone 5 (I forget if that was the specific model). I was upgrading every year with every new iPhone release. When they came out with the 6 and the 6+ I was intrigued by the larger size and got the 6+. It didn't take me very long to realize that these larger iPhones weren't for me. I still wanted to upgrade, though, so I gave my wife the 6+ and bought a 6. I used that for a while, and was mostly pretty happy with it, but I did notice that the one-handed usability had taken a step back. FWIW, I noticed that when going from the 4s to the 5, but it was still manageable. Similarly, going from the 5 to the 6 was another step back for one-handed usability, but it, too, seemed "manageable."

After that, when the 7 and then the 8 came out, I wasn't impressed enough to upgrade. You should remember/know (if you weren't a smartphone user back then) that this was around the time that all of the cell carriers got rid of the subsidized pricing. It used to be that you'd buy a phone for a couple hundred dollars and be "locked in" to the carrier for 2 years. After 2 years, you'd be eligible again for the subsidized pricing. As a family of 3, I could work the system by upgrading my phone every single year and giving my wife or daughter my hand-me-down iPhone. When I upgraded from the 6 to the 6s, that was the last year that subsidized pricing existed. When the 7 came out, there was no subsidized pricing anymore, so you were now paying a lot more for an iPhone (the impact of this was lessened by somewhat lower monthly rates, but there were also many of us on grandfathered plans that seemed better in some way to the newer plans, so many of us chose to stay under older plans).

The 7 and 8 releases seemed fairly boring, so combined with the increased cost, it just didn't seem like "enough" of an upgrade for me to get excited about, and I continued to use my 6s.

When the X came out, it was a big enough upgrade that I was interested in it, but I was worried about the larger size, and the price was off the charts compared to what I had been accustomed to spending prior to that.

When the Xs came out, I was doing pretty well financially and was open to spending some money on it. The photo samples are what interested me most, as by then the photo quality between my 6s and the Xs were quite significant. So I did it...I spent the money on an unlocked Xs. I loved the camera, but I didn't like the added size/weight, poor one-handed usability, or Facetime. The one-handed usability is what I really disliked, though, so when the original SE came out, I was excited about going back to a much better (but still not perfect) one-hand-friendly iPhone. I did it, and have been fairly happy with it, but the camera quality sucks compared to my Xs, and the battery life has been poor, too.

So then I went into a mode of periodically switching between my Xs and my SE. I loved the Xs photos, but preferred the one-handed usability and pocketability of the SE. It's such a tough choice that I still can't declare a clear winner, but I found myself leaning towards the SE by a small margin.

When rumors of the new SE started to leak, I found myself intrigued. I knew it wasn't *as small* as the older 5/SE, but it was smaller than the Xs and it offered a much better camera than the older SE. So I decided to take a chance on it. I may find that I still prefer my older SE more (though I'd probably need a battery upgrade, if I decided to go back to it). But I suspect that the reality will be that I'll find it to be an acceptable compromise for 2020.

very relatable. Wife and I mindlessly upgraded every year until I returned my 6 (She kept her 6+ and keeps upgrading, but she has a purse and the we was basically too big for her hands anyway). Fortunately other than camera they’ve been no new features since we that I’ve found the least bit compelling. I got the new se bc for some reason I forgot how the 6 felt. But the new is so slick I dropped it a couple of times trying to go one-handed (I’m 6’ male with above average says hands, at least that’s what my wife tells me lol). So I’ve returned the new one. The other great thing is I don’t need a case bc the original se isn’t expensive and I’ve dropped it countless times w/ little to no injury. I dropped the new se one time and it looked like I put it in a blender.
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I'm in this crummy situation now where my 2017 iPhone SE is showing its age more and more almost on a daily basis and there's no real upgrade path. Any phone I'd purchase is bigger than I'd like.

It's like having an old Toyota Camry that you're ready to move on from but the only other vehicles on the market are Hummers.

Heard, I think my new upgrade system will be going from refurbished de to refurbished se
I'm in this crummy situation now where my 2017 iPhone SE is showing its age more and more almost on a daily basis and there's no real upgrade path. Any phone I'd purchase is bigger than I'd like.

It's like having an old Toyota Camry that you're ready to move on from but the only other vehicles on the market are Hummers.

Heard, my new upgrade path is gong from refurb se to refurb se. Of course my only issue is hardware breaking down, I haven’t noticed any features worth upgrading for (Better camera would be nice but my wife takes enough photos for several families)
 
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Welp, my iPhone SE2020 128GB (white) arrived yesterday and I've been using it since last night. Sadly, my worst fears were realized...it's noticeably worse than my old SE for one-handed use. It had been a few years since I had last used the 6/6s, so I guess I had forgotten. Or perhaps my most recent 1-2 years of using the older SE (which I upgraded to from the Xs I briefly used) had simply spoiled me for one-handed use. And, as I've stated before, I don't even consider the older SE form factor to be ideal for one-handed use (the iPhone 3GS gets that award).

Am I going to box it up and return it? Probably not. I mentioned before that the thing bothering me the most about the older SE was the camera. I really missed the better PQ of the Xs, and the SE2020 is slightly smaller/lighter than my Xs. Compared directly, the difference seems minimal. So much so that I'm wondering, once again, if I should just go back to using the Xs, which will give me a larger display and dual cameras in the back. But doing a "grip" test, I can definitely feel the difference between the SE2020 and Xs. I can grip it better and the weight difference is noticeable, too.

But compared to the older SE, this SE2020 just feels so awkward to use one-handed. It's not helped by the fact that Apple insists on making all of their devices so darn slippery. Rounded, polished aluminum sides and a glass back? Sure, it looks pretty, but I want a phone that I can securely use one-handed. Now that Jony Ive is gone, Apple needs to hire some folks from OXO. The added height and even weight distribution of the SE2020 results in device feeling top-heavy, because the most natural/comfortable way to hold these phones has you resting the bottom on your pinky, with three fingers fanned out on the back, but the top (index) finger only reaches up about halfway - 2/3 of the way up the back. Then, when you want to tap on something higher up on the screen, you have to shift/adjust your "grip" of the phone, and it feels much less secure.

With my Xs I had to buy an ultra-thin matte case. If I stick with this SE2020, I'll have to do the same. It still won't be good enough. Perhaps one of those stupid PopSocket (or similar) will be needed. Ugh...I hate that I'd need to do that.
 
But compared to the older SE, this SE2020 just feels so awkward to use one-handed. It's not helped by the fact that Apple insists on making all of their devices so darn slippery. Rounded, polished aluminum sides and a glass back? Sure, it looks pretty, but I want a phone that I can securely use one-handed. Now that Jony Ive is gone, Apple needs to hire some folks from OXO. The added height and even weight distribution of the SE2020 results in device feeling top-heavy, because the most natural/comfortable way to hold these phones has you resting the bottom on your pinky, with three fingers fanned out on the back, but the top (index) finger only reaches up about halfway - 2/3 of the way up the back. Then, when you want to tap on something higher up on the screen, you have to shift/adjust your "grip" of the phone, and it feels much less secure.

With my Xs I had to buy an ultra-thin matte case. If I stick with this SE2020, I'll have to do the same. It still won't be good enough. Perhaps one of those stupid PopSocket (or similar) will be needed. Ugh...I hate that I'd need to do that.
I went through this when I first switched to the iPhone 6. Bought a bunch of cases until settling on the Speck CandyShell Grip. Adds around 30-40g and considerable thickness but for me, the increased "grippiness" more than made up for it.

In your case, might be worth looking at alternative cases for your Xs.
 
I went through this when I first switched to the iPhone 6. Bought a bunch of cases until settling on the Speck CandyShell Grip. Adds around 30-40g and considerable thickness but for me, the increased "grippiness" more than made up for it.

In your case, might be worth looking at alternative cases for your Xs.
Thanks for the recommendation, but I think my daughter has used Speck cases before, and I don't think I want something that bulky. This is the case I have for my Xs:

It's super-thin and matte, so it offers some nice grip, but probably not much protection. I may see if they (or anyone) makes something similar for the new SE, as I think I'll probably give my wife my Xs.
 
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Thanks for the recommendation, but I think my daughter has used Speck cases before, and I don't think I want something that bulky. This is the case I have for my Xs:

It's super-thin and matte, so it offers some nice grip, but probably not much protection. I may see if they (or anyone) makes something similar for the new SE, as I think I'll probably give my wife my Xs.

Yep I have a similar case for my 11 Pro which I use when I’m going abroad.
 
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