Note 7: Greatest display ever made according to Displaymate

[MRU]

I think we've reached a point where we won't be seeing any large leaps in the quality of sensory tech, such as displays or sound. Sure, there will be improvements, but mostly on paper for people to argue over while in real world usage the improvement is tiny.

Completely agree, and in hindsight I feel a bit of a fool for spending €500+ more on a TV with 10 bit HDR over the version without
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But they'll be even better in 2018, but I'm personally holding out for the displays in 2020. They'll really blow your socks off.

So sock blowing technology is set to replace HDR ?

 

[spinedoc77]

I think we've reached a point where we won't be seeing any large leaps in the quality of sensory tech, such as displays or sound. Sure, there will be improvements, but mostly on paper for people to argue over while in real world usage the improvement is tiny.

With the exception being VR, of course depending on how well it is accepted or if it flops. The PS4 VR experience is what will push it all forward, although interestingly enough it's the lowest resolution out of other VR solutions out there. I'm hoping that by the time the PS5 gets released VR will be in full swing and the PS5 will be geared towards that. VR is also a great way to push for higher resolution smartphones, which may or may not be a good thing. It's pushing video cards for PC's as well.

Or VR will flop and no one will care, who knows.

 

[willmtaylor]

Completely agree, and in hindsight I feel a bit of a fool for spending €500+ more on a TV with 10 bit HDR over the version without
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So sock blowing technology is set to replace HDR ?

4D, man!

 

[MRU]

With the exception being VR, of course depending on how well it is accepted or if it flops. The PS4 VR experience is what will push it all forward, although interestingly enough it's the lowest resolution out of other VR solutions out there. I'm hoping that by the time the PS5 gets released VR will be in full swing and the PS5 will be geared towards that. VR is also a great way to push for higher resolution smartphones, which may or may not be a good thing. It's pushing video cards for PC's as well.

Or VR will flop and no one will care, who knows.

Biggest problem with VR is the fact it's really a 'solitaire' pursuit. If hardware manufacturers and the movie industry couldn't get families to sit around and put on a pair of 3D glasses each, then VR has no hope of really being anything other than a niche solo pursuit.

I actually cancelled my PS-VR headset after reading the space requirements for it to properly function, and a rather meh launch line up. I'll wait this one out and see how it develops, but I do suspect it overall impact will be just be like a fart in a wind tunnel.

 

[Fernandez21]

With the exception being VR, of course depending on how well it is accepted or if it flops. The PS4 VR experience is what will push it all forward, although interestingly enough it's the lowest resolution out of other VR solutions out there. I'm hoping that by the time the PS5 gets released VR will be in full swing and the PS5 will be geared towards that. VR is also a great way to push for higher resolution smartphones, which may or may not be a good thing. It's pushing video cards for PC's as well.

Or VR will flop and no one will care, who knows.

Well, the thing is the display quality in VR is lower then what is standard, so even a big leap there is just catch-up to the quality we normally get on our tv's/phones/tablets/computers. That's what I mean by no real huge leaps going forward, just small and steady refinements.

Also, only talking about the quality of the image able to be produced, not the hardware. There is still a ton that can be done there along with power consumption.

 

[epicrayban]

Oh I don't see it as a problem either, but i was just genuinely reflecting that as someone who just spent a lot of money getting into the whole HDR movie section - the reality after doing so was a little underwhelming compared to the 'perceived' benefit that manufacturers and content providers were asserting about HDR epxeically in their promo / marketing material.

For sure. Hype and reality can be very different. No doubt Samsung will market it hard, especially if no one else can match what they're offering.

 

[spinedoc77]

Biggest problem with VR is the fact it's really a 'solitaire' pursuit. If hardware manufacturers and the movie industry couldn't get families to sit around and put on a pair of 3D glasses each, then VR has no hope of really being anything other than a niche solo pursuit.

I actually cancelled my PS-VR headset after reading the space requirements for it to properly function, and a rather meh launch line up. I'll wait this one out and see how it develops, but I do suspect it overall impact will be just be like a fart in a wind tunnel.

Yeah I see your point, it may be relegated to the mountain dew/Cheetos crowd (of which I'm guilty of from time to time when time allows). I had a HTC Vive and thought it was incredible, but in the end returned it due to various reasons which boiled down to the industry just not being ready yet. But I will be getting a PS VR when they come out mainly because so many mainstream developers and games have been announced.

I do think that the interactive nature of VR gives it a significant advantage over the 3d industry. In VR you will be able to see and interact with someone else in the room also on VR, for example. But these things haven't been hashed out yet. With that said, personally I see more of a future in AR such as MS HoloLens, or really a combination of VR and AR.

What I see as the main pitfalls though is that hardware and software isn't ready yet, but the industry is pushing the VR paradigm as if they were ready. This will give the consumer a poor experience and leave them with a bad taste of VR. It's a shame Oculus got eaten up by Facebook, they are making a lot of mistakes which will lead to their demise IMO.

 

[Oohara]

Yeah I see your point, it may be relegated to the mountain dew/Cheetos crowd (of which I'm guilty of from time to time when time allows). I had a HTC Vive and thought it was incredible, but in the end returned it due to various reasons which boiled down to the industry just not being ready yet. But I will be getting a PS VR when they come out mainly because so many mainstream developers and games have been announced.

I do think that the interactive nature of VR gives it a significant advantage over the 3d industry. In VR you will be able to see and interact with someone else in the room also on VR, for example. But these things haven't been hashed out yet. With that said, personally I see more of a future in AR such as MS HoloLens, or really a combination of VR and AR.

What I see as the main pitfalls though is that hardware and software isn't ready yet, but the industry is pushing the VR paradigm as if they were ready. This will give the consumer a poor experience and leave them with a bad taste of VR. It's a shame Oculus got eaten up by Facebook, they are making a lot of mistakes which will lead to their demise IMO.

Did you guys ever watch a regular movie in VR? The dudes at one of my carrier's shops in town were saying how it's awesome to watch movies using the Gear VR. Of course they were trying to sell me the Note 7 preorder incl. free Gear VR... But at this point I'm pretty much decided on the N7 anyway though so I'll probably be able to try this myself soon.

But yeah, if you did, how was it? I could see myself using VR alone for a movie or series now and then provided the VR format was available. The Note 7's resolution and screen quality should certainly be good enough.

 

[Zwhaler]

I compared one side by side yesterday with my S6 edge+. The Note looked worse. Whites were not as white and slightly brownish by comparison. I didn't look much beyond that. S7 edge also looks worse than mine. My replacement S6 edge+ from last year has a much better display than the first one. Anyway, I'm excited for Samsung UHD panels.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Did you guys ever watch a regular movie in VR? The dudes at one of my carrier's shops in town were saying how it's awesome to watch movies using the Gear VR. Of course they were trying to sell me the Note 7 preorder incl. free Gear VR... But at this point I'm pretty much decided on the N7 anyway though so I'll probably be able to try this myself soon.

But yeah, if you did, how was it? I could see myself using VR alone for a movie or series now and then provided the VR format was available. The Note 7's resolution and screen quality should certainly be good enough.

I have plenty of times, from an artificial distance perspective. Basically the Netflix VR app makes it feel like your sitting on the couch watching your 80 inch Living room TV. And the Samsung app makes it feel like you're watching a giant movie screen while sitting in the theater. You can even select differ theaters, like public, home, and even the moon.

It's an awesome experience.

 

[tbayrgs]

I compared one side by side yesterday with my S6 edge+. The Note looked worse. Whites were not as white and slightly brownish by comparison. I didn't look much beyond that. S7 edge also looks worse than mine. My replacement S6 edge+ from last year has a much better display than the first one. Anyway, I'm excited for Samsung UHD panels.

Are you sure they store didn't have the blue filter (their version of Apple's Night shift) option on? I checked out the Note 7 yesterday at Best Buy and after poking around the settings, discovered this was turned on--same for the model next to me.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Well, the thing is the display quality in VR is lower then what is standard, so even a big leap there is just catch-up to the quality we normally get on our tv's/phones/tablets/computers. That's what I mean by no real huge leaps going forward, just small and steady refinements.

Also, only talking about the quality of the image able to be produced, not the hardware. There is still a ton that can be done there along with power consumption.

I'm just speaking on the Gear VR, not any stand alone VR.

The quality is already satisfactory when it come to downloaded content. But of course more 4k display with more ppi density will make the quality even better.

What sucks about VR at the moment, is the streaming quality. Anything less than an optimal stream makes streaming VR show in bad quality.

 

[Oohara]

I have plenty of times, from an artificial distance perspective. Basically the Netflix VR app makes it feel like your sitting on the couch watching your 80 inch Living room TV. And the Samsung app makes it feel like you're watching a giant movie screen while sitting in the theater. You can even select differ theaters, like public, home, and even the moon.

It's an awesome experience.

Hey thanks, sounds like something I wouldn't mind at all experimenting with a bit. Getting dangerously close to pulling the trigger on this N7 deal...

 

[scott craft]

Samsung is really knocking it out of the park lately with their displays and I'm glad they keep pushing the envelope, but the screen alone isn't going to be why I get the Note 7 if I do get it, but it sure will be a nice plus.

 

[spinedoc77]

Did you guys ever watch a regular movie in VR? The dudes at one of my carrier's shops in town were saying how it's awesome to watch movies using the Gear VR. Of course they were trying to sell me the Note 7 preorder incl. free Gear VR... But at this point I'm pretty much decided on the N7 anyway though so I'll probably be able to try this myself soon.

But yeah, if you did, how was it? I could see myself using VR alone for a movie or series now and then provided the VR format was available. The Note 7's resolution and screen quality should certainly be good enough.

I definitely have and it's a cool experience, but not something I'd regularly do. Occasionally if I can't sleep I'll put on my gear vr and headphones and watch a movie or something on youtube. But I'd much rather just watch it on a screen. It's useful for situations like mine, or being on a plane, etc. Now the VR content is pretty cool, and I can't wait for VR movies to be released. As for the quality, it's just ok. That close to your eyes you are going to see pixels, that's why smartphone resolution needs to be bumped up IMO. But there are other annoying things as well, your field of view is still pretty narrow, and it's all blurry except exactly where you are looking. It's still uncomfortable to wear the headset, it's a pain to put the phone in and not hit a button accidentally, the phone can overheat quite easily, etc etc.

 

[Sensamic]

Have any of you actually got a HDR 4K TV and viewed HDR content?

I simply ask because as I purchased one only a few weeks ago and there are only a very few handful of 4k blu-ray that even support it, I'll be frank - after watching both deadpool and batman vs superman in 4k blu-ray with HDR on my shiny new 2016 10bit HDR TV - the difference wasn't really that different to watching the regular 1080p blu-ray on my regular 1080p LG TV in old fashioned 8bit FHD.

HDR is definetly nice to have, but the difference that the manufacturers are claiming it has on the end result and the difference all these artificial 'side by side' demos things show online - when actually in practice the real difference isn't anywhere near as clear cut. It's a modicum better, it's not like the leap from SD to FHD. I was expecting more, and whilst you do get 'more' its not the giant leap they are claiming.

Indeed I would wager the majority of users watching side by side between HDR and non HDR with displays calibrated to same - would not notice any difference at all.

I even paid more for a 2016 4K TV with 10 bit HDR because I bought into the HDR is the next big thing. But after now watching 4k blu-ray and 4k HDR netflix, i have a real suspicion it was just another 'tagline' that they can use to sell more TV's rather than this major tangible difference. It's almost like the new 3D.

Exactly. It's called marketing. There will always be a new feature to sell new products.

I've been wanting to buy a new TV for years now. Got a 10 year old 47 inch Sony 1080P TV and it's just awesome. I've been looking for nice deals over the past years to upgrade to a smart TV with 4K, 3D, etc. But time after time I end seeing no real reason to get rid of my Sony TV, which still works great.

There's still not enough 4K or 3D content. I'd like a smart TV OS, but I have a smartphone, tablet and laptop right next to me all the time, plus a Mac Mini with Plex connected to the TV.

Right now there's a nice deal for a 49 inch Phillips 4K smart TV for 459€. Very cheap, but still can't see any real reason to buy it. I won't use 4K because there's still not enough content.

 

[Elwots]

If only we could get that display on an iPhone. Android is just too fragmented and software support is almost non existent. I'll be sticking with what works flawlessly, for now.

 

[MRU]

I use Netflix on Gear VR but even go what others have said already. It's has its drawbacks such as you can see the pixels and if the TV programme or movie is dark then it does introduce a lot of artifacts and mpeg compression. Stranger Things looked terrible so ended up just watching on my TV for example.

When it does work though it works well, but it won't be replacing the TV just yet.

 

[epicrayban]

I use Netflix on Gear VR but even go what others have said already. It's has its drawbacks such as you can see the pixels and if the TV programme or movie is dark then it does introduce a lot of artifacts and mpeg compression. Stranger Things looked terrible so ended up just watching on my TV for example.

When it does work though it works well, but it won't be replacing the TV just yet.

That's why the higher and more powerful displays.

After using VR, I learned to appreciate why displays need to go higher. VR is very impressive and fun, but as you said, you can see where it needs to grow. And resolution is one of them.

 

[JayIsAwesome]

But .... But .... The human eye can't tell the difference.

Ha, the shade is all too real
[doublepost=1470891508][/doublepost]And totally not surprised by this. Like I've said before, Samsung's been kicking ass and they deserve the praise they're getting. The S7/S7 edge was brilliant. The processor, camera, software, screen tech...and now the Note7 takes the reigns. And I honestly can't wait until the S8 launches. Sammy's 4K panels are gonna kick all kinds of ass. Yep, Samsung is going next gen with UHD panels...while the iPhone will still have a 750p display in 2017.

Good job, Samsung. Keep doing your thing. Honestly hope the Note7 is a smashing success, with record breaking numbers. The phone is awesome

 

[UAV]

If only we could get that display on an iPhone. Android is just too fragmented and software support is almost non existent. I'll be sticking with what works flawlessly, for now.

there is no fragmentation when your only using 1 device, and flawless is 1 one thing the iphone is not. if i had a penny for everytime my android phone bailed me out of something my iphone could not do. i'd be a very rich man.

 

[The Game 161]

If only we could get that display on an iPhone. Android is just too fragmented and software support is almost non existent. I'll be sticking with what works flawlessly, for now.

Next year it's coming

 

[epicrayban]

if i had a penny for everytime my android phone bailed me out of something my iphone could not do. i'd be a very rich man.

100% this. It still shocks me sometimes what the iPhone -- the world's most advanced mobile operating system -- cannot do.

 

[jamezr]

100% this. It still shocks me sometimes what the iPhone -- the world's most advanced mobile operating system -- cannot do.

Completely agree.......I love my iphone and will get an iphone 7. But sometimes it is maddening how restricted IOS is...simple little things like arranging icons on my homescreen in the order I see fit! How simple would that be to change?
I mean I use a picture of my two boys as a wallpaper and the icons cover their faces and I can't move the icons to the bottom of the screen so their faces show.

 

[spinedoc77]

I use Netflix on Gear VR but even go what others have said already. It's has its drawbacks such as you can see the pixels and if the TV programme or movie is dark then it does introduce a lot of artifacts and mpeg compression. Stranger Things looked terrible so ended up just watching on my TV for example.

When it does work though it works well, but it won't be replacing the TV just yet.

Off topic, but anyone who grew up in the 80s (and even if you didnt) has to watch Stranger Things. Im only on episode 6 so far but highly enjoy it.