MP 1,1-5,1 Obsolete, Use OpenCore instead | What you need to do to make Catalina work with MacPro5,1

[tsialex]

10.15 DP2 still works with a MP5,1, after you install it with VMware Fusion 11.1 to a rawDisk:

Still no support for BCM94322MC:

 

[Macschrauber]

also DosDude Patcher 1b6 installed directly on 5.1

 

[crjackson2134]

Finally starting the install of DP2: View attachment 843521

If installed by using the fusion method, will it update normally or is it a “from scratch” method needed?

 

[dlwg]

If installed by using the fusion method, will it update normally or is a “from scratch” method needed?

It will not update normally. At least this did not work for me.

 

[tsialex]

If installed by using the fusion method, will it update normally or is a “from scratch” method needed?

Updates have the same Distribution file as full installs, so, the answer is no.

Said that, in the future you can use VMware Fusion to bootstrap the update or you can use a patch from @Czo that emulates VMM and makes the Distribution file to think you are running from a VM.

Btw, DP2 is a full release. Not a differential one. Software Update downloads the full 6,5GB even on a supported Mac.

 

[startergo]

Waiting for this AIO tool:
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...nsupported-macs.2183772/page-37#post-27455096

 

[tsialex]

Waiting for this AIO tool:
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...nsupported-macs.2183772/page-37#post-27455096

Everyone should do what it's easier and most convenient, said that, I really prefer standard installs.

If I ever gonna use a patch with a MP5,1 will be the VMM patch, SUVMMFaker - just to have normal software updates.

 

[Alaska_guy]

I hear Catalina doesn't require metal capable GPU's. Is this true?

 

[mattspace]

AC wifi card - pci14e4,43a0 (BCM4360 variant afaik) would that theoretically be supported in Catalina?

*edit* checked thread again, looks like a yes?

 

[PeterHolbrook]

I hear Catalina doesn't require metal capable GPU's. Is this true?

Acceleration for some non-Metal GPUs was achieved for the first beta of Catalina, and it has been been achieved, once again (at least partially) for the second beta. It is unknown whether this will work for the GM version of Catalina.

 

[tsialex]

I hear Catalina doesn't require metal capable GPU's. Is this true?

False.

METAL is everywhere on Catalina. People hacking it to make it work with unsupported Macs without METAL GPUs are patching subsystems Catalina everywhere - even Xcode needs it for the iOS simulators now.

Maybe people hacking Catalina will succeed down the road, with a unsupported Mac that can't change the GPU it's the only way to run 10.15. With a Mac Pro it's one of the things that even if you can do, you shouldn't.
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AC wifi card - pci14e4,43a0 (BCM4360 variant afaik) would that theoretically be supported in Catalina?

*edit* checked thread again, looks like a yes?

It's on the first post…

 

[tsialex]

Catalina DP2 changes in the install process made it a little more complex to install, whatever way you are using to install it.

With VMware Fusion it's the same install process as DP1, but it's a lot more temperamental. With DP1 you can almost automatise installs, but with DP2 sometimes the VM tries to boot the wrong disk or won't find any disks since macOS sometimes just kidnap the disk.

Perhaps DP3 will be more stable and easier to install.

 

[bookemdano]

Catalina DP2 changes in the install process made it a little more complex to install, whatever way you are using to install it.

With VMware Fusion it's the same install process as DP1, but it's a lot more temperamental. With DP1 you can almost automatise installs, but with DP2 sometimes the VM tries to boot the wrong disk or won't find any disks since macOS sometimes just kidnap the disk.

Perhaps DP3 will be more stable and easier to install.

It's also more difficult to install using the method of attaching the disk to a Catalina-supported Mac? Can you say what has changed with that method since DP1?

 

[tsialex]

It's also more difficult to install using the method of attaching the disk to a Catalina-supported Mac? Can you say what has changed with that method since DP1?

If you erase the disk and start from scratch, DP2 installs without problem and the installation process is seamless.

Upgrading a DP1 install to DP2 is something else, even if you use a supported Mac to upgrade DP1 to DP2 with a external disk, sometimes it won't work.

Checking build dates, seems DP1 and DP2 were developed in parallel, this probably explain that enormous changelog and the problems with updates.

 

[Objectivist-C]

Do the Mojave-compatible Nvidia cards (680, 780, etc.) work better on DP2 or are there still graphical glitches?

 

[Speedstar]

also DosDude Patcher 1b6 installed directly on 5.1

View attachment 843532

what about gtx680 video glitches/ any METAL workarounds for sidecar?( maybe to early to ask about sidecar again bluetooth nedeed, dors it work without handsoff and wifi through Ethernet router? and without AMD Radeon?)
[doublepost=1560905851][/doublepost]and what does this quote mean:
„Mac Pros also require to be running non dual x55xx CPUs (like X56xx) to omit audio stuttering. An installer to enable these systems is available here.“
(catalina on unsupported thread//
installing rEFIt bootmanager having efi-macEdition-video-card is not an option for me SAVE ME PLEASE.)
what kind of trouble will I have with dual CPU @macPro5.1 ?

and what about SOUND @DP2?

 

[tsialex]

Do the Mojave-compatible Nvidia cards (680, 780, etc.) work better on DP2 or are there still graphical glitches?

I posted the DP2 notes yesterday on the first post of the thread. Check there after every new release.
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what about gtx680 video glitches/ any workarounds for sidecar?
[doublepost=1560905851][/doublepost]and what does this quote mean:
„Mac Pros also require to be running non dual x55xx CPUs (like X56xx) to omit audio stuttering. An installer to enable these systems is available here.“
(catalina on unsupported thread)
what kind of trouble will I have with dual CPU @macPro5.1 ?

and what about SOUND ?

Read the MP4,1 dual CPU audio problem here Strange Audio Issue on MP 4,1>5,1 Mojave 10.14.4.

 

[Speedstar]

Dear tsiAlex could you change first post please,
so that there is difference between difficulties on DP1,DP2 and so on, reading it I have no clue the screenshot belongs with notes to which version.

And I finally have found something interesting too for users of all macs mid 2012:

Availability
The developer preview of macOS Catalina is available to Apple Developer Program members at developer.apple.com starting today, and a public beta program will be available to Mac users next month at beta.apple.com. macOS Catalina will be available this fall as a free software update for Macs introduced in mid-2012 or later. For more information, visit apple.com/macos/catalina-preview. Features are subject to change. Some features may not be available in all regions or languages.

found on

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2019/06/apple-previews-macos-catalina/

hope cMP 5.1 is not killed by Apple yet
I submitted bug report @devapplebetaseed

 

[tsialex]

Dear tsiAlex could you change first post please,
so that there is difference between difficulties on DP1,DP2 and so on, reading it I have no clue the screenshot belongs with notes to which version.

And I finally have found something interesting too for users of all macs mid 2012:

Availability
The developer preview of macOS Catalina is available to Apple Developer Program members at developer.apple.com starting today, and a public beta program will be available to Mac users next month at beta.apple.com. macOS Catalina will be available this fall as a free software update for Macs introduced in mid-2012 or later. For more information, visit apple.com/macos/catalina-preview. Features are subject to change. Some features may not be available in all regions or languages.

found on

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2019/06/apple-previews-macos-catalina/

hope cMP 5.1 is not killed by Apple yet
I submitted bug report @devapplebetaseed

Sorry for giving you the bad news but if Apple intended to support MP5,1 with Catalina later down the road, why they removed kexts necessary for it? Why they are blocking it everywhere. And most important, why this?

 

[startergo]

And I finally have found something interesting too for users of all macs mid 2012:

I think you are 15 days too late with the news...

Macs introduced in mid-2012 or later

cMP 4.1 and 5.1 do not fall in that category. The 5.1 was INTRODUCED in 2010

 

[crjackson2134]

cMP 4.1 and 5.1 do not fall in that category. The 5.1 was INTRODUCED in 2010

Sadly, you are indeed correct. Apple is being very precise with the wording, and this precision writing causes trouble for readers who aren’t precise.

I have a Mid-2012 MP51, assembled and sold brand new to me in 2013. However the model was introduced in 2010 so it is excluded from Catalina. It sucks, but that’s the situation.

 

[Speedstar]

maybe more of us should write bug report on dev/beta/seed forum

and try to make apple support cMP for the last Time ...

if not in the end no one will buy the new macpro7.1 At least no one of us enthusiasts ...

 

[tsialex]

maybe more of us should write bug report on dev/beta/seed forum

and try to make apple support cMP for the last Time ...

if not in the end no one will buy the new macpro7.1 At least no one of us enthusiasts ...

Sure, but this discussion is not for this thread, let's keep on topic here. I linked a thread on the first post: MP 1,1-5,1 10.15 won't support MP5,1 anymore, support starts with MP6,1

 

[eksu]

10.15.0b2 is running great on my cMP 4,1->5,1 after copying (dd) a disk from external to internal NVMe from a supported Mac Mini.

 

[startergo]

10.15.0b2 is running great on my cMP 4,1->5,1 after copying (dd) a disk from external to internal NVMe from a supported Mac Mini.

With this argument for booting, right?:

sudo nvram boot-args="-no_compat_check"