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Official Skeptical About iPhone Thread
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Good lord, don't we have enough iphone bashing around here? We really need an "official" hater thread? 
Don't like it? Don't buy it. Judging by apple's stock price, I'd say there are a lot of people out there who don't share your negative assessment.
Don't like it? Don't buy it. Judging by apple's stock price, I'd say there are a lot of people out there who don't share your negative assessment.
I'm not getting an iPhone because:
a) I don't use a mac, so using iCal, etc. is pointless.
b) I certainly can't justify $500 for a phone
c) I refuse to pay cingular $97/mo for the same thing Sprint is charging me $34/mo for. Actually, I get more from sprint.
If you're thinking about a treo, sprint SERO is the way to go. Cheaper phones, and the price can't be beat.
a) I don't use a mac, so using iCal, etc. is pointless.
b) I certainly can't justify $500 for a phone
c) I refuse to pay cingular $97/mo for the same thing Sprint is charging me $34/mo for. Actually, I get more from sprint.
If you're thinking about a treo, sprint SERO is the way to go. Cheaper phones, and the price can't be beat.
And everyone that has said this hasn't proved how that is even remotely helpful. Like people can't find out where in the world to get their iPhones....
Calling people what they are is not an insult. Why are you trying to start trouble? Maybe you just want to come into a thread and post nothing useful... that is what I see. And right now you are now where near above anyone that has posted useful information nor myself since you just came here to pick a fight with that last sentence in your thread.
Good lord, don't we have enough iphone bashing around here? We really need an "official" hater thread?
Don't like it? Don't buy it. Judging by apple's stock price, I'd say there are a lot of people out there who don't share your negative assessment.
Did you not read the title? Have you not read the rest of the posts and the explanation of the thread? No you haven't. If you don't like the thread go somewhere else... take your own advice.
Funny... but you have plenty of mistakes in your post. Just letting you know... that should be capitAl punishment by the way.
Still rather funny... like an episode of Family Guy or something.
Thanks for the other options. Once people get passed the blind Steve Jobs faith they will see that we aren't bashing the iPhone... just not seeing what all the hype is about and that there are much better options out there. But why don't you have a Mac yet? Waiting for an update, like the millions of other non iPhone hyped up MacFanBoys?
Yeah... but you didn't have to cancel a contract to use Sony's CD player and sign up with an Apple contract to use it... and then there weren't very many better alternatives to digital music players. The iPhone is great but it isn't as practical and capable as the Treo or Blackberry YET. It will be, and it will surpass anything on the market, but not yet. And not everyone is on the AT&T bandwagon or wishes to trade on evil cell company for another evil one, so some will wait the 5 years for a better, cheaper, more capable iPhone or some variation of it that comes with their service provider and that companies reasonable prices.
No mac for me for two reasons. 1) I have a perfectly good laptop right now that I quite like, with a docking feature that's not available on macs and I find extraordinarily convenient and 2) I can get far better value for my dollar with a system like a small business from HP which for the same amount of $$ comes with a higher resolution display, a dock, and a three year warranty. I guess it's not shiny though. Oh well, I can cope.
i know a lot of people who work for apple. they're excited about this product, and I'm thrilled for people who want them and can shell out for it. On the other hand, I think this kind of devotion to a product or brand is a sickening product of consumerism and it makes me rather ill to think of people being this obessessed about something.
FWIW, iPhone will sync with Outlook on Windows, so it's not pointless if you don't have OS X.
You make great points about science and business, but you lack logic. Do you know for a fact the locations of the nearest poles? Why does your lack of signal in a particular location (let alone within a particular structure, especially with such strong architecture) indicate a carrier's competency? There are low signal strength points. Not everywhere can be 5 bars. You're probably right under a T-Mo pole or repeater, and the Cingular one is probably a half-mile away. But if you worked under that one, I bet you'd get 5 bars on Cingy and just 1 on T-Mo. They don't even release the location of poles publicly... how can you logically compare the two companies without full information? Let alone that T-Mo and Cingy are both GSM so this indicates nothing.
I'm sure you understand that your phone and it's condition also affects RF, right? Plus T-Mobile has almost no coverage where I live, Cingular has okay service, and Sprint is near-perfect almost anywhere a person goes, so that indicates a certain carrier may be great in one geographical area and not another. T-Mo and Cingular, GSM carriers with a higher cost of operation, generally concentrate on larger markets, but not always. So all of this factors in to the quality of a provider experience.
Having had Cingular for 2 years, I noticed that I rarely have 5 bars. Now I have T-Mobile and notice that I have 5 bars almost everywhere I go.
I know there are a million different factors when it comes to radio waves, but I'm not going to blame Cingular's poor coverage on environmental factors nor will I attribute such factors to T-mobile's awesome coverage. When an entire city has good or bad coverage, it's a result of a carrier's actions. I was only using where I work as an example. I had piss poor Cingular coverage throughout the entire city, likewise, my T-Mobile coverage throughout the city is awesome.
I've tried at&t and T-mobile and I had more dead spots with T-mobile than I did with at&t. Sprint, Verizon, and at&t are about equal for coverage quality, T-mobile is the worst. There's no point in arguing what's the better company, it's different everywhere for everyone.
You are a very sensible person. A few years ago when I became a MacFanBoy I would have loved to chew you out for not worshipping Apple and every decision SJ makes. But after a few years, a few lost debates about the greatness of Apple, and some disappointment with the iPod, the Mac, and the iPhone... I have come to realize that every company and every trend has its bad sides. Now I find it easier to just use the tools that we have and leave the company banners in the hands of the marketing guys that get paid to shout about why this is better than that.
Anyone who wants to can love MacOS X and the Mac platform, but they have to be sensible enough to know that everything Apple is not perfect and that SJ can, has, and will continue to make mistakes just like every other CEO in the corporate world. I am glad to get real discussion going on and not childish insults and flaming.
Thanks.
Most cell companies do take care of you when you have been with them for a while.
Considering I just got the brand-new HTC Mogul (Wifi, GPS nav, 256mb rom, upgradeable memory, WM6, streaming audio/video, slingbox) for a $50 profit after rebates and a pile of finagling (contract price is $400, retail is $549, right in iPhone range) and I also got $100 in credit added to my account, well, any possible idea i had of going back to cingular to get the iPhone has gone out the window. No way I'm dropping sprint when they took care of me like that.
If anything, the higher cost of operation goes to whichever carrier has the 1900mhz licenses in a given market, regardless of whether the carrier is GSM or CDMA.
Sprint (CDMA) and T-Mobile (GSM) run primarily, if not entirely, 1900mhz networks.
Verizon (CDMA) and Cingular/AT&T (GSM) run networks that use both 850mhz and 1900mhz, depending on the market.
At one point, the bulk of Verizon's 3G EVDO coverage was 1900mhz. Not sure if that's still the case.
First of all for the record, if you read through this entire thread you're the only one who has resorted to "childish insults and flaming".
second of all, i think you need to look up the definition of an insult. by your logic calling someone fat to their face isn't an insult if they are fat. an insult is any derogatory statement made to a person than can obviously offend them. I'm pretty sure calling people "obtuse idiots" falls into that category.
and finally, yes, maybe people can find where to get their phones on their own. but how can you possibly say that people collaborating to find the most likely strategy for how to find something that is more than likely going to be pretty scarce is useless conversation. there a hundred threads 10x more useless on this forum (this one being one of them). at least those threads have a goal in mind. whats the goal of this thread really? to find out who "thinks they hate the iPhone"? good one.
Why are you soo angry
No one was even talking to you... calm down.
I am 300 pounds and if someone called me fat in my face I would say "Ya think!" It is the truth... no my fault is some people don't like listening to factual information or if they are too headstrong and stubborn to understand where someone else may be coming from.
The point of this thread was to find out if anyone else was
1. Tired of the iPhone "rumors" and facts. Both were irrelevant since the iPhone is now a fact and not a rumor, and since rumor sites shouldn't really post facts about something we already know about. One poster gave his RSS threads to prove that MacRumors wasn't posting that much info about the iPhone and I recanted my statement... read the posts.
2. If anyone else thought that getting the iPhone now was just not worth it because they already had good service, a good phone, or since it was a Rev A Apple product which usually means it will have bugged performance... plenty of posters have said their peace on that point... one poster got an HTC which is much more than an iPhone, I wouldn't get one but that person is happy with his decision. I want a Treo and plenty of other users are just saying that they are happy with Sprint's service or Verison's service and then moving along.
3. If anyone feels that the cost of switching service providers didn't justify getting the iPhone... one poster said that him and his whole family and circle of friends were going to switch carriers and that they were happy with that.
4. Some posters are talking about service coverage, MHz, and other stuff and they are doing just fine with that... no complaints here.
Why are you so angry and why are you just trying to start trouble...
You know what... I am sorry... is that what you want to hear... I am sorry for posting about negative iPhone related topics. I am an obtuse idiot that needs to get a life blah blah blah. Are you happy now. Just stop being so angry and trying to get people worked up. Let us discuss this thread and its topics in peace please...
Thank you.
i gotta ask, why are you even on this forum, if you don't use a mac? one thing about the iphone worth noting is the fact that it was announced so far ahead of the release date, almost intentionally letting the hype build up. somewhat uncharacteristic of apple. the ipod was different, no? the iphone hype i'll admit is a bit much and annoying at times but i'm not going to be a spoiled brat and say 'i hate the iphone'. as for $500/phone, people spend that all the time for 'lesser' phones. as for the contract, i'm not so sure if it'll automatically add a 2 year extension for existing cingular customers. i think i heard $29/mon for the data plan from somewhere.. so that's what i'm betting on. out of curiosity, anyone know the profit margins on these phones? i get the feeling apple will be losing money on the first generation of iphones-
FWIW, SJ mentioned that Apple chose to announce the iPhone so early because it required FCC certification, which is a fairly public process.
So either Apple announced it before giving it to the FCC, or some gadgetblogger searching the FCC records would have noticed it and made it public.
Let the guy have is fun with Windows... whatever he needs to get his work done... it is okay... everyone is welcome at MacRumors I am sure... he may even be here looking for advice or news on a future Mac product or something... if we scare him away then he may not want a Mac for fear of turning into some of the more radical members.
I haven't heard otherwise or found much news about the service plan, or if Cingular will renew a two year contract. The only thing I heard is that current customers will have to cancel their existing contracts and signup for another one or have two contracts at the same time. This was of course a rumor mentioned on this site a LONG time ago.
If I were Steve I would have done the same thing. The FCC would have just posted some info about it and everyone would have found out and died to know more about it by WWDC. When Steve got on stage and pulled one out of his pocket after the FCC announced it everyone would have saw it coming and the funtastic surprise would have been ruined.
For all of the whiny iPhone lovers that came here trying to pick a fight... I changed the name for you. And since I received informative posts about the news being published on MacRumors, I have changed the topic to Official Skeptical about iPhone.
So now the iPhone lovers (whiners) and iPhone skeptics can be happy and not have to deal with thick minded people.
Does anyone know anything about the data plans that Cingular offers and if those are the plans that you will get with the iPhone? Everyone seems to have forgotten about the fact that they are going to have to pay for this plan and might have to sign up for a new contract even if they already have a two year contract with Cingular.
Some rumors suggest it is going to start at $100/month and that is just crazy... after you add in taxes and the such the price is going to jump to $125 - $140.
And as I recall there is no insurance on the iPhone so loosing it, breaking it, getting it stolen, or dropping it is out of the question. Why would people set themselves up like that.
So now the iPhone lovers (whiners) and iPhone skeptics can be happy and not have to deal with thick minded people.
Does anyone know anything about the data plans that Cingular offers and if those are the plans that you will get with the iPhone? Everyone seems to have forgotten about the fact that they are going to have to pay for this plan and might have to sign up for a new contract even if they already have a two year contract with Cingular.
Some rumors suggest it is going to start at $100/month and that is just crazy... after you add in taxes and the such the price is going to jump to $125 - $140.
And as I recall there is no insurance on the iPhone so loosing it, breaking it, getting it stolen, or dropping it is out of the question. Why would people set themselves up like that.
Show me where owning a mac is a prerequisite for buying an iphone. I have a crisp $100 if you can.
And as I recall there is no insurance on the iPhone so loosing it, breaking it, getting it stolen, or dropping it is out of the question. Why would people set themselves up like that.
In fairness, at&t doesn't offer insurance on any smartphone/PDAs. If I destroy my Treo, I just made a $500 mistake.
it isn't. but the question was asked to someone who neither had a mac, nor the intention to purchase an iphone.
Maybe he has an iPod and Safari for Windows.
Wow!
There service plans must be the best around or that rollover minutes thing must be the greatest thing since the cell phone. You mean that insurance on a smartphone/PDA phone combo is a luxury that only Sprint and Verizon and maybe some others offer? I just couldn't do that... carry around a $500+ phone that could be damaged at any time and I couldn't get it replaced even if it wasn't my fault.