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kntgsp

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Jul 27, 2004
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dferrara said:
I came off rather harsh, sorry about that. I think you have every right to demand a refund, there's just no excuse for that kind of service. Give 'em hell.

There's a lot of disgruntled buyers who post about how horrible Apple is, and why they will never buy a Mac again, etc. My bad.

I actually bought a 12-inch PowerBook G4 because I don't want to deal with all this crap.

Tell us what happens.


Yea sorry, I came off harsh as well in the response, no harm meant. I'm doing that as well actually. I'm just going to go downtown to the Apple Store downtown as soon as I get my refund and get a 12" G4 PB. PPC will still be supported for at least 3-4 years, which the longest I could see myself owning something before upgrading anyway.

Good point.
 

kntgsp

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Jul 27, 2004
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iGary said:
While I think you were an ass if you really talked to the folks like that, I can understand your frusration.


Hahaha, no of course not. I'm honestly the most patient customer most people ever know. I've waited tables since I was a sophomore in highschool to help pay for college, BELIEVE ME when i say I understand the service industry.

Most of the telephone conversations are embellished, but I'm not promoting a book on Oprah here...har har.

It's mostly just my interpretation of how I felt and how the situation really played out. The time duration however is not exaggerated at all. I literally sat in a chair for an hour while they spoke on the phone with 'somebody' in their office. I just ended up chatting up some nice guys that work there between classes for the free textbooks. They all seemed to know perfectly well what the whining problems were. :cool:
 

Whistleway

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Feb 16, 2005
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kntgsp said:
Yea sorry, I came off harsh as well in the response, no harm meant. I'm doing that as well actually. I'm just going to go downtown to the Apple Store downtown as soon as I get my refund and get a 12" G4 PB. PPC will still be supported for at least 3-4 years, which the longest I could see myself owning something before upgrading anyway.

Good point.

Just an observation. After they put you through all this, you still would get an apple computer. Probably I would too. And that is precisely the reason why apple could care less about their support.

Damn, we need some competition, please !!
 

kntgsp

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Jul 27, 2004
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weg said:
Lucky you. When I ordered my first Powerbook at Apple, it took them one month to deliver me a DOA notebook. It took them another 16 days to ship the replacement. And no, this wasn't a "just released" powerbook, and it was not BTO.
I got my second Powerbook in a store, they even allowed me to unpack it and check if it has dead pixels (the replacement for my first PB actually had one, but you have to have at least 5 before Apple sends you a new one).

As for the story of the whining notebook: Don't be a whiner. I think the store manager was quite nice to you, he even offered you to check a dozen MBPs and take the one that you like ;-)


Haha right, but I just realized that would only make the situation worse for both of us. I'd have to go through each macbook to check for the problems, and he'd have to mark down a half dozen laptops. It's not fair to either, and I'm not going to be an ****** and screw over the old bookstore guy like that.

I honestly tried so hard to ignore it, and even run Quiet Macbook Pro and Magic Noise Killer. The thought of running an app in the backround was just irking me because the battery life seemed to dwindle faster, and I usually use it quite a bit away from the power plug. It just seemed like I'd get into the 'red' alot quicker.

I hope you guys realize this is just a story. Alot of it is embellished just to make you guys laugh. The bookstore owner and apple shop guys were quite honestly (not to toot my own horn) pleasantly surprised with how calm and polite I was with them. Trust me, I KNOW angry customers, my dad is the worst, which is why I try so hard to be understanding, especially having worked in god knows how many restaurants.

I just said plainly and calmly, that I would please like my money back for a clearly defective product, as I don't wish to gamble with that much of my money to see if I can get a working product. I told them after finding out all the hype and hooplah surrounding the MPB that I'd rather own a G4 and have it be obsolete in 3 years and have to buy a new laptop then, than send my MBP in 1 to 3 times to get this noise and sound (my bigger gripe honestly) fixed.

I've seen a few posts in here by people saying they've sent in their macbook pros more than once, because it comes back with the same whining, and those are the guys I really feel bad for. I'm just trying make light of the situation with some office space-ish humor. I feel sorry for all the flamers that came in here (not you) trying to throw a huge stink haha.
 

kntgsp

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Whistleway said:
Just an observation. After they put you through all this, you still would get an apple computer. Probably I would too. And that is precisely the reason why apple could care less about their support.

Damn, we need some competition, please !!


Right. I still believe Apple is a spectacular company in terms of their product and software. I think the story (which is partly embellished, mind you) came off as a huge rant against Apple. Not in the slightest. I just think their refusal to admit to producing an unproportionately large amount of lemons is rediculous. I still prefer to own Apple products, and they in no way lost me as a customer, I just realized that this time, buying into the hype really let me get burned.

I saw somebody's sig the other day that said something like "I trust blindly, but when I'm crossed I'll unleash a hell fury like you've never seen". I'm not quite that extreme, but yea, I trust Apple to produce what they sell you in ads and what they say. I'll just be a little more reserved in trusting them from now on, that's all. Not like I'm swearing off Apple in the slightest. I'll still buy Apple whenever I can, I'll just never buy a rev A product until it's been out for a while and I can read up on problems. I never thought to do that seeing as I never had any problems with rev A products before.
 

Alone2Gether

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Jul 27, 2005
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First revision...bad.
Loving the last revision Powerbook and yes, I think MacBook Pro sounds...eh.

Can't wait to dual boot on a 2nd/3rd revision Intel Mac (PowerMac) :D
 

nichos

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Jul 17, 2004
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Jacksonville, Fl
sk1985 said:
You should have purchased your MBP from apple.

I disagree- why does apple give out their logo with the title below it "authorized dealer" when you get the same service as buying an apple from ebay?
 

nichos

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Jul 17, 2004
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Jacksonville, Fl
d_and_n5000 said:
Jeez. This is a fine example on why Apple needs to have a bar none 2 week return policy.

Exactly - all these MBP horror stories confirm my belief in NOT buying a Rev A apple anything! They just can't do Rev A's right.
 

danny_w

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Mar 8, 2005
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Cumming, GA
d_and_n5000 said:
Jeez. This is a fine example on why Apple needs to have a bar none 2 week return policy. "If you are unsatisfied for any reason whatsoever, even if your only complaint is that Mac OS X is difficult to adjust to, Apple will take it back. Bar none." This would be a good thing, I tell ya!
And this is exactly why I refuse to buy anything from the Apple store. At least Fry's and Best Buy have a no questions asked return policy. If I buy my Mac from them I can take it back without a restocking fee.
 

jefhatfield

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danny_w said:
And this is exactly why I refuse to buy anything from the Apple store. At least Fry's and Best Buy have a no questions asked return policy. If I buy my Mac from them I can take it back without a restocking fee.

fry's does have any apple store, or authorized apple dealer beat on that one

a friend of mine, rachel, bought a G3 powerbook from fry's in san jose, california and it was missing the "esc" key and they promised to replace it...when she came back in a few weeks to get the key, the G4 powerbook had replaced the G3 powerbook and fry's simply gave rachel the G4 powerbook! not bad

you can say all you want about fry's being too impersonal and not well organized and too large, but they do stand by anything they sell
 

danny_w

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Mar 8, 2005
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jefhatfield said:
fry's does have any apple store, or authorized apple dealer beat on that one

a friend of mine, rachel, bought a G3 powerbook from fry's in san jose, california and it was missing the "esc" key and they promised to replace it...when she came back in a few weeks to get the key, the G4 powerbook had replaced the G3 powerbook and fry's simply gave rachel the G4 powerbook! not bad

you can say all you want about fry's being too impersonal and not well organized and too large, but they do stand by anything they sell
Yes, and I wish that Apple would to the same degree. I think they could learn a thing or three.
 

asencif

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Dec 21, 2005
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macgeek2005 said:
I desperatly need a new mac soon. Do you think it's safe to buy a Rev B Macbook pro?

Nothing is ever a guarantee, but Apple generally is good at fixing issue completely with the next revision. I think a lot of the Intel MBP excitement was a lot of hype to live up to. For me the real deal is coming with merom on a MBP and also Apple and Intel will be on their second round of working together. I would wait. I actually think this whole transition was rushed and when it comes to this industry that's never a good thing, although a lot of people bought this system, so I guess it did work out for Apple. I kind of like that they are taking their time with the Intel version of the iBook and hopefully getting it done right.
 

macaddicted

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Jul 23, 2002
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Down on Copperline...
I was laughing with you, I promise.

Having been on the other side of your conversation (because of my previous employers incompetence) I think you showed a great deal of restraint. My standard response was: Yeah, they goofed up, and they'll fix it when they get around to it. Don't hold your breath.

Which explains why he's my previous employer.
 

xPismo

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Nov 21, 2005
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California.
bursty said:
...by far the most dramatic "look at me and my problems" thread I've ever read on MR. :p

Totally. Not only did it annoy me, but I felt little empathy for his problems... then I read:

kntgsp said:
hope you guys realize this is just a story. Alot of it is embellished

...and I decided to give up on this thread. I know Apple has problems with rev a and customer service... but this is just a silly thing to post without noting in big bold letters that you're taking liberties with the events. Joe switcher could really get the wrong idea about apple as well as its faithful.

Aaah. Probably just my attatude at the moment. Nevermind. I'm out of this one.
 

illegalprelude

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Mar 10, 2005
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Im going to have to agree with the original poster. Apples service is horrible and I have AppleCare. It took them over 3 months to acknowledge that my LogicBoard or Processor was bad in my PowerMac. same boat, I paid over $3k for my unit plus owning 3 year coverge. They couldnt find the problem and they wanted me to do it. I dragged my unit twice into Apple Store, 30 miles away and it sat there for a day, then a week, they didnt find anything. Then they told me to call Apple for them to send somebody.

I called Apple but they told me to take it to apple store. Upon there, they told me, I had to call Apple. Again, dragging a lovely 50lb PowerMac through the mall is exciting, let alone the drive.

Only once I saved over 30 Crash Console logs to prove to them, something was wrong and I wasnt BS'ing them, I took the unit it. 3 days later, they call me and say they couldnt produce the problem over and over but they acknowledge there was a problem and im getting a new Logicboard and Processor.

Did I mention that the unit had crahsed on them before too and it was logged but they denied it?
 

iBS23

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Mar 30, 2005
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xPismo said:
...and I decided to give up on this thread. I know Apple has problems with rev a and customer service... but this is just a silly thing to post without noting in big bold letters that you're taking liberties with the events. Joe switcher could really get the wrong idea about apple as well as its faithful.


Best post in the thread. As for "C.S." let me see if I understand . . . you decide that the MBP is THE computer for you (without checking the net to see if there are any problems with your proposed $3000 investment) and you buy it (without the education discount it would seem).

Then you discover that you've got a whine and your FIRST thought is:

Cleansed of his sins, he decided to take the shiny, new $3000 USD investment back to the store to demand a refund for a defective product, as it was clearly defective out of the box."

Then after the manager suggests that you can exchange it (even though the store would "take a hit") and even offers you the opportunity to open others to see if the problem exists (never mind the fact that most places would simply give you one and then deal with a second return if that also had a problem) you continue to demand a refund because you might get another "defective" unit even though there are plenty of MBP users out there with no reports of whines (AND even though you claim to have owned and had good luck with REV A products before -- the same REV A products that TONS of other people had problems with).

Apple wants you to send it in and get it repaired (and even guarantees that it will be fixed -- something I've never been able to get them to do) and you still demand a refund. Then, they finally give you what you wanted and you write a post blasting them on the internet -- even though you got what you wanted.

Let's call this story what it really is: Buyer's Remorse. You freaked out about dropping $3000 and you looked for the first opportunity to bail. Why else would you refuse the option to replace or repair?

The fact is, Apple is a business. They don't make money offering to return $3000 to everyone. Just as Ford did with the Pinto, Apple has to make an analysis of how much repairing a product will cost vs. other options. Take the G3 iBooks -- one of their bean counters said that four logic board repairs was the cut off in the cost-benefit analysis between attempting repairs and simply replacing immediately (a hassle that I had to deal with). So, do they make it a hassle for you to get a refund? You bet your life -- as they should.

As far as I can tell, you were treated fairly by the local bookstore owner and Apple -- get over it. "But Dell will replace your computer if you sneeze on it the wrong way -- Apple should too." Fine, then go buy a Dell. The bottom line is that Dell can afford to replace the units much sooner than Apple for two reasons: Sales volume and Unit cost. Dell makes their money by selling a lot of cheaply made computers due to economies of scale. Plus, have you read the Dell support pages lately? First, their support isn't as good as it used to be. Second, there sure are a lot of problems being reported. Enjoy your Dell -- I know I'll enjoy my Mac.
 

cait-sith

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Apr 6, 2004
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canada
Geez you're all so damn harsh on this guy. Who hasn't been pissed off by bad customer support? It's ***FRUSTRATING***! I'm with you 100% with your issue man, it's rough and so annoying when all you wanna do is play with that shiny new toy and it doesn't work.

Apple has been pretty good to me, they upgraded my eMac years ago when it got a week-long delay. Dell customer support is pretty good too -- but Dell's don't run OSX. So no Dell for me.
 

blackpeter

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Aug 14, 2001
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iBS23 said:
The fact is, Apple is a business. They don't make money offering to return $3000 to everyone. Just as Ford did with the Pinto, Apple has to make an analysis of how much repairing a product will cost vs. other options.

Did you just compare the MacBook Pro to the Ford Pinto? That's how you defend Apple?

That is truly bleak.
 

Roba

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Mar 18, 2006
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You bought something brand new and it was malfunctioning within one day of purchase. Under the law you are entitled to your money back no quibble. Anybody who tells you differently is not to be taken seriously.
 

YS2003

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Dec 24, 2004
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Finally I have arrived.....
If I were in his shoes, I would have demanded the money back (this is my principle, followed by I don't take bulls from anyone especially when I am the customer). If a $500 laptop is developing whining and clicking noises, I understand the concept of "you get what you pay for." But, for a $3000 notebook, it better works from the get-go without any compromise. I don't want anyone to repair the brand new/one day old notebook as I know it won't be the same after the repair (scratched casing, warped casing, and etc).

I know Apple is positioned in the unique area of the tech market as it controls both OS and hardware. So, sometimes you can be a captive customer because you cannot get another Mac from other manufacturers.

When I bought my 12" PB and 12" iBook (I bought 15" AL and Ti PBs at Apple Store by love at first sight; after that I get more savvy with tech buying), I went though lots of forums to get the user reviews to make sure those models are not known for some proclivity to develop some annoying or fatale problems. They were clear and I went ahead buying them (to this day, no problem). When I wanted to buy 23" ACD, I have been reading many posts on pinkish tint and I was afraid of buying it. So, I bought it at CompUSA because of their 15 day exchange policy in case my unit develops pink tint; but, it did not. So, it worked out well for me.

I don't want to count on the good will of the company as my sole plan for these product defect issues. I want to have some plan B and C by checking on likelihood of myself getting into those problems and by checking resellers/stores' policy on DOA (Dead on Arrival or Defective on Arrival).
 
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