I seriously doubt that.
It seems crystal-clear that aftermarket upgrades for Apple products are a dead end. I just pray Apple won't disallow 3rd-party memory upgrades for the next MacPro (if any).
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I seriously doubt that.
It seems crystal-clear that aftermarket upgrades for Apple products are a dead end. I just pray Apple won't disallow 3rd-party memory upgrades for the next MacPro (if any).
[doublepost=1455312987][/doublepost]I have 24 TB of 8 years of work. The videos are not replaceable.
I do very little editing, but use my videos as a real time searchable data base.
My work flow is to search real time for a real time event I want analyze and do simple edit to capture and analyze the event.
I am running three thunderbolt raid 5 drives and have been impressed with the real time scanning speed I can search events
I have a base nMP and the rendering speed really does not matter.
I have no clue if another system can do a better job. I honestly was surprised at the video data base functionality of FCPx.
I am a beginner when it comes to editing.
I love the plug and play functionality of my system. The functionality of having the operating system separate from the video data bases add a level isolation the protects my video data based.
raw video on usb book drives in storage. daily active backups on a usb raid 5 drive
Did you see the MP Graphic Card Repair Thread?
https://www.macrumors.com/2016/02/06/late-2013-mac-pro-video-issues-repair-program
MIght want to hit Apple up for some new GPUs...
Ingenious as it may be can you think of a reason why you would really want to hot-swap/plug GPUs?
"The GPU is upgradable! You can replace it with the same 3-year-old GPU it originally could have been configured with."
"If you want a different model of graphics card, all you have to do is petition to either Apple or AMD. If you're lucky, they'll release one, but only if the Gods have deemed us worthy!"
"You can fix the issue of the faulty graphics card, by replacing the graphics card with one of the same model that hasn't yet failed."
This is ludicrous. Other than an enthusiast with more money than sense, who is going to pursue any of these paths?
1. Neither AMD nor Apple are going to officially sell nMP GPUs
2. The d500s & d700s are dying - good chances the ones you pick up on the used market are from the defective batch
3. Paying $1000 each for some under clocked 7970s??? Ha ha ha.
1. This is your personal assumption, while has some support on Apple marketing trends isn't either a rule or official policy, maybe I'm a moron but you are speculating too.
2. D500 & D700 still do the job for many, new parts market also is available thru the right channels I didn't check it yet, but at some point Apple releases parts for repairs in its entire product line, as you can buy an all new logic board for a Macbook the same you can buy all the Mac Pro parts.
3. Your or pricing quotes are speculated too.
Only one thing you are right, I'm an Apple Enthusiast with much money and all the experience (sense) gained while making all this money about 3/4 from my current state was earned on a Mac....
Do you see me laughing? Believe me reading people with "poor people mind" makes me laugh...
Deal with this.
It's economics. Do you have any idea how much money and infrastructure it takes to put up and maintain a production line, especially for sophisticated electronics? It's very expensive and even more so for small runs of a few hundred or thousand cards. You also have to keep in mind that many of the 3rd party components supplied to AMD for those cards will no longer be available. By 2018 that 6 year old GPU is going to be ancient history and it ain't going to happen. Take it from someone who studied industrial design. Once Apple runs out of spare cards replacements are only going to be available from cannibalized machines or NOS sitting in a repair shop.
The best you can hope for is that Apple retains the same proprietary internal connector and there is a chance of upgrading to a GPU board from the 2016 nnMP that just happens to be compatible.
Sure. I use a 12 core / D700 every day and it gets the job done. But given that it is a closed system this is the first Mac Pro that will have a very short shelf life once the new model comes out.
You mean like this one selling for $1149? Keep in mind that you may need two of them.
http://www.macpartsonline.com/661-7...-pro-late-2013-me253ll-a-md878ll-a-a1481.html
How nouveau riche.
That's not true, the only new development on nMP gpu is on how the chips are traced on the board, this is actually an Pcie gpu reshaped no new parts, I'm as hardware developer I'm very familiar with this kind of short run builds, once you gave a new gpu debugged you can reshape it as you like as long the new shape has enough real estate for the components your R&D expenses are very low, I'm pretty sure on what I said since on a former project we licensed a logic board design and we reshaped it for another "fashion niche" you can do that and order 1000 units (for automated manufacturing) and your product will not rise cost more than 5% much less in case you outsource this "engineering" to India or China.
Apple just did with an short re-run for mbo'11
Apple will not spend more on R&D since the nnMP still will use Pcie 3 and it's an complete solution running pcie and all the bridges and signals required, so there is actually an true chance for this to happen.
Short life?, so for you can't upgrade a piece of hardware you trash the entire system?
This reasoning gives me cues you're not as efficient running your business and building wealth as me.
I started with an 4c/1tb/D700 nMP now it has 8cores and 128gb ram, when the nnMP will become available this machine will move to my home or maybe I'll sell it on eBay and it's new owner sure will exploit it for a while, apple hardware use to last (depending on use case).
Check it again as the nnMP becomes available.
No need to comment, so obvious.
No matter how you cut this AMD is not going to restart a production line for a few replacement boards 2-3 years down the road. It's simply not going to happen no matter how you spin this.
There was a class action lawsuit in regards to the 2011 MBP so there may be extraneous circumstance that you are not taking into account. Since none of us have a crystal ball that can predict the future there is no way of telling if similar legal action in regards to the nMP would force Apple's hand regardless of the cost.
Like I said, people may get lucky.
No, but we were talking about longterm viability due to expandability compared to the sliver Mac Pro. There still are plenty of 5,1 cMP out there that have been bumped and given a second lease on life. Given that only the CPU is really upgradeable on the nMP it is logical to conclude that it will not be as long lived as it's predecessor.
I'm not going to get into a high school level measuring contest with you about money. It's childish and low class. You have no idea who I am and what I do for a living, so why don't we leave it at that.
Yes, thanks for sharing that; a very clear and helpful perspective.
Since my current Macs do the job, there is time for me to see what Apple will include in a new 2016 nMP. I would happily purchase an nMP if it has TB3, newer Xeon ( as Aiden Shaw has pointed out many times they've been available ) and newer AMD dGPUs but I won't purchase the current nMP's older tech at this point.
You are confusing the size of your paycheck with your relevance in the universe.
Have a great day, kid.
The 2013 is a great piece of tech and it fulfills it's duties better than any other Mac. I'm not too concerned about the e5 v2 vs v3 as the v2 is still being sold b/c it's still a very relevant workstation/server CPU.
I can't wait for the next version, to have things faster than they (still) are on the 2013 in a new model is going to be awesome.
As a public we probably weren't going to be user upgrading parts on computers for that much longer into the 21st century anyway.
A computer is a tool, if you use the best one for you, you hopefully can get your work done faster and/or better and if you do that professionally it's always worth it to have the best tool for the job. In *most* cases the cost of the user of the tool so greatly exceeds the cost of the tool it's not even worth it to try and justify not getting the best tool for the job. Everyone's time is limited, if you waste it on beach balls or hour glasses there may be a day where you wish you had that cumulative amount of time back.
I can't wait for the next version, to have things faster than they (still) are on the 2013 in a new model is going to be awesome.
As a public we probably weren't going to be user upgrading parts on computers for that much longer into the 21st century anyway.
A computer is a tool, if you use the best one for you, you hopefully can get your work done faster and/or better and if you do that professionally it's always worth it to have the best tool for the job. In *most* cases the cost of the user of the tool so greatly exceeds the cost of the tool it's not even worth it to try and justify not getting the best tool for the job. Everyone's time is limited, if you waste it on beach balls or hour glasses there may be a day where you wish you had that cumulative amount of time back.
The never ending "GPU upgrades are coming" lie. The delivery and illogic have changed but it's still just dangling some wilted carrots in front of a group of desperate starving people.
Funny how often it is delivered with a "probably coming soon."
Meanwhile, the reality in 2016. As in RIGHT NOW, TODAY REALITY. Is more than $2,000.00 for a pair of D700s that have been baking away in someone else's nMP for a couple years.
There is no other option, except buy a whole machine with them already installed. It's crap, and even the Applogists know it's crap.
And as far as the ultimate dangling of future wonderfulness, the "who knows, maybe the 7,1 will have compatible GPUs and your fairy godfather, Tim, will sell them to you for a fair price" this is just more lying.
As I pointed out long ago, the boot rom for 6,1 contains the roms for all 6 cards it ever was possible to use with it. (Left and right versions of the ones you know already)
So, even if somehow the switch to TB3 and NVME drives still left every single pin on the connectors the same, (basically impossible) the cards would not work in 6,1 unless Apple went OUT OF THEIR WAY to make them work. As in SWAM UPSTREAM and either issued a firmware update for 6,1 or included EEPROM chips on new GPUs with roms written to integrate with 6,1 and 7,1.
I would like to see one of the Appologists tell this lie in person. I can't imagine them holding a straight face telling what they KNOW is a complete and total lie.
Logic and reason tell you the truth here. 6,1 is withering on the vine with its 2011 GPUs as its only internal GPUs ever. People who insist otherwise are lying to you.
Funny how often it is delivered with a "probably coming soon."
Meanwhile, the reality in 2016. As in RIGHT NOW, TODAY REALITY. Is more than $2,000.00 for a pair of D700s that have been baking away in someone else's nMP for a couple years.
There is no other option, except buy a whole machine with them already installed. It's crap, and even the Applogists know it's crap.
And as far as the ultimate dangling of future wonderfulness, the "who knows, maybe the 7,1 will have compatible GPUs and your fairy godfather, Tim, will sell them to you for a fair price" this is just more lying.
As I pointed out long ago, the boot rom for 6,1 contains the roms for all 6 cards it ever was possible to use with it. (Left and right versions of the ones you know already)
So, even if somehow the switch to TB3 and NVME drives still left every single pin on the connectors the same, (basically impossible) the cards would not work in 6,1 unless Apple went OUT OF THEIR WAY to make them work. As in SWAM UPSTREAM and either issued a firmware update for 6,1 or included EEPROM chips on new GPUs with roms written to integrate with 6,1 and 7,1.
I would like to see one of the Appologists tell this lie in person. I can't imagine them holding a straight face telling what they KNOW is a complete and total lie.
Logic and reason tell you the truth here. 6,1 is withering on the vine with its 2011 GPUs as its only internal GPUs ever. People who insist otherwise are lying to you.
OK, so let's recap:
I post the opinion/experience of ONE professional user who explains why it made sense for him to go with the nMP. No more, no less.
What you hear:
Do you honestly not see the disconnect between what you post and what this thread is really about?
If yes, buddy, you need help.
Anyway, I know you're gonna go on derailing this thread with your incessant regurgitation of the same old arguments until it is banished to the wasteland.
Your zealotry carries the day. Apple sucks. You win. Congratulations.
I post the opinion/experience of ONE professional user who explains why it made sense for him to go with the nMP. No more, no less.
What you hear:
Do you honestly not see the disconnect between what you post and what this thread is really about?
If yes, buddy, you need help.
Anyway, I know you're gonna go on derailing this thread with your incessant regurgitation of the same old arguments until it is banished to the wasteland.
Your zealotry carries the day. Apple sucks. You win. Congratulations.
So exactly what are these outdated business models you mention and what makes someone a Luddite for having a point of view contrary to yours?
I honestly don't.
You (once again) tried to revive the same argument that has been hashed out countless times in countless threads and expected a NEW and DIFFERENT outcome?
What is it that people call repeating the same behavior over and over and then expecting a new outcome?
Who needs help?
(BTW, notice that you included "argument" in the thread title. Did you expect candy and ponies? Or...what you got)
Having designed and built huge networks based on 100%, the nMP is a Quantum leap in that area. The standard migration for features is " A C type language, microcode then hardware. The nMP is going that direction. From a large scale customer support standpoint, the nMP makes great stride in that area as well.
I understand the direction and it is a correct direction, the question remains can they execute the the migrations correctly.
When you proceed to make this change, you lose short term business betting on the long term.
The nMP is a new direction, not the latest whiz bang computer designed games. I suspect their bet is video databases first, then video editing. The amount of raw videos (non edited) will be the next big market. That is probably the core focus and the editing will be secondary.
If you look at the amount of police videos to be managed and the technical skills, that market will dwarf the video editing. That core over time will produce a far better video editing platform.
I understand the direction and it is a correct direction, the question remains can they execute the the migrations correctly.
When you proceed to make this change, you lose short term business betting on the long term.
The nMP is a new direction, not the latest whiz bang computer designed games. I suspect their bet is video databases first, then video editing. The amount of raw videos (non edited) will be the next big market. That is probably the core focus and the editing will be secondary.
If you look at the amount of police videos to be managed and the technical skills, that market will dwarf the video editing. That core over time will produce a far better video editing platform.
I gotta say...
I've been a Mac guy since the 128K.
Geeze, I must be old.
I've kept buying all of their top platforms ever since then.
It has been an expensive journey, but well worth the price.
The nMP is the first time I didn't buy in.
It seemed like a closed box.
Locked in to 2013, with no possibility of upgrade.
Coming from my latest upgraded cheese grater, I just couldn't go there.
nMP is very stylish with light weight and small form factor.
It is a fine machine, for what it is, but a big disappointment to me.
I sure wish Apple would offer the other choice.
I've been a Mac guy since the 128K.
Geeze, I must be old.
I've kept buying all of their top platforms ever since then.
It has been an expensive journey, but well worth the price.
The nMP is the first time I didn't buy in.
It seemed like a closed box.
Locked in to 2013, with no possibility of upgrade.
Coming from my latest upgraded cheese grater, I just couldn't go there.
nMP is very stylish with light weight and small form factor.
It is a fine machine, for what it is, but a big disappointment to me.
I sure wish Apple would offer the other choice.
I have one, and while there are things about it I like, there's things about it that I don't like. I just know that if MS wouldn't have made such a pigs ear of multi-monitor support on Windows 10 and they had an equivalent of Messages that works across desktop and mobile, then I'd be off.