OnePlus One

[Faux Carnival]

Finally... I hope future updates don't take this long.

 

[vantt1]

To play devils advocate. Why downgrade to an S6 ? If someone offered me a brand new in the box Galaxy S6, for my current OnePlus One, but I couldn't sell the S6. There's no way I'd take the S6 over the OnePlus, why ?

- Battery life sucks on the S6, and nowhere near the One's battery life
- Screen size is smaller on the S6
- The fancy metal and glass build is pointless as soon as you pout a rubber case over it.
- CM12 is like stock Android, and I HATE Touchwiz

Honestly, please tell me what the S6 better than the OnePlus One ? Benchmarks ? LOL I give two craps, and anyways the One is super fast already, never lags or hiccups.

Really, what does the S6 bring to the table, that would benefit me more, or do more or do better than my OPO ?

I'd take the Galaxy S6 in a heartbeat (128 GB thanks ).

In answer to your whys:

• I had the Galaxy S4 and its battery life was fine for my usage, there's no way the S6 is gonna be worse
• But you get a higher screen resolution, density, color gamut and brightness, and lower reflectance
• Yeah, as soon as you put a case on it. But if you don't, it's the S6's glass and aluminum build vs. the OPO's all plastic build is a no brainer
• It won't be long until you can flash CM12 or whatever onto the S6, and it won't be any harder than flashing OOS on the OPO. Besides, TW has really improved and

In addition, the S6 has:

• Latest gen Super AMOLED display (QHD with a crazy density at that)
• A non-reversible SIM tray
• 16 MP camera with OIS
• 128 GB storage
• Faster flash memory
• Gorilla Glass 4 (if anything it should be better than GG3)
• Fast charging
• Much wider recognition (helps with getting cases, screen protectors, replacement parts etc.)

I'd kick myself if I turned down an offer like that.

For me, it's the reasons below. Listed in no particular order. Just the reasons that come to my head:

1) Headphone jack on the bottom - It sounds silly, but this is a big deal. I hate the headphone jack on top of the OnePlus. I like putting my phone into my pocket upside down, and the headphone jack sticking out from the top is really irritating (especially for such a large phone). And even when it's out in my hand, having the cords sometimes dangle in front of the screen is cumbersome. This is a device I use every single day; I put it in and pull it out of my pocket a countless number of times in that single day. This is more a big deal than it sounds.

2) Smaller device - Don't get me wrong, I appreciate what a larger device brings: larger screen for gaming/browsing/videos. Larger battery. But there's something to be said about easier one hand use and pocket-ability. Seriously, the OnePlus is large. It's absolutely manageable, but if I'm honest, it can sometimes be tight and/or uncomfortable in my pockets (especially when getting in and out of a car, for example), and it can sometimes be unwieldy if I'm trying to use it with one hand (say while riding the subway or something). I miss the feel and comforts of a smaller screen/device.

3) TouchWiz - From what little of TW I've used and from what videos I've seen, I'm actually warming up to TW. I think some of their extra features are worthwhile, and I actually think TW plays beautifully with Material Design. The colorful-ness of TW makes a lot of sense now coexisting with Material Design. As you already know, I actually love Cyanogen, but I'm also excited about TW's extra features and touches. (I also think it's a helluvalot better than what I've seen of Sense. Ugh, can't stand the way Sense handles app switching. Tiles? No thanks!).

4) Camera - This is the one area I think the OnePlus falls short on, and I've always said so as much. Back on my iPh6, whenever I'd want to take a photo, it was a one snap deal. With one snap, I knew 99% of the time, I got a good, clear, clean photo. With the OnePlus, I now snap 2 or 3 times just to ensure at least one of them comes out well (and inevitably, of the 2 or 3, one of them is almost always blurry). The OnePlus camera is good, no doubt, but it isn't as quick and/or reliable as the iPh6, and presumably as well as the S6. I really miss that sort of reliability for my smartphone camera. Also... double tap home screen to launch the camera in under a second? Victory.

5) Fingerprint scanner - Speaking of that home button, I'm excited for Samsung's finger print. Let's face it, double tap to wake on the OnePlus is not reliable. Sometimes it flat out doesn't wake when I double tap it. I've tested out the S6's home button, and the finger print scanner is fast and reliable. I would even go as far saying it's a hair faster than the iPh6's.

6) Samsung - I respect OnePlus and like what they're doing, but I dislike Cyanogen's CEO (he's a d*ck). I know this is neither here nor there at the end of the day, but I just like what Samsung is doing. Never mind all their hyperbole and Apple-smear campaigns (some of which, in my humble opinion, I think are brilliant), but Samsung is doing exciting things in the tech sector. Yeah, sometimes they lose control and spread too thin and try too hard, but by doing so, they also venture into exciting places. Basically, I feel like Samsung deserves my money more than OnePlus at this point. Again, OnePlus is young and exciting and pushing boundaries (especially pricing-wise) of their own, and I look forward to what they unveil with the OnePlus Two, but for now, I'm comfortable giving Samsung my money.

7) Design - The S6 is one of the most gorgeous looking (and feeling) phones. The iPhone 4/4S was my favorite phone design. 'Nuff said.

8) Quick Charge/Wireless Charging - What I lose in battery size, I gain in ease of charging. 10 mins = 4 hours? That's really amazing when you sit down and really think about that. And wireless charging, I think, will be great. Allowing the device to top off when I'm not using it is going to be invaluable. Hey, it's sitting idle on my desk at work/home when it's not being used anyway, so why not put that idle time to better use? GSMArena put up updated S6 battery results, btw, after they got the final software build. Look it up. The results are much much better.


Um, I can probably think of a few more things, but I'll leave it there for now. Whether or not someone else agrees this is worth the markup in price, that's obviously up to each individual. I'm ready to pay that price for what I'm getting with the S6.

Lastly, I want to be clear, the OnePlus is probably the best smartphone I've ever own to date. Much of what you've applauded it for in this thread, I agree with.

1) I second this. Having the headphone jack on the top of the OPO is not favorable at all (well, gotta put those dual mono speakers somewhere...). If you have anything connected to it and put it in a pocket, taking it out with one hand will result in holding it upside down. Plus, it makes it possible to have a power bank and headphones connected in the pocket at the same time.

2) If I recall correctly, before its reveal, OnePlus convinced everyone that the One was going to be around the same size as/smaller than the Sony Xperia Z2. Polls asking users what their preferred screen size is (not necessarily the OPO's) was in the 5"-5.2" range.

3) Agreed

4) Spot on. The OPO's camera is good, but most of the time it can't seem to get the focus/exposure/white balance right. RAW kinda makes up for it, but sometimes I just want to take a good picture in one go without doing any post-capture editing.

5) The OPO needed double tap to wake due to the undersized power button and lack of physical home button.

6) Concur

7) Long live the iPhone 4/4S. Stainless steel master race.

8) Second

I think Samsung's Super AMOLED screens are also worth mentioning. They have surpassed LCDs in virtually every aspect so now it only boils down to personal preference.

 

[epicrayban]

I'd take the Galaxy S6 in a heartbeat (128 GB thanks ).

In answer to your whys:

• I had the Galaxy S4 and its battery life was fine for my usage, there's no way the S6 is gonna be worse
• But you get a higher screen resolution, density, color gamut and brightness, and lower reflectance
• Yeah, as soon as you put a case on it. But if you don't, it's the S6's glass and aluminum build vs. the OPO's all plastic build is a no brainer
• It won't be long until you can flash CM12 or whatever onto the S6, and it won't be any harder than flashing OOS on the OPO. Besides, TW has really improved and

In addition, the S6 has:

• Latest gen Super AMOLED display (QHD with a crazy density at that)
• A non-reversible SIM tray
• 16 MP camera with OIS
• 128 GB storage
• Faster flash memory
• Gorilla Glass 4 (if anything it should be better than GG3)
• Fast charging
• Much wider recognition (helps with getting cases, screen protectors, replacement parts etc.)

I'd kick myself if I turned down an offer like that.


1) I second this. Having the headphone jack on the top of the OPO is not favorable at all (well, gotta put those dual mono speakers somewhere...). If you have anything connected to it and put it in a pocket, taking it out with one hand will result in holding it upside down. Plus, it makes it possible to have a power bank and headphones connected in the pocket at the same time.

2) If I recall correctly, before its reveal, OnePlus convinced everyone that the One was going to be around the same size as/smaller than the Sony Xperia Z2. Polls asking users what their preferred screen size is (not necessarily the OPO's) was in the 5"-5.2" range.

3) Agreed

4) Spot on. The OPO's camera is good, but most of the time it can't seem to get the focus/exposure/white balance right. RAW kinda makes up for it, but sometimes I just want to take a good picture in one go without doing any post-capture editing.

5) The OPO needed double tap to wake due to the undersized power button and lack of physical home button.

6) Concur

7) Long live the iPhone 4/4S. Stainless steel master race.

8) Second

I think Samsung's Super AMOLED screens are also worth mentioning. They have surpassed LCDs in virtually every aspect so now it only boils down to personal preference.

I'd also add that the S6 color options look better, and for the most part, are actually available.

OnePlus only has white in 16GB or black sandstone in 64GB. Their promises of a bunch of different textured replaceable backplates never really came to fruition, and that disappointed many people (myself included).

 

[vantt1]

I'd also add that the S6 color options look better, and for the most part, are actually available.

OnePlus only has white in 16GB or black sandstone in 64GB. Their promises of a bunch of different textured replaceable backplates never really came to fruition, and that disappointed many people (myself included).

That too. I was quite disappointed as well when they canceled the whole line for no reason and without explanation. They made such a big deal out of it, then it kinda just gradually faded into nonexistence.

 

[MRU]

That too. I was quite disappointed as well when they canceled the whole line for no reason and without explanation. They made such a big deal out of it, then it kinda just gradually faded into nonexistence.

Too many people were breaking the volume rocker buttons when trying to remove the cases or fix the new ones on it. Just bad design. They cancelled to save themselves a huge heap of damage claims down the line.

 

[epicrayban]

Too many people were breaking the volume rocker buttons when trying to remove the cases or fix the new ones on it. Just bad design. They cancelled to save themselves a huge heap of damage claims down the line.

I didn't realize that was the reason. Talk about lack of foresight.

 

[HiDEF]

I've got invites to share.

 

[vantt1]

Too many people were breaking the volume rocker buttons when trying to remove the cases or fix the new ones on it. Just bad design. They cancelled to save themselves a huge heap of damage claims down the line.

Well we/they saw it coming. Why have a SIM tray if the back cover is removable? Putting a spring-loaded SIM slot inside of the cover would save having to use an eject tool, using a Styleswap-specific SIM tray, and damage resulting from the user inserting the SIM tray upside-down.

I didn't realize that was the reason. Talk about lack of foresight.

I thought they canceled the bamboo one due to low yield and QA issues.

Kinda ironic; one of the phone's greatest distinguishing features could have also been its biggest downfall.

I've got invites to share.

It's almost invite-free Tuesday though. Is there a difference anymore when people could either wait till Tuesday and buy it invite-free or wait around for an invite for who knows how long?? Does using an invite have a higher priority?

 

[Kariya]

I also had invites but didn't bother to share them. Its no longer hard to get the phone anymore.

 

[Vegastouch]

To play devils advocate. Why downgrade to an S6 ? If someone offered me a brand new in the box Galaxy S6, for my current OnePlus One, but I couldn't sell the S6. There's no way I'd take the S6 over the OnePlus, why ?

- Battery life sucks on the S6, and nowhere near the One's battery life
- Screen size is smaller on the S6
- The fancy metal and glass build is pointless as soon as you pout a rubber case over it.
- CM12 is like stock Android, and I HATE Touchwiz

Honestly, please tell me what the S6 better than the OnePlus One ? Benchmarks ? LOL I give two craps, and anyways the One is super fast already, never lags or hiccups.

Really, what does the S6 bring to the table, that would benefit me more, or do more or do better than my OPO ?

Then keep your OPO and dont get a GS6. Its really that simple. You dont have to get every phone that comes out. I sure dont and ive skipped the GS4 and GS5 because it wans't exciting for me. I have a Nexus 5 and ive had it since early November 2013.

Now, my reasons for getting a GS6:

* Battery life will be much better than my N5
* Screen size is bigger but not a lot which is good for me. I dont like huge screens and why i didnt get a Nexus 6, Notes 3&4, Lumia 1520, or anything over 5.2".
* I put a case on all my phones and especially one with glass, which is the biggest negative for me but have since seen that it is pretty durable and much more durable than the back glass that the iPhone had.
* I dont root anymore so dont care about it and i dont use TW as my launcher. I dont mind the other things about it.
*Only negative to switching from a Nexus is the fast updates. Ill miss that.

 

[vantt1]

Since Oxygen OS is based on 5.0.2, I may as well skip it and go straight to 5.1 via Resurrection Remix 5.4.0. So far so good, it supports 4K video recording, does all the screen off gestures, customizable navbar/buttons and a whole heap of other mods, as expected from RR. Mobile data is still dodgy though, I think it's a Lollipop issue.

 

[samven582]

I'd take the Galaxy S6 in a heartbeat (128 GB thanks ).

In answer to your whys:

• I had the Galaxy S4 and its battery life was fine for my usage, there's no way the S6 is gonna be worse
• But you get a higher screen resolution, density, color gamut and brightness, and lower reflectance
• Yeah, as soon as you put a case on it. But if you don't, it's the S6's glass and aluminum build vs. the OPO's all plastic build is a no brainer
• It won't be long until you can flash CM12 or whatever onto the S6, and it won't be any harder than flashing OOS on the OPO. Besides, TW has really improved and

In addition, the S6 has:

• Latest gen Super AMOLED display (QHD with a crazy density at that)
• A non-reversible SIM tray
• 16 MP camera with OIS
• 128 GB storage
• Faster flash memory
• Gorilla Glass 4 (if anything it should be better than GG3)
• Fast charging
• Much wider recognition (helps with getting cases, screen protectors, replacement parts etc.)

I'd kick myself if I turned down an offer like that.


1) I second this. Having the headphone jack on the top of the OPO is not favorable at all (well, gotta put those dual mono speakers somewhere...). If you have anything connected to it and put it in a pocket, taking it out with one hand will result in holding it upside down. Plus, it makes it possible to have a power bank and headphones connected in the pocket at the same time.

2) If I recall correctly, before its reveal, OnePlus convinced everyone that the One was going to be around the same size as/smaller than the Sony Xperia Z2. Polls asking users what their preferred screen size is (not necessarily the OPO's) was in the 5"-5.2" range.

3) Agreed

4) Spot on. The OPO's camera is good, but most of the time it can't seem to get the focus/exposure/white balance right. RAW kinda makes up for it, but sometimes I just want to take a good picture in one go without doing any post-capture editing.

5) The OPO needed double tap to wake due to the undersized power button and lack of physical home button.

6) Concur

7) Long live the iPhone 4/4S. Stainless steel master race.

8) Second

I think Samsung's Super AMOLED screens are also worth mentioning. They have surpassed LCDs in virtually every aspect so now it only boils down to personal preference.

yea Super AMOLED is really superior

 

[epicrayban]

yea Super AMOLED is really superior

Don't know what I'm looking at there.

And I think you should do your research on S-AMOLED screens. Or not. I'm a forum post, not a cop.

 

[samven582]

Don't know what I'm looking at there.

And I think you should do your research on S-AMOLED screens. Or not. I'm a forum post, not a cop.

i have done my research on S-AMOLED screens. Apparently you haven't

The above screen shot is just a common problem with S-AMOLED. If you don't believe me check out XDA

 

[epicrayban]

i have done my research on S-AMOLED screens. Apparently you haven't

The above screen shot is just a common problem with S-AMOLED. If you don't believe me check out XDA

Can you provide a link? I don't know what I'm searching for.

 

[mustafu]

And good luck flashing CM or any other ROM on a Att or Verizon S6 thanks to bootloader locks.

 

[samven582]

Can you provide a link? I don't know what I'm searching for.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-tmobile/general/display-issues-thread-t2910575

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2463786

http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/note4-amoled-screen-quality-t2906365

 

[gotluck]

http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-tmobile/general/display-issues-thread-t2910575

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2463786

http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/note4-amoled-screen-quality-t2906365

As the OP in the first thread says, all displays have issues, including his Apple products as listed

 

[vantt1]

yea Super AMOLED is really superior

Yep, infinite contrast ratio, no need for a separate digitizer layer, higher refresh rate, wider color gamut and viewing angles etc.

The only disadvantage is burn-in (which, by the time it's visible, the phone will most likely be upgraded anyway) and the higher production cost, really

http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-tmobile/general/display-issues-thread-t2910575

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2463786

http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/note4-amoled-screen-quality-t2906365

I think you've got it all wrong. What you've posted are just threads about displays that suffered from manufacturing defects or quality control issues, and not the displays themselves. They do not prove anything as they aren't "common problems".

Read DisplayMate's reply to one of the OPs of your threads:

We get many Emails like yours with every display review article that we publish, with readers sending in comments and sometimes screen shots of their display, or even multiple displays side-by-side to accentuate the differences.

For our public article series we publish the results that we obtain. There is no question that there are always some defective units, substandard calibrations, variations between production lots and within production lots, variations in display performance, variations between displays from multiple suppliers and manufactured in different factories. We have no way to evaluate the scale, frequency, and validity of these issues based on reader Emails so we don't discuss them. All products, from displays to cars, have quality control and variation issues - consumers know this. We simply tell people that if the display is unsatisfactory then return it for exchange or refund.

For LCDs, a well known issue is the variation in the White LEDs used in the backlight - their color, brightness, and power efficiency all vary significantly. Manufacturers pay varying premiums to have the White LEDs pre-sorted into similar performance classes for their products.

We get many more Emails from unhappy iPhone and iPad customers than any other manufacturer. One possible source is that Apple uses many different suppliers for their displays. However, over a one year product cycle we may test a dozen iPhone and iPad units that are sent to us from multiple sources (including Apple competitors), and over many years we have never found any significant variations in display performance in our lab tests. I don't doubt that there are always some quality control and performance variations, but we have never seen any in the large number of Apple products that we have tested.

We don't get many Emails regarding Samsung OLED displays. Most seem to be the result of the sender leaving it in one of the default Vivid modes instead of the accurate (Cinema, Movie or Basic) mode that we use in our tests. Samsung is a single source manufacturer so that is not an issue. We also test many Samsung OLED devices (including many supplied by Samsung competitors) and have never seen any significant display performance variations within a given model. Again, I don't doubt that there are always some quality control and performance variations, but we have never seen any in the large number of Samsung OLED products that we have tested.

In any case, for our public article series we publish the display results that we obtain in our lab.

While it is difficult to get an objective statistical measure of the frequency and size of display performance variations, I highly encourage you to publicize this issue, perhaps via a youtube channel that can act as a central clearing house for this display issue.

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Some LCDs (such as the OnePlus One's) exhibit visible color shifting when viewed at moderate angles, which adversely affects peak brightness and viewing angles under certain conditions.

 

[Farplaner]

I don't have it yet, but apparently CM12S rollout has officially started.

 

[biosci]

My phone hasn't decided it can load 12s yet... Press update to find nothing. Sigh.

 

[spriter]

Checked to see if my wife's OPO, which used to be mine, was ready to update. Nothing.

Decided to switch to Oxygen as official CM11S updates and the Lollipop update have been poor in my experience.

Oxygen seems clean and likely to get updates sooner and for longer. The 2-year deal CM and OPO have and the spat they had last year points to a departing of ways and a big reason why Oxygen exists.

 

[samven582]

Yep, infinite contrast ratio, no need for a separate digitizer layer, higher refresh rate, wider color gamut and viewing angles etc.

The only disadvantage is burn-in (which, by the time it's visible, the phone will most likely be upgraded anyway) and the higher production cost, really


I think you've got it all wrong. What you've posted are just threads about displays that suffered from manufacturing defects or quality control issues, and not the displays themselves. They do not prove anything as they aren't "common problems".

Read DisplayMate's reply to one of the OPs of your threads:



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Some LCDs (such as the OnePlus One's) exhibit visible color shifting when viewed at moderate angles, which adversely affects peak brightness and viewing angles under certain conditions.

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You do know there are different type of IPS displays? The higher ends one don't exhibt this issues.

 

[vantt1]

I think you've got it wrong. Its pretty common on Amoled devices since the original Galaxy S. Its not a manufacturing defects or quality control issues its Amoled problem Samsung can't solve

So far you've mentioned AMOLEDs having a "common problem" but only posted some pictures and links to XDA threads (the contents of which are quite different). Can you please clarify what this "common problem" exactly is?

You do know there are different type of IPS displays? The higher ends one don't exhibt this issues.

Yes, I do. Coincidentally, both the OnePlus One and iPhone 6 have an LTPS IPS display. The type of panel is probably not the only contributing factor to display quality though, so there can be low and high quality panels of the same type (as demonstrated by the OPO vs. iPhone 6).

 

[epicrayban]

The S6 display is sublime.