Try installing the latest Office 365 onto it and come back to me after discussing it with your iMac. It will need Ventura or later, just so you know.
It can be done and you know exactly what it takes to do that, so why post that nonsense above?
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Only 7 years of support from release date is unacceptable for a $2000+ personal computer.
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It can be done and you know exactly what it takes to do that, so why post that nonsense above?
If I am going to run Windows or Linux on it, then why MacBook? PC from same age might have better specification and better drivers support. Apple is notorious on providing bar basic drivers support for Windows on its Intel MacBook Pro.
The latest graphic drivers for 2019 MacBook Pro for Windows was from 2023, there is no more driver updates...Who know when will Apple stop hosting Windows drivers for Intel Mac all together. All you get then is a paperweight.
Not anymore, they’ve been slowly making it more and more of a pain to install 11 on older machines and the requirements are getting firmer, they’re just boiling the frog. A *lot* of hardware is going to get EOLd by businesses in particular when MS drops updates to 10.
Asahi Linux is amazing work -- what just a handful of people have been able to make work despite so many obstacles continues to boggle the mind. Imagine the resources Apple has dedicated to doing the same while having the actual device documentation and access to inside and proprietary information. Then they've even gone further and made things like OpenGL 4.6 and Vulkan available when Apple hasn't.
That said it is still a few clicks away from being "done". Besides Thunderbolt (and USB-C display support and a few other misc things), they still haven't gotten to the M3 or M4 Macs nor the Mac Pro (guessing that one is waiting for both the time and someone to donate one...). The question is will this be sustainable and therefore a viable alternative years into the future?
The other issue is the ability to run commercial software. Without the ability to run macOS binaries, the result is just a really nice ARM Linux laptop/desktop. If one only needs to run Linux/source code available software, one might be better off starting with hardware whose manufacturer actually supports developers of alternate OS.
Again, the work the Asahi Linux people have done is amazing. If I had the money to finance the team I would.
Price is relevant to the expected life of a product in the Australian Consumer Law warranties, for example.
What is the expected life of a product? I have examples of a 2006 Mac Pro running Final Cut Pro 7, and my Macbook Pro from 2013, both viable, yet my 2013 ipad mini 2 is e-waste for only the arrogance of Apple Inc not updating the OS to allow some sort of viability.. 7 yrs is extremely short, but then 20 yrs seems excessive, but then 12 yrs is the lifespan of my Macbook Pro, still going strong, online, functional as much as my 2020 M1 Macbook Air.. So I guess a life-span would be measured up to the point my 2013 Macbook Pro no longer works online..
I had a perfectly good PC running Windows 10 that is not able to run Windows 11. I had to replace that one.
It is not just computing power. At one point I had a very old computer I was using for basic tasks. Just updating to something more modern it greatly reduced the power consumption and heat output of the device.
And I had a 2013 device that could not upgrade passed the 1511 update. Saying these generalized statements and years does not add any value to the conversation. As people reported you could by a Kaby lake system in 2020 that does NOT support Windows 11.
Its not just Microsoft you need to worry about, but Dell/HP/Lenovo need to provide drivers. This is why I mostly build my own PCs that standardized components.
And also with Windows 10, Microsoft made things far worse in the PC world. Windows 10 version 1507 is NOT still supported.
Version 1507
Released: Jul 29, 2015
End of Support: May 9, 2017
Was only supported for 2 years. And as I mentioned, one of my systems was NOT able to update to a later version at some point.
1803 was another bad one where many useful computers were NOT able to upgrade after that version.
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I am not an economist with a PHD, but I would love to know the answer to the question...
What is better, to sell more of a product for fewer Dollars, or sell fewer items for more Dollars?
I can only speak about my circumstance, had Apple or HP/Lenovo etc made decent laptops for sale that were not stupid expensive, I would have upgraded at least twice in 12 years since 2013... But as there was no need, I did not buy 2 ipads in the 12 yrs, but I did buy a new M1 Macbook Air, as it runs the software I need [Final Cut Pro 11]..
I would love a new ipad, but as they are just truly not affordable here, I won't, that makes at least 3 non purchases Apple has lost out on.. I suspect the sell more for less $$ would in this case make sense.. I would have bought 3 for what it costs to buy 1 now...
What is better, to sell more of a product for fewer Dollars, or sell fewer items for more Dollars?
I can only speak about my circumstance, had Apple or HP/Lenovo etc made decent laptops for sale that were not stupid expensive, I would have upgraded at least twice in 12 years since 2013... But as there was no need, I did not buy 2 ipads in the 12 yrs, but I did buy a new M1 Macbook Air, as it runs the software I need [Final Cut Pro 11]..
I would love a new ipad, but as they are just truly not affordable here, I won't, that makes at least 3 non purchases Apple has lost out on.. I suspect the sell more for less $$ would in this case make sense.. I would have bought 3 for what it costs to buy 1 now...
If you know anything about Win11 you would know it is NT, and that my friend goes back to the middle 1990's.. 99% of the crud that ruins Win11 is 40 yr old code.. Win11 is 96% bloatware, of which 99% of devices don't need that code, it is a scam to sell more devices.. M/soft could strip Win11 to 5% of what it is now, and every device from 1995 to 2025 would run 100%.. No question what M/soft is doing should be the subject of a world class action suit.
If you want a laugh, open cmd and run "ver" and check the windows version on Windows 11.
It's still windows 10.
Yes, which is the fork M/soft made after WinXP, they went the NT route instead of having 2 branches of software, NT really was for offices, and XP should have been Win-Home, but M/soft decided 1 is better, that is NT, and we have been abused since, Windows is a crime.. it is not software, but a criminal action, ongoing..
Yes this is one of my biggest issues with Windows these days. So many legacy junk in it. And why I still need to open legacy Control Panel to access basic functionality frustrates me.
Apple and M/soft are running, ruining, both, both guilty of the same crime, and I have yet to figure out, why it is legal for Apple Inc to be allowed to sell a device and not "allow" the user to determine what OS they want, this is ant-competitive,Ford cannot demand you only use a certain brand of fuel, so why it is OK for Apple to say you can only use Mac OS?
No joke, especially when making the leap to Apple Silicon. My normal upgrade cycle is once every 4-5 years. When the M1 Pro MBPs came out, I made a special exception to upgrade after only 2 years because the power savings were a game changer for how I could use my computer, especially when traveling.
That said, the kind of person I was referencing who'd never ever upgrade their computer if they had a choice aren't like me or (presumably) you. They could be running a 486 PC and still be using less power than us because they hardly use it at all.
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It's the same kernel. XP to Vista transition added mandatory access control and a display compositor, that is all. Still NT underneath.
Seems like the solution to your problem would be to buy a PC next time instead of a Mac.
I have used OCLP on a 2015 iMac that I support for a close relative to upgraded it from Monterey to Ventura. It works very well, although the installation procedure is quite complicated. I haven't used it for my personal Mac, because I'm still fine using Ventura.
The fact, that some amateurs were able to create software like OCLP in a way proves the point of this thread. The hardware is perfectly capable to run newer versions of macOS. It's just that Apple arbitrarily decided to cut some products off, possibly to nudge consumers to buy new Macs.
I can reproduce this answer from Google AI Search, but at least on my end it says that MacBooks last 5 to 8 years. I think that's an important distinction. I would expect a stationary Mac to last much longer than that though.
Then Windows is not for you. I still want Control Panel, this is how I use Windows and Control Panel is way better than new Settings.
Windows 11 isn’t slow, it runs just fine with modern hardware. Hack, you can run Windows 11 pretty well on a decade old computer.
Windows is all about backward compatibility that is the strength of Windows. The fact is that I can still run Windows 9x era software on Windows 11 is amazing.
Well. I will just OCLP macOS 26 on my old Intel machine. Even 2013 MacBook Pro runs macOS Sequoia pretty well. Until Apple drops support on Intel and two years later, this would be somewhere 2027, I will see what I can do with Intel Max.
This just shows Apple could have support the hardware longer, but their greediness prevents Apple support their hardware longer.
For gaming I’m pretty much forced to use windows. Especially for multiplayer games that have kernel anti cheat. I have no choice.
So?
How many times were you forced to use legacy Control Panels? And why is legacy Control Panels so annoying to you?
I my opinion and probably lots of professional's, Control Panel is way better than Settings app. I can use Control Panel faster than digging through Settings app.
It is all about adaptability and backward compatibility. For a person who used Windows since Window 3x ages, I can use Control Panel very fast.
Generally speaking price should not dictate support. if that was the case then All cars should come with minimum 30-year warranty instead of basic 4-year.
[Does make you wonder how a product with 4 wheels has less support then a computer 😲]
Personally, 7-years of support is very generous. Id say the average users replaces their computers at the 10-year mark, giving and additional 3 years of non support
[Does make you wonder how a product with 4 wheels has less support then a computer 😲]
Personally, 7-years of support is very generous. Id say the average users replaces their computers at the 10-year mark, giving and additional 3 years of non support