Only 7 years of support from release date is unacceptable for a $2000+ personal computer.

[Lioness~]

I haven't read all in this thread, only scrolled though it, so I don't know if someone mentioned this.
But what will Apple do now when there's Apple Care+ subscription, and if the owner woul'd continuing to pay for it longer then the device is suported?
Or will Apple cancel the AC+ at that time?

Myself I've usually ditch the AC+ after awhile if I bought it at purchace.
Usually you coul'd only buy for 3 yrs earlier. Now as it can be bought as subscription it's different. Though it's not worth it in long run in my oppinion. But my MacStudio gave me a pop-up that asked if I wanted to extend the AC+ recently.

But no, the price is not worth it if the Mac is relatively or totally stationary, in my oppinion.
But it sure feels good to have it when bought things at times at Apple, and you do get at least slightly better service from Apple.

Personally, I don't keep my Mac's that long, but just wondered what Apple will do in such situation 😂

 

[NewOldStock]

If you dont like the china controlled computer builder then dont buy one and there wont be any 7 year weight!
um wait@lol

 

[JustinePaula]

Where does Apple say that, at least as far as Macs go? There is not a single Mac that is locked down like that…

The way I see it, you should be able to walk into a store/order online for delivery, a Mac laptop, it is shipped with the OS you request, either Win11 if that is your choice or an Apple OS..It should not come pre-installed.. You should have the right to install what you want, Apple should not have the option to force an OS..

Yes I know it is possible to install other OS other than Mac OS, but for the average user, this is a bridge too far, and that is maybe unfair by Apple..

 

[seek3r]

The way I see it, you should be able to walk into a store/order online for delivery, a Mac laptop, it is shipped with the OS you request, either Win11 if that is your choice or an Apple OS..

Microsoft has an exclusivity deal with Qualcomm for Windows on ARM that theoretically expires this year… That’s Apple’s problem?

It should not come pre-installed..

which will freak the majority of buyers out

You should have the right to install what you want, Apple should not have the option to force an OS..

It comes with their OS. The bootloader isnt locked, they arent stopping other folks from making their own OS work… (see: Asahi)

Yes I know it is possible to install other OS other than Mac OS, but for the average user, this is a bridge too far, and that is maybe unfair by Apple..

That’s kinda a bridge too far for most computer users on most computers

 

[bzgnyc2]

It comes with their OS. The bootloader isnt locked, they arent stopping other folks from making their own OS work… (see: Asahi)

The work of Asahi is amazing and also interesting as it illuminates the underlying hardware. What's shared with the iPhone, engineering tradeoffs Apple made, etc.

Then as the result of the work of the Asahi team, we can see what Apple has actually done and why:

Introduction to Apple Silicon - Asahi Linux Documentation

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asahilinux.org

In some ways it looks better than T2-based Macs. If only Apple documented things a bit more so the team didn't have to reverse engineer as much...

Who knows maybe I'll switch to an AS Mac running Asahi and Darling in a few years...

 

[seek3r]

The work of Asahi is amazing and also interesting as it illuminates the underlying hardware. What's shared with the iPhone, engineering tradeoffs Apple made, etc.

Then as the result of the work of the Asahi team, we can see what Apple has actually done and why:

Introduction to Apple Silicon - Asahi Linux Documentation

None

asahilinux.org

In some ways it looks better than T2-based Macs. If only Apple documented things a bit more so the team didn't have to reverse engineer as much...

Who knows maybe I'll switch to an AS Mac running Asahi and Darling in a few years...

It's absolutely better than the T2 Macs, thunderbolt so far aside.

 

[SevenTheGamingKitty]

BUT BUT BUT you can install Windows 10 on a computer from 2007!

That seriously depends on what features or specs the computer has.

 

[seek3r]

BUT BUT BUT you can install Windows 10 on a computer from 2007!

and itll get security updates for whole 4 months, yay!

 

[cjsuk]

I believe all that could break has already broken, like a PSU that I replaced a while back. Samsung SSDs are reliable, so I feel safe about my data. Still, keeping most thing in OneDrive, and my software has a full backup feature.

Literally anything except the motherboard is replaceable, and even if it breaks, I will be able to boot my SSD with a new computer and all the software.

We did so when my son's ASUS ROG broke (motherboard failure), and he didn't even need to reinstall Windows, just run the installer for some programs on his new desktop.

From this experience (and yet another laptop that literally fell apart after 7 years), I've concluded that laptops are not worth it. If they break, proprietary parts are too expensive to fix — repair would cost me 2/3 of the laptop price. So, I've decided to never buy them again, switching to custom-made desktops where all is replaceable and upgradeable.

That's more the "ship of Theseus" applied to PCs which is fine

Just a warning. OneDrive is NOT a backup. It's a convenient sync tool but definitely not a backup solution. Neither is iCloud. Consider the day your machine gets owned and you lose your microsoft account creds at the same time as the machine. You have no backup then. I got thoroughly screwed a couple of years back with an unresolvable billing problem from Microsoft as well. Lost my O365 account over it as did my three kids and partner.

Backups here are two complete offline copies, one kept off site and a NAS.

Agree with desktops. Far superior.