Opinion on Mirrorless

[rayjay86]

Ok so here's the deal, looking for perspectives and don't have a ton of time

I have been an Olympus shooter for a while (changed after my Nikon kit became way too clunky and heavy).
I've got a nice compact OMD E-M10, MZuiko 12-40 PRO, Panasonic 20mm and a few little accessories. They fit into a small Crumper messenger bag which I often put into a backpack as an insert when I travel.

Recently gotten really into hiking so I've been taking more landscape shots, but I love urban photography too. I've just start experimenting with long exposure photography and milky way photography (for some reason stars are super visible in Australia versus Canada where I used to live, even very short drives out of the city)

My dilemma:
Sony A7II has come on sale, $1699 with a $300 mail in rebate
I can sell all my Olympus gear for around $1000 and had planned on buying an MZuiko 7-14mm PRO which was about $1400

I COULD upgrade to the Sony system and get maybe one or two prime lenses or continue with Olympus

My main things are:
- Compact/portable
- Image quality (I think Sony wins here hands down)
- Cost; Olympus is the winner but maybe third party companies will be coming out with FF lenses?

Thoughts?? Please help! I am hoping to have this sorted before I go on my honeymoon to Asia in January!

 

[Hughmac]

This is going to raise many points as people argue for their own particular favourite brand

However, when I changed from a Sony A7 to an Olympus E-M10 ii I found the image quality to be as good. I then defected to Panasonic micro 4/3 because of the easier menu system than the Oly.

If you can get hold of a Sony A7ii to try out before making the final decision, that would maybe help you the most.

Cheers

Hugh

 

[kenoh]

I will chime in here too.

I have tried a fair selection of consumer through enthusiast through pro options. My DSLR experience is primarily with Canon. Didnt gel with Nikon (thats just me though, nothing wrong with them of course).

I ditched DSLR as I never took them anywhere due to bulk - had a young family at the time so my DSLR orbited the house. Mirrorless I take with me.

I then ended up at Sony A7Rii via a MKi A7, tried an Olympus OMD E-M5ii and latterly a Fuji X-Pro2.

My carry all is a Sony RX100.

and I am lucky enough to shoot a pair of exotics.... Leica M9 and MM.

Why am I telling you all this. Not to brag, just because despite having tried all sorts in my quest for better images... I have learned in my case at least, the camera system is secondary. I still cannot shoot gorgeous wall hanging worthy images because I am still rotten at spotting interesting things to shoot.

From the ones you have listed, they are all good enough.

What I will say though is some things that may not appear on a spec sheet.... this is my experience... I may be being pedantic... but maybe this will help...

1. The Sony battery life will get on your proverbials. Landscape shooting on a Sony is great but the battery drains really quick when doing long exposures. The A7Rii comes supplied with two batteries... BIG hint...
2. The Olympus is plastic and a bit light. I also find the M4/3 to have a lot of noise in the shadows. While these can be worked in LR, as an amateur... life is just too short to fight with images getting them to a good starting point.
3. Olympus lenses are great. The Olympus 60mm macro is lovely. The 12-40 Pro is fabulous. The 7-14, beautiful.
4. Sony, you could upgrade but be ready to bleed cash for lenses. Sony lenses are phenomenal quality HOWEVER... they get expensive real quick if you want to get the best IQ out of that body. This is the primary reason why I am weaning myself off Sony. I just cant justify that kind of spend anymore.
5. Fuji is great but you have to get the right lenses. Cheap out on the lenses and you see it in the images. Get the right lenses and it sings. Battery life is great too.
6. As an amateur, I dont need full frame. I can still take my happy snaps just fine on a crop sensor like I do on a FF.
7. Mirrorless Full Frame lenses are the same size as DSLR lenses - laws of Physics. So the weight saving is only in the body. Don't get me wrong it is a saving but not as massive as they would have you believe. Also. The selling point of the E Mount lenses is the shallow depth from sensor to flange making it possible to adapt almost any lens to it. This means lenses from Sigma, Tamron etc, have extra deep mounts as they are repurposed lenses from Canon Nikon mount meaning sometimes they are actually bigger.
8. Legacy glass on the A7 series is a thing of beauty. With the A7ii, image stabilised glass from 1953??? no problem! I blame my Leica addiction on Sony BTW...

I am trying very hard to get off of Full Frame right now purely because the cost of everything is just getting crazy. If I were you, I would get that Zuiko lens and a set of Lee Filters.... 6-stop, 10-stop, 0.6 grad, 0.9 grad and the polarizer... then get out and shoot that olympus to within an inch of its life. THEN look at what you cannot do with it and get an upgrade that addresses that shortcoming... remember posting images on FB and Flickr and here even, the image quality difference between the A7 series and a crop sensor is very very hard to tell.

This is just my opinion... you may think different, that is cool... but dont waste money like I have is my advice. The camera is not the primary reason why your images could possibly be better... 80% of it at least is at what, and how you point it at stuff..

Hope this helps.

 

[rayjay86]

However, when I changed from a Sony A7 to an Olympus E-M10 ii I found the image quality to be as good.

Just curious what prompted you to switch? I’m literally about to do the opposite...
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I will chime in here too.

I have tried a fair selection of consumer through enthusiast through pro options. My DSLR experience is primarily with Canon. Didnt gel with Nikon (thats just me though, nothing wrong with them of course).

I ditched DSLR as I never took them anywhere due to bulk - had a young family at the time so my DSLR orbited the house. Mirrorless I take with me.

I then ended up at Sony A7Rii via a MKi A7, tried an Olympus OMD E-M5ii and latterly a Fuji X-Pro2.

My carry all is a Sony RX100.

and I am lucky enough to shoot a pair of exotics.... Leica M9 and MM.

Why am I telling you all this. Not to brag, just because despite having tried all sorts in my quest for better images... I have learned in my case at least, the camera system is secondary. I still cannot shoot gorgeous wall hanging worthy images because I am still rotten at spotting interesting things to shoot.

From the ones you have listed, they are all good enough.

What I will say though is some things that may not appear on a spec sheet.... this is my experience... I may be being pedantic... but maybe this will help...

1. The Sony battery life will get on your proverbials. Landscape shooting on a Sony is great but the battery drains really quick when doing long exposures. The A7Rii comes supplied with two batteries... BIG hint...
2. The Olympus is plastic and a bit light. I also find the M4/3 to have a lot of noise in the shadows. While these can be worked in LR, as an amateur... life is just too short to fight with images getting them to a good starting point.
3. Olympus lenses are great. The Olympus 60mm macro is lovely. The 12-40 Pro is fabulous. The 7-14, beautiful.
4. Sony, you could upgrade but be ready to bleed cash for lenses. Sony lenses are phenomenal quality HOWEVER... they get expensive real quick if you want to get the best IQ out of that body. This is the primary reason why I am weaning myself off Sony. I just cant justify that kind of spend anymore.
5. Fuji is great but you have to get the right lenses. Cheap out on the lenses and you see it in the images. Get the right lenses and it sings. Battery life is great too.
6. As an amateur, I dont need full frame. I can still take my happy snaps just fine on a crop sensor like I do on a FF.
7. Mirrorless Full Frame lenses are the same size as DSLR lenses - laws of Physics. So the weight saving is only in the body. Don't get me wrong it is a saving but not as massive as they would have you believe. Also. The selling point of the E Mount lenses is the shallow depth from sensor to flange making it possible to adapt almost any lens to it. This means lenses from Sigma, Tamron etc, have extra deep mounts as they are repurposed lenses from Canon Nikon mount meaning sometimes they are actually bigger.
8. Legacy glass on the A7 series is a thing of beauty. With the A7ii, image stabilised glass from 1953??? no problem! I blame my Leica addiction on Sony BTW...

I am trying very hard to get off of Full Frame right now purely because the cost of everything is just getting crazy. If I were you, I would get that Zuiko lens and a set of Lee Filters.... 6-stop, 10-stop, 0.6 grad, 0.9 grad and the polarizer... then get out and shoot that olympus to within an inch of its life. THEN look at what you cannot do with it and get an upgrade that addresses that shortcoming... remember posting images on FB and Flickr and here even, the image quality difference between the A7 series and a crop sensor is very very hard to tell.

This is just my opinion... you may think different, that is cool... but dont waste money like I have is my advice. The camera is not the primary reason why your images could possibly be better... 80% of it at least is at what, and how you point it at stuff..

Hope this helps.

Wow thank you for that! It’s funny, literally as I was reading this I was thinking “this all makes sense”

I’ve temporarily agreed to sell the olympus to someone for about $1300 which basically would cover the cost of the new A7ii but now thinking about it you’re rigjt, I’d be sacrificing a lot by way of weight and portability...! For the $1600 I was going to spend I may be able to get a new lens and a set of Lee filters

Thanks so much for all that! Still need some time to think about it but it’s a harder decision now...

Also it seems there are a lot of third party lenses coming out for Sony which are cheaper with good reviews, eg the Rokinon 24mm which would be great for Astro photography which I’m getting into

 

[kenoh]

Just curious what prompted you to switch? I’m literally about to do the opposite...
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Wow thank you for that! It’s funny, literally as I was reading this I was thinking “this all makes sense”

I’ve temporarily agreed to sell the olympus to someone for about $1300 which basically would cover the cost of the new A7ii but now thinking about it you’re rigjt, I’d be sacrificing a lot by way of weight and portability...! For the $1600 I was going to spend I may be able to get a new lens and a set of Lee filters

Thanks so much for all that! Still need some time to think about it but it’s a harder decision now...

So.... This is not anything other than for your benefit...

If you look at my flickr feed www.flckr.com/kenoh, look at my albums and you can compare the cameras in real world by me so consistent skills and not a pro in post so only really the camera changes.

1. Loup of Fintry and Clydefalls - these were taken on an Olympus.
2. The Glencoe and Utah/Grand Canyon taken THIS year are on a Fuji X-Pro2
3. The UTAH and Arizona images from last year are on A7Rii

No need for commentary on my skills or lack of, dont feel obliged. I know I am mediocre at best but I hope it can help you with your decision.

Honestly though, improving your eye and vision and using filters certainly for landscapes is way bigger bang for buck than a change of system...

2 caveats, Lee filters are expensive so if you are contemplating a switch to FF later or you get the 7-14 lens then consider the 100mm filter system from the get go. Buy right, buy once... The 7five system is great but some of the lenses at the wide end vignette too much.

Second caveat... Erm cant remember now... Will edit when it comes back to me oops...
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Just curious what prompted you to switch? I’m literally about to do the opposite...
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Wow thank you for that! It’s funny, literally as I was reading this I was thinking “this all makes sense”

I’ve temporarily agreed to sell the olympus to someone for about $1300 which basically would cover the cost of the new A7ii but now thinking about it you’re rigjt, I’d be sacrificing a lot by way of weight and portability...! For the $1600 I was going to spend I may be able to get a new lens and a set of Lee filters

Thanks so much for all that! Still need some time to think about it but it’s a harder decision now...

Also it seems there are a lot of third party lenses coming out for Sony which are cheaper with good reviews, eg the Rokinon 24mm which would be great for Astro photography which I’m getting into

So... More.comparisons... my next image purchases - fuelled by the beauty of images from another person on here would be - bearing in mind I already have the 28,35,55 and 70-200 for the sony...

My next purchases would be 24-70 f2.8, 16-35 f4 and the 100-400mmm

This would cost £4,500 in the UK.... So just be careful. It is like buying a car... Buying it in the first place is only half the story... Running it is where it gets expensive...

Happy to discuss my wonky view of the world more if need be...

Also the Rokinons have some gens in there but they are manual focus. So you will need to find your groove with manual. That doesnt bother me as I love old manual focus lenses but if you are a fan if auto focus then it may not be for you.

 

[maflynn]

My dilemma:
Sony A7II has come on sale, $1699 with a $300 mail in rebate
I can sell all my Olympus gear for around $1000 and had planned on buying an MZuiko 7-14mm PRO which was about $1400

I'm not familiar with the Sony, but it seems like you get a full frame sensor, it appears to be a bigger phone then the Oly, and the body only is coming in at about 1,300.

One question - how invested are you in the Oly platform, i.e., lenses. You'll have to but a new set of lenses with the Sony, which could add up.

Personally, I like the Olympus and wouldn't move, you could end up chasing the next best thing and never settling down, but I understand where you're coming from. I was re-evaluating my situation in light of my original OMD EM-5 taking a swim in a river this past summer. Eventually (at least for my needs), I opted to get another Oly body.

 

[Hughmac]

Just curious what prompted you to switch? I’m literally about to do the opposite...

I switched primarily because of the bulk of the whole system; as Ken has said the lenses on FF Sony are just as big as DSLR ones.
I went for something more portable, but another reason for me was that I felt I wasn't getting on well with a Full Frame camera - it was too good for the quality of photography I could manage, and in my opinion it was wasted on me.
I was also spending a real load of money on lenses, and when I cashed in and moved to micro 4/3 I had enough to buy 2 cameras (albeit 2nd hand) plus all the decent lenses I can handle.

Cheers

Hugh

 

[rayjay86]

I'm not familiar with the Sony, but it seems like you get a full frame sensor, it appears to be a bigger phone then the Oly, and the body only is coming in at about 1,300.

One question - how invested are you in the Oly platform, i.e., lenses. You'll have to but a new set of lenses with the Sony, which could add up.

Personally, I like the Olympus and wouldn't move, you could end up chasing the next best thing and never settling down, but I understand where you're coming from. I was re-evaluating my situation in light of my original OMD EM-5 taking a swim in a river this past summer. Eventually (at least for my needs), I opted to get another Oly body.

At the moment I’ve got a 12-40 PRO and a Panasonic 20mm 1.7 which was the first lens I ever bought for the Olympus.
I find the noise in low light really distracting. Maybe it’s the em10 mki that’s the problem. In that case buying a new body may solve that and avoid the FF cost jump
I guess I’m not overly invested as some others are.
I don’t mind the manual focus old lenses, I was looking at getting the Samyang 7.5 for Oly night shooting which I believe is also manual
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I felt I wasn't getting on well with a Full Frame camera - it was too good for the quality of photography I could manage, and in my opinion it was wasted on me.

Hugh

Could you explain this a bit more? I’m not sure I understand what you are trying to say

 

[maflynn]

I find the noise in low light really distracting. Maybe it’s the em10 mki that’s the problem.

I would suspect its more about the sensor size, so the newer EM10 won't help you as much.

I have the 12-40 pro and but I have the Panny 20mm pancake which is slower. I'd say in most situations the low light processing on my EM5 is decent, as I rarely take a flash with me, but in situations its there.

The other option is to maybe buy the Sony, and then try it for a week or two and return it if you don't like it.

Also consider the indepth reviews done by dpreview

Sony A7 https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-alpha-7-ii/2
Olympus OM-D EM10 MK III https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympus-om-d-e-m10-mark-iii

Read through both and see how they perform

 

[Hughmac]

Could you explain this a bit more? I’m not sure I understand what you are trying to say

What I mean to say, is that I didn't get on well with the A7. I used it for a few months, took quite a few shots, but I couldn't gel with the camera. It's just a personal feeling, so please don't let it put you off - others on this forum absolutely love their A7s.
Maybe I'm just not ready for full frame yet.

Cheers

Hugh

 

[kenoh]

At the moment I’ve got a 12-40 PRO and a Panasonic 20mm 1.7 which was the first lens I ever bought for the Olympus.
I find the noise in low light really distracting. Maybe it’s the em10 mki that’s the problem. In that case buying a new body may solve that and avoid the FF cost jump
I guess I’m not overly invested as some others are.
I don’t mind the manual focus old lenses, I was looking at getting the Samyang 7.5 for Oly night shooting which I believe is also manual
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Could you explain this a bit more? I’m not sure I understand what you are trying to say

Your camera holding technique needs to be better when shooting FF. Without effective stabilisation, then you need to have your holding technique practised as it is much less tolerant of movement.

In terms of my own shooting, my photography doesnt necessarily improve as a direct result of using a Full Frame camera. It isnt like I can take an image on the crop sensor camera then take a close image in Full Frame and see directly the reason why I paid double for the full frame body.. is the image double the quality? no.

The marketing tells you it is SO much better than APS-C for noise handling and details....

Is this true ? well yes.... BUT... it is true in the sense that "a Ferrari is faster than a BMW M5" - true statement but a M5 is not slow either...

Thing is, Full Frame is one of those things, you need to experience it... to know it isnt the panacea... I know photographers who can take better images (within constraints) with their iphone than I can with my proper camera! @Alexander.Of.Oz is a prime example... he can kick my ass every which way from Sunday using just his phone... The sunshine in Australia helps of course!

But then you look at someone like @anotherscotsman who puts out tremendous work from a Canon FF.

My point is the line is blurring between full frame and cropped sensor nowadays so spend wisely for your needs.

I would suspect you have latitude to improve without going Full Frame..... just food for thought...

This of course is without seeing your work, maybe you are hitting the limits already. Post some pictures...

 

[MCAsan]

If you look at DxOmark camera ratings, the Sony A7rIII is tied with Nikon 850 as top 35mm body. Just below A7rIII is A7rII, not another Nikon body. The point is if you want mirrorless 35mm, you want Sony.
https://www.dxomark.com/category/camera-reviews/

The wife and I gave up on 35mm DSLR systems years ago and went with Olympus E-M1 bodies and Pro lenses. One of the main drives was size and weight. The wife can carry a E-M1 with a 300mm Pro lens. She could not do that with a Canon DSLR and a 500mm...forget a 600mm. The side benefit is a huge cost savings compared to top of the line 35mm bodies and lenses.

Do we miss 35mm DSLRs? No. We stood in the rain at Lake Clark shooting brown bears while the high cost 35mm systems from Nikon and Canon around us were having problems with leaks, even using rain sleeves. We just extended the hoods on the 40-150mm or 300mm and kept shooting. Since then we upgraded from E-M1 bodies to E-M1 II bodies and find them to be fantastic for wildlife and landscapes.

Ultimately you have to decide what is most important....sensor capabilities, equipment size and weight, equipment cost,...etc. We are very happy to be shooting m43 Olympus systems.

 

[maflynn]

Ultimately you have to decide what is most important....sensor capabilities, equipment size and weight, equipment cost,...etc. We are very happy to be shooting m43 Olympus systems.

Don't under sell the benefits of size, I love the form/size/weight of my OMD EM5.

This was one of the main factors in my purchase decision

 

[MCAsan]

The wife and I each can put our respective two E-M1 II bodies and 4 lenses in a large Tenba messenger bag and slip a 12.9" iPad Pro in the back and still fit within the onboard luggage restrictions of 15kg. Back in the Canon DSLR days that would be a rolling bag that would weight at least 50 pounds and not be allowed in the passenger compartment on small planes. On a flight from Cape Town to Johannesburg I had to bribe the checkin folks to allow us to bring the bags on board. Granted, it was only 100ZAR ($15) each.

 

[ChrisA]

Spend all of $100 and get a 1970's vintage Minolta SRT and lens. Shoot film. Results will be better then high end digital camera for landscapes. The SRT is as small as many mirrorless bodies. It will work just fine even if you remove the battery. The quality of the old Minolta glass was outstanding, good as the classic manual focus Nikon.

Not only is the quality better but when you are done resell the camera for the same price you paid.

The key here is that you are only shooting landscapes. No-one shoots 100+ frames of a mountain but you do need auto modes either.

Today you price and scan the negatives. Realistically you end up with 24 megapixel images that have maybe 12-stops of dynamic range. Not bad for a $100 camera system plus a film cost of about 30 cents per frame. For landscapes this works, Maybe not if shooting football from the sidelines. Digital does better in many situations like taking shots in low light indoor setting of people. Landscape are never quick shots, the subject does not mind waiting. And yo never take 1000 frames so one 36 exposure roll can last a weekend

I prefer the Kodak Protra 160 or even better agfa 160 but its out of production. These have great highlight details, something hard to get with digital. he low contrast negative film captures a huge range of light and color then in post processing to can do a lot.

 

[rayjay86]

The em1 isn’t an option at the moment because it costs more (with the Christmas sales) than the A7II

Someone’s offered $1200 for my whole Olympus kit so that would allow me to buy a Sony and a single lens for my upcoming Japan trip (keeping in mind I was willing to spend a few hundred extra anyways)

I remember considering the em5 a long time ago but price made me choose the em10

If I were to forgo this whole Sony adventure and just buy a new lens for the Olympus system which one would you suggest, considering my need for landscape, long exposure and Astro photography

I’ve already got my 12-40 and 20mm as my main urban lenses

 

[MCAsan]

12-40 or 7-14 Pro lenses. I like them both for landscape and night shots. I carry both with 40-150 and 300 Pro lenses.

 

[Alexander.Of.Oz]

Thing is, Full Frame is one of those things, you need to experience it... to know it isnt the panacea... I know photographers who can take better images (within constraints) with their iphone than I can with my proper camera! @Alexander.Of.Oz is a prime example... he can kick my ass every which way from Sunday using just his phone... The sunshine in Australia helps of course!

Aah, shucks! Thanks for the compliment, but it really comes down to a compelling subject and good composition first and foremost. That can be achieved by any camera really.

Personally, I'm loving my Happy Snappers organisation's M43 mirrorless cameras! I'm suitably impressed by their quality of imagery, and that's just using stock kit-type-lenses! The participants love them for their small size and un-intimidating appearance as compared to the DSLR's. At each session I hold, the M43's are the first cameras to be picked up!

 

[rayjay86]

Aah, shucks! Thanks for the compliment, but it really comes down to a compelling subject and good composition first and foremost. That can be achieved by any camera really.

Personally, I'm loving my Happy Snappers organisation's M43 mirrorless cameras! I'm suitably impressed by their quality of imagery, and that's just using stock kit-type-lenses! The participants love them for their small size and un-intimidating appearance as compared to the DSLR's. At each session I hold, the M43's are the first cameras to be picked up!

You’re in Adelaide! Me too!
What is this happy snappers you’re talking about?

 

[Alexander.Of.Oz]

You’re in Adelaide! Me too!
What is this happy snappers you’re talking about?

Good to see someone else from Adelaide here!

It's a free/voluntary service I offer to those living with mental health challenges in their lives, allowing them to experience mindfulness easily through the use of digital cameras! If you click the link that says "Happy Snappers" below each of my posts, you can find out more.

 

[rayjay86]

So to summarise it sounds like people seem very in favour of me staying with my olympus system

Now for the whole reason I started looking at new gear:

Lens choice
Was looking at the 7-14 or the 8mm 1.8 PRO lenses from olympus

I’ve seen positive reviews about the laowa 7.5 f2 as well

The only issue I see with the PRO lenses is the funny issue about attaching filters to the front because of the glass shape

A good set of filters is down the track as well, can’t get those AND a new lens in the same purchase, my wife would kill me

 

[MCAsan]

The only issue I see with the PRO lenses is the funny issue about attaching filters to the front because of the glass shape

I have B+W ND and Polarizers for my 12-40, 40-150, and 300. The 7-14 is too wide for using filters as you will get halo effects....just like with a wide prime. Hence the 7-14 was not designed for filters. You can get an adapter from someone in the UK. It slides on like a hood as I remember.

 

[mmomega]

Mediocre shooter myself so take that in to account.

But I am on a Sony a7R2 and a6000.
Just have the 16-35 Zeiss and 50 Sony at the moment for lenses.
Misses Claus has hinted there may be more glass in my future so we'll see what that ends up being.

I've shot a bit with the 100STF GMaster, 85 Sony and 55 Zeiss and love love love the 100 it also being a macro is quite nice.

So far I really love my camera.
Something recently rekindled my love for shooting so I am just embracing it head on.
As much learning, researching, classes, talking to local photographers as much as I can.

My only previous cameras were Canon Rebel DSLR's from 10-15 years back.

I don't have much issue with the battery life on the R2, it is so fast at being ready to shoot almost immediately that I'll take 5-10 shots then turn it off while I walk then repeat. I'll get several hundred per battery.
I don't too any long exposures or time lapses at the moment either just because my iPhone does such a good job with that.
I can set it on a tripod and let it do its thing while I am taking other photos.

Hoping you can find the right gear that fits for you. Just for myself Sony is where I am at.

 

[kenoh]

At the moment I’ve got a 12-40 PRO and a Panasonic 20mm 1.7 which was the first lens I ever bought for the Olympus.
I find the noise in low light really distracting. Maybe it’s the em10 mki that’s the problem. In that case buying a new body may solve that and avoid the FF cost jump
I guess I’m not overly invested as some others are.
I don’t mind the manual focus old lenses, I was looking at getting the Samyang 7.5 for Oly night shooting which I believe is also manual
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Could you explain this a bit more? I’m not sure I understand what you are trying to say

Hiya. Ok so here is your challenge with the Sony. You have the 12-40 Pro for the Oly. You are likely going to want the "same" for the Sony. First point to consider, the Sony isnt weather resistant like the Oly. Point 2, you can get the £800 24-70 f4 for the sony but it is underwhelming at best. Therefore like me you are now talking about the £1,799 24-70 f2.8 G Master. That is a phenomenal lens but it is £1,000 more expensive than the m4/3 closest comparison. Is it better? I will leave that to DxO but in my experience my email mages just dont warrant an extra grand in cost.

Similarly, Sony 16-35 f4 (lets not even go there on the f2.8 version at £2,300). The equivalent of the 16-35 for the fuji is £799. For the Sony £1,199. Not as big a jump but still considerable. Lee foundation holder, couple of adapters and a big stoppers worth of considerable...

Maybe your images are way better than mine in which case you may need to bite the bullet but my personal journey tells me I dont need full frame so I can be much more cost efficient.

 

[Apple fanboy]

Why is everyone on here saying they are rubbish shooters!

Come on guys. Your images are as good as everyone else's.

Full frame, DSLR, mirrorless it doesn't really matter. Use what you want.