OS X 10.10.4 and Wi-Fi Performance

[chevalier433]

10.10.5 Beta fixed WiFi issue for me

Not true same **** for me.

 

[chevalier433]

http://ilikekillnerds.com/2014/10/apple-os-x-yosemite-wifi-issues/

I love that article.

 

[dyn]

If you like to read something absolutely useless as a rant then I can see why you love it. Other than that it's just a waste of bandwidth. No technical details in that article whatsoever. Not a very wise thing to put on ones blog when one claims to be a developer since one shows one is incapable of doing technical analyses which any developer should be able to do. Especially if the other articles only cover basics on how to install and update software and such.

 

[williamapple]

Hey guys, as mentioned before in this thread, I have been having wifi issues for the last 3 years now, the wifi issues are clearly os related. I tried every trick I could find on the internet, clean installl, everything... I also used one of the fixes mentioned in this thread by a fellow forummember. Wifi worked perfect for 2 weeks, but then suddenly without changing any setting or wifi hardware, the problems came back. At the same time the other forum member his fix stopped working for him as well and he lives at the other side of the ocean. So this set me thinking that the origin of the problem is outside "our box", meaning in the cloud. OS X backs up wifi data on iCloud which is perhaps causing somehow all this trouble, I turned off syncing the keychain function to iCloud and it's a world of difference.

 

[dyn]

What Mac do you use and what wifi hardware (AP/router) do you have? How long has your connection been stable now without iCloud Keychain?

 

[Ardmanz]

@dyn.

It's simple logic really. It worked fine in Mavericks, it didn't in Yosemite. No one is denying that Wifi isn't a complex beast but when we have multiple people claiming exactly the same thing - fine in Mavericks and every other device connected to the network but not on a mac running Yosemite even when other locations/routers are tested then it doesn't really take a genius to see that the common denominator is Yosemite.

I don't understand why you are so unwilling to believe that the problem may be/may have been with the OS.

Me personally, the last update fixed the issue so again, the logical conclusion is that it was the software that was at fault.

You haven't been able to give any useful suggestions thus far in this thread and you seem to be annoyed that people have come to the conclusion that it's down to Yosemite so perhaps it's best to stay out of the thread until you have a useful suggestion that may fix users issue other than "wifi is complex".

 

[Taz Mangus]

@dyn.

It's simple logic really. It worked fine in Mavericks, it didn't in Yosemite. No one is denying that Wifi isn't a complex beast but when we have multiple people claiming exactly the same thing - fine in Mavericks and every other device connected to the network but not on a mac running Yosemite even when other locations/routers are tested then it doesn't really take a genius to see that the common denominator is Yosemite.

I don't understand why you are so unwilling to believe that the problem may be/may have been with the OS.

Me personally, the last update fixed the issue so again, the logical conclusion is that it was the software that was at fault.

You haven't been able to give any useful suggestions thus far in this thread and you seem to be annoyed that people have come to the conclusion that it's down to Yosemite so perhaps it's best to stay out of the thread until you have a useful suggestion that may fix users issue other than "wifi is complex".

What puzzles me the most is how inconsistent the problem affects people. And what I mean about that is that you have some people who it never effected, some people whom it did, and then you have the case where the last update fixed your WiFi issue and yet the last update did not fix it for some other people. In my particular case I never had an issue with WiFi or Bluetooth using Yosemite on any of my Mac computers (5 total, different years and different models) even in 10.10.3 or 10.10.4.

So it begs the question given that two different people are using the same model year and same model of computer, both using OS X 10.10.4, both using the same manufacturer of WiFi gear (even Apple WiFi gear), why does one of the two people have the issue with WiFi while the other person reports not having the WiFi issue? Wouldn't you think that both people would have the same WiFi issue.

 

[Ardmanz]

What puzzles me the most is how inconsistent the problem affects people. And what I mean about that is that you have some people who it never effected, some people whom it did, and then you have the case where the last update fixed your WiFi issue and yet the last update did not fix it for some other people. In my particular case I never had an issue with WiFi or Bluetooth using Yosemite on any of my Mac computers (5 total, different years and different models) even in 10.10.3 or 10.10.4.

So it begs the question given that two different people are using the same model year and same model of computer, both using OS X 10.10.4, both using the same manufacturer of WiFi gear (even Apple WiFi gear), why does one of the two people have the issue with WiFi while the other person reports not having the WiFi issue? Wouldn't you think that both people would have the same WiFi issue.

I agree, it's very strange. There doesn't seem to be much consistency and it seems to be difficult for some people to duplicate the fault.

The only constant seems to be Yosemite.

 

[dsemf]

I agree, it's very strange. There doesn't seem to be much consistency and it seems to be difficult for some people to duplicate the fault.

The only constant seems to be Yosemite.

My wife's 2011 MBA had recurring problems waking up WIFI on Mavericks. Yosemite fixed it for her, starting with 10.10.0 and is still fine on 10.10.4. My 2013 MBA worked fine on Mavericks, Yosemite and now El Capitan.

When there are no common symptoms, fixing the problems can be very difficult.

DS

 

[dyn]

@dyn.

It's simple logic really. It worked fine in Mavericks, it didn't in Yosemite.

I was merely wondering how the known workaround of disabling iCloud Keychain works out for the poster above me. There are many known workarounds and fixes so it really helps if we know a bit more about which hardware and software is used. If people with the same stuff run into the same issue they can try the same workaround.

It isn't about if it worked in version x or y, it's about how to get it to work properly. And, that isn't simple logic as "it worked when <insert reason> and stopped when <insert reason>". Yosemite is a rather big change from Mavericks which requires software (drivers, apps, etc.) to be updated. It is not uncommon that this requires buying an upgrade which usually aggravates people who simply refuse to buy it and continue with the old unsupported version. How do you know that this isn't interfering with things? It happened with SmcFanControl for example.

I don't understand why you are so unwilling to believe that the problem may be/may have been with the OS.

Because I'm not, I'm only warning that you guys are oversimplifying the problem which leads to a really bad analysis and in quite a lot of cases to the wrong fix/workaround (people apply it and then notice it doesn't work). The difference is in the message. Yours is: "it's OS X, if you have wifi issues restoring to a previous version solves everything!". Mine is: "check what's going on, search for similar experiences, try out various fixes/workarounds and see what works; if all else fails you can always restore from backup". I can guarantee you that people will have found the solution to their wifi problems much quicker with my advice than with yours.

You haven't been able to give any useful suggestions thus far in this thread and you seem to be annoyed that people have come to the conclusion that it's down to Yosemite so perhaps it's best to stay out of the thread until you have a useful suggestion that may fix users issue other than "wifi is complex".

That's because you didn't bother to read any of my replies and because I disagree with the "restore to Mavericks because it fixes your wifi issue" tantra of yours. I'm an engineer interested in finding the solution, not a marketeer like you shouting silly things. So stop trolling and start reading peoples replies here. If you want a solution then experiment with the various given workarounds and restore when all else fails.

Remember: sticking your fingers in your ears will get rid of the loud noises but it will also stop you from hearing the nice things like music, birds, etc.

What puzzles me the most is how inconsistent the problem affects people. And what I mean about that is that you have some people who it never effected, some people whom it did, and then you have the case where the last update fixed your WiFi issue and yet the last update did not fix it for some other people.

Exactly. Just because it fixes things for someone else doesn't mean it will fix it for you too. There is no magic fix or formula that helps in every case. The only way to find out is to try it and since restoring or even reinstalling takes a lot of time go for the fixes first. If one of those work you just saved yourself some time

The only constant seems to be Yosemite.

Duh, guess which version is the current OS X version. Now if you then also take into account that OS X has a very high adoption rate when it comes to new OS X versions you should be able to do the math. The only reason that Yosemite is the only constant is because the majority of Mac users run it. That's the problem, in fact there isn't really a good constant in this issue. The only actual constant is that a lot of people are having wifi issues and a lot of them get it fixed by getting rid off discoveryd, installing the OSX patches or even restoring a backup. That's why I wanted to know more about things like the hardware, maybe we'll see a constant there.

 

[Taz Mangus]

I agree, it's very strange. There doesn't seem to be much consistency and it seems to be difficult for some people to duplicate the fault.

The only constant seems to be Yosemite.

I think there are too many factors to simply solely blame the OS as the only cause of the issue. And yes, I read the posts where someone had WiFi issues when using Yosemite and then reverted back to Mavericks and WiFi was no longer having an issue. What we don't know is what software or driver was installed on those peoples systems that may contribute to the problem happening. I know this first hand. As an example, that is not directly related to the discussion at hand but is an example of what I am referring to, my kids have a Wacom tablet and I recently installed on my 2015 MacBook Pro the Wacom driver. I was getting this weird issue where when I lifted the lid on the computer to wake it, it would logout all the users and take you to the login window where you would have to login again. When I looked in the console application I saw that the window server was crashing. Now I could have simply blamed this on Yosemite but it had nothing to do with Yosemite, it was the Wacom driver causing the issue. I uninstalled the Wacom driver, the problem went away. My point, is sometimes there are other factors that contribute to a problem.

 

[mosher]

yesterday i visited Genius bar and they solved my wifi-issue in 2 simple steps.
1. cleared NVRAM
2. created new location in Network settings

Solved. No problems anymore