I'm going to say this with the utmost sincerity. Apple is a multi-trillion dollar valuation company that sells their products worldwide. They are no longer a mom & pop startup so your purchase or lack thereof is not gonna matter to them. Just like Samsung, Microsoft, Lenovo and HP, Apple is too big to fail so I recommend that you make the choice that works best for you and from my observation that would be a Wintel PC machine only. Doesn't sound like you need a Mac at all, especially since you basically said so. Apple doesn't have to cater to your needs to remain in business.
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Parallels tech preview for M1
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I agree, they don't *have* to, but it would make more money if they did. Anyway, this is a silly argument, there will be x86 emulation eventually, because there is a market for it, I'm just impatient.
Has anyone managed to get Teams desktop installed and working? It works 100% on Qemu but that is missing too many features currently (usb passthrough in particular)
Not if the cost of R&D, support or lost sales of what they could have developed instead with those resources end up not exceeding the profit from any additional sales based solely on having this capability.
Odd when ever I try to install it I get java exception errors, which version do you have installed? arm64, x86?
I don't think making money from a few who want Macs to run Windows is enough motivation for Apple to do it. Besides there's cost for the company involved to do that. Right now they are focusing on VM's and it's up to Microsoft to allow the full blown Windows. Pretty sure we'll only see Windows on ARM for the foreseeable future. From the way I see it Bootcamp is done and over.
Interesting that you say that. WoA is available in two editions. Pro and Enterprise.
I promise that if you don’t know better, you could come and look at it on my M1 mini and if I lied to you and told you it was x86 you would not be able to tell.
Has anyone tested the 8gb model with multiple vms running at the same time? I was able to get 1 windows vm running great when I had the time but then had to return the laptop for non related reasons. In my search for another i am still debating between the 8 and 16. If anyone can enlighten me as to how the 8gb model performs with multiple vms running or is willing to take the time to try it adn let me know how it goes, i would greatly appreciate it!
I have it running on my Air as well, and it doesn't run hardly anything I need except Office. It really has some underpinning problems, especially if you need Java. (And I'm an IT Manager btw, I know what I need and what doesn't run.)
For the most part, yes I could. Unfortunately MacOS, especially in Big Sur, doesn't run everything Java either, but most stuff, yes. (better than WOA!) I have one app that I really need that doesn't launch correctly, so it's a pita to run and takes a lot longer to use. (I always run it in a Windows VM on my Intel based Mac Mini.)
My current issue with the M1 and Java is that Eclipse doesn't run. I might have to pay for and learn IntelliJ IDEA.
i think he must mean in the mac desktop not inside parallels. I get the same errors.
Did you install the OpenJDK for ARM64? Of course if you did not install it, Java would not run. Has nothing to do with Windows since Java is not part of Windows and need to be installed in addition.
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On the Java front, I installed OpenJDK (which has an M1 native version already) on my Mac and haven't had any Java issues like you are reporting. Here's a link to the most recent build:
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UTM actually works, running x64 Windows 10. A Macbook Air really isn't suitable for running it though. You really need an active cooling system if you want to use it a lot. It'll do in a pinch though, so thanks for mentioning it! I'll probably end up installing an older OS for emergency use...
That's a really stupid question.
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Sorry, a first reaction, but, of course I know you have to install Java, I do on every PC I set up and it's part of my job!
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I have been testing Parallels quite a bit mainly for office and an archaic version of teamviewer and windows centric only programs (mostly remote monitoring and management) as well as way too much power-shell along side a Windows 10 VM in the cloud using Hetzer (2 cores , 8Gb RAM, 40Gb SSD) to see if I can work 100% with Parallels running Windows 10 and the short answer is no not yet.
This is nothing against Parallels they are doing a great job getting something like this up and running very quickly it's more of a gripe with Windows 10 on arm64 itself.
Probably I am wrong but I made the assumption that as Microsoft has had Windows 10 on arm running in some shape or form for quite some time that the experience app wise would be pretty much like it is on OSX and I soon realised this was not the case.
1. Powershell commands I use for scripting throw back errors about missing libraries
2. Pretty much every Windows store app including the Windows store app itself crash out (not used but annoying)
3. Teams refuses to work (works fine in qemu) so probably an issue with Parallels itself (not tried the java suggestion)
As a balance
x86 apps Office 365 , NotePad++ (I swear by this) , Edge , Teamviewer 9 (yuck) , and all my works remote monitoring and management apps all work amazingly well with very few if no crashes whatsoever and this is a good sign of things to come, I just expected "more" after the seamless experience on my M1 MacBook Pro.
This is nothing against Parallels they are doing a great job getting something like this up and running very quickly it's more of a gripe with Windows 10 on arm64 itself.
Probably I am wrong but I made the assumption that as Microsoft has had Windows 10 on arm running in some shape or form for quite some time that the experience app wise would be pretty much like it is on OSX and I soon realised this was not the case.
1. Powershell commands I use for scripting throw back errors about missing libraries
2. Pretty much every Windows store app including the Windows store app itself crash out (not used but annoying)
3. Teams refuses to work (works fine in qemu) so probably an issue with Parallels itself (not tried the java suggestion)
As a balance
x86 apps Office 365 , NotePad++ (I swear by this) , Edge , Teamviewer 9 (yuck) , and all my works remote monitoring and management apps all work amazingly well with very few if no crashes whatsoever and this is a good sign of things to come, I just expected "more" after the seamless experience on my M1 MacBook Pro.
What's the problem with Eclipse? Does it use native code modules or something like that?
Yes it uses native libraries for the UI. I think it does run somewhat under Rosetta 2 but slowly. I haven't spent any time with it since it doesn't seem productive. I'm looking into Jetbrains IntelliJ. I've heard good things about it in the past but since I've always been comfortable with Eclipse, I haven't ever really looked into it.
It does what I need and it's free. Reasonably fast editing and solid code completion. It can be clunky but since I know it pretty well, I have a lot of workarounds for any problem areas. They seem to be lagging on the Apple Silicon updates though so it is probably end-of-life for me.
Why not just get a router with a vpn server at home then? Problem solved. I switched from a MBP 16" with 2TB and 32 ram to a M1 MBP. What a great relief. I hate when the computer is hot, keyboard etc etc. I just VPN home and start RDP.They could have made sure someone was working on x86 emulation in a VM long before they ever thought of releasing the M1! It really is needed, not only for those of us that need Windows (not WOA), but for those of us that still have Mac 32-bit apps to run, not to mention those of us that need x86 testing VM's.
What really bothers me is that nobody is even talking about emulation. As it is, virtualization is useless to me, and I wont mind emulation being slower, I just need it there when I need it there.
I use RDP when I'm on my local network and that works great, but when I'm not at home, internet latency is a killer, not to mention there's no way in heck that I would expose RDP to the internet without it being behind a good firewall VPN.
fwiw, I'm an IT manager and run Mac at home because it's different and it handles hi-res displays so much better than native Windows, but even on Windows PC's I'm always using VM's for developement, testing, whatever. I'll stop whining about it when I actually see an emulation product out there that at least somewhat works.
One question, can you get Event Viewer to work? I haven't spent any time on it yet, but not having that makes it harder to figure out what's going on.