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Just sound good that it will run on Core 2 Duo's. I hope there will be no issues, I like Lion's new stuff :D
 
Not having used Lion, I probably don't have the rights to say it but, Lion Cannot possibly be slower than Snow Leopard. I mean apple would not ship it as such. However, since performance was not highlighted at WWDC, I'd say its not going to be screaming fast.
Apple shipped 10.0, and it was slow as a dog. Also, they never actually mentioned any performance increase in the following versions.
 
Apple shipped 10.0, and it was slow as a dog. Also, they never actually mentioned any performance increase in the following versions.

Indeed. And I am almost certain all the graphically performance issues aren't going to be resolved with the release.

Finger crossed though
 
Apple shipped 10.0, and it was slow as a dog. Also, they never actually mentioned any performance increase in the following versions.

Nice to know, I've only been following Apple since Tiger. Hope's alive...again.
 
Did some tests with COD4. Has about 15% less framerate and much more noticeable framedrops compared to SL.

I still think the GPU drivers for Lion (and latest MBP 2011) are not very good.
The total GUI experience is not very good (read: smooth working graphics effects).

Still keeping my fingers crossed for the initial release. You never know if it will be improved.
 
Not having used Lion, I probably don't have the rights to say it but, Lion Cannot possibly be slower than Snow Leopard. I mean apple would not ship it as such. However, since performance was not highlighted at WWDC, I'd say its not going to be screaming fast.

It actually is. Safari is the only thing thats hands down snappier. From all i can see thus far, Lion is still in Snow Leopard's shadow in terms of speed and being fully baked. Although the latter of those two is to be expected given that it is still a preview.

As i type this i'm planning to wipe my Lion partition and head back to SL...will wait till Lion has been polished some more post-release.
 
I believe that performance will be tuned by 10.7.3 or something. Before that, I don't expect responsiveness and fluidity to be as good as in 10.6.7.
 
We will be testing performance, battery life etc. on various Macs over at AnandTech.com so stay tuned for some real tests. The review is set to be published when the retail version is released (maybe I'm able to leak something beforehand though ;)).
 
We will be testing performance, battery life etc. on various Macs over at AnandTech.com so stay tuned for some real tests. The review is set to be published when the retail version is released (maybe I'm able to leak something beforehand though ;)).

Are you going to use Quartz Debugger too?
That is the only real graphics performance tool to see if it is faster/slower.
ATM it shows it is way slower compared to SL.
It is the only true evidence Lion is slower concerning graphics (animations et..) and not a personal conception of how it is performing.
OS X is all about smooth animations (show casing ;-), but with Lion and most Macbook Pros (Intel GPU) it is much slower then SL. A fact !
 
Alright , but it isn't slower, right?

Graphical wise it IS slower on Macbooks with the Intel onboard graphics GPU.
Animations (folders scrolling/opening, resizing windows, genie effect to dock, ...) are sometimes jerky.
 
Are you going to use Quartz Debugger too?
That is the only real graphics performance tool to see if it is faster/slower.
ATM it shows it is way slower compared to SL.
It is the only true evidence Lion is slower concerning graphics (animations et..) and not a personal conception of how it is performing.
OS X is all about smooth animations (show casing ;-), but with Lion and most Macbook Pros (Intel GPU) it is much slower then SL. A fact !

I have to ask Anand about the details, he will most likely be doing the performance part. However, our goal is to of course back things up with concrete facts, not just our opinion on how it feels ;)
 
Lion is definitely MUCH faster on the same hardware for me (2 27" 2010 iMacs and a MacBook). In particular running from the SSD on the iMac it just screams.

I've never had jerky animations (not even the launchpad folder opening animation that people complained about in earlier previews).

I can guarantee you that those reporting jerkiness will be due to display drivers on certain graphics cards. And I would bet you that will be fixed before release as optimising for different configurations is usually far down on the development chain.

Do fill your Mac with as much RAM as you can fit though. It's the cheapest possible way of upgrading the speed of your computer. SL and Lion eats it for breakfast.
 
The GPU isn't used for scrolling and resizing, so drivers can't explain why Lion is slower at these tasks. Scrolling has jus gotten less parsimonious (that is visible in Quartz Debug), and new apps are probably not completely optimized graphically-wise.
 
Lion is full of so many bugs still i can't see how they can have a reliable version out in July.

So true! I can't see them having it ready before the end of July.

Anyway, it is pretty fast on my mid-2008 iMac, in spite of the outdated graphics card. Maybe I had low expectations so it looks better than I thought! With 6GB of RAM I feel like I can wait one more year before getting a new iMac.
 
Graphical wise it IS slower on Macbooks with the Intel onboard graphics GPU.
Animations (folders scrolling/opening, resizing windows, genie effect to dock, ...) are sometimes jerky.

Oeh... Im hoping my machines will cope fine with the upgrade.
 
The Macbook with the intergraded GMA950 performance is poor. All animations and scrolling is very jerky. Same machine Windows 7 is very smooth.
 
How does the memory footprint of Lion compare with SL? I wonder if some of the reports of it being slower or faster are tied with the amount of RAM installed.
 
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