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I just browsed the App store a bit, in Lion 11A494A, and performance is appalling. Scrolling is bad, and resizing is awful. It's as bad as the iTunes store.
It wasn't that bad before, so hopefully, this will be improved.
Ok I see that the App Store isn't much more pleasant to use in 10.6.7.
I don't get it. Safari is completely smooth on much more complex pages. Why can't they improve their Stores (iTunes + Apps)? :confused:
 
IOS baby, the Mac OS as we once new it is finished.

It's just a cluttered mess these days. Launchpad and Mission control are the beginning of the end. The dock still is hopeless for windows management (Windows 7 TaskBar Apple should look at) Menu bar at the top of the screen not with in the application. I could go on a and on, all these things make OS X actually slower than Windows 7. Get much more work done on Windows 7 and faster.
 
I can't say I agree.
While I prefer the windows task bar, I generally prefer OS X. Especially for settings. Win 7 is still cluttered with text and inconsistencies all over the place. You get lost of "yes" "no" dialogues that follow 3 lines of text. Those drive me crazy.
The dock is not designed for windows management. Apple relies on mission control, which IMO, is easier than exposé as windows a grouped in apps.
The menu bar as its advantages.
Generally, OS X is certainly not slower than Win 7 on the same Mac. And Lion is a clear improvement over 10.6 in many areas. Resume and Version are incredibly cool, and will really change the way we interact with computers.
 
Versions and resume are cool like Fonzie ?

Mission Control and Expose both are inferior to the way you can handle 10 plus windows in Windows 7. Lion the way it handles minimised windows is a joke.

There are good and minuses in both, over all Windows is better for serious work. Windows isn't in your face like OS X it moves out the way and you can concentrate using your apps.
 
Mission Control and Expose both are inferior to the way you can handle 10 plus windows in Windows 7. Lion the way it handles minimised windows is a joke.
What I don't like about Windows' solution is that you can't preview all of your open windows at the same time as you can on OS X. It's either just taskbar previews for individual programs or a selection of mostly overlapping windows for some reason displayed in 3D that you have to scroll through. Exposé's bird's eye view seems much more useful to me. Of course, Lion goes a bit in the direction of Windows' solution with the sorting of windows by their applications, but at least we still have Application Exposé, which uses the whole screen area. If I'm honest, I really liked Panther's Exposé better than Leopard's. We'll see about Lion's.


There are good and minuses in both, over all Windows is better for serious work. Windows isn't in your face like OS X it moves out the way and you can concentrate using your apps.

Except for the very first part, you couldn't be more wrong. Just my opinion. :)
 
I can't say I agree.
While I prefer the windows task bar, I generally prefer OS X. Especially for settings. Win 7 is still cluttered with text and inconsistencies all over the place. You get lost of "yes" "no" dialogues that follow 3 lines of text. Those drive me crazy.
The dock is not designed for windows management. Apple relies on mission control, which IMO, is easier than exposé as windows a grouped in apps.
The menu bar as its advantages.
Generally, OS X is certainly not slower than Win 7 on the same Mac. And Lion is a clear improvement over 10.6 in many areas. Resume and Version are incredibly cool, and will really change the way we interact with computers.

Seconded.
 
Windows isn't in your face like OS X it moves out the way and you can concentrate using your apps.
I feel the oposite. On Windows, I frequently get a notification that "Windows" is doing this or that. I never saw a indiciation that OS X or my Mac was doing anyting. I am the one doing things on my computer.
Plus, the UAC really comes in your face. I don't see how Windows in general moves out of the way in places where OS X wouldn't.
 
IOS baby, the Mac OS as we once new it is finished.

It's just a cluttered mess these days. Launchpad and Mission control are the beginning of the end. The dock still is hopeless for windows management (Windows 7 TaskBar Apple should look at) Menu bar at the top of the screen not with in the application. I could go on a and on, all these things make OS X actually slower than Windows 7. Get much more work done on Windows 7 and faster.

Without beginning the Windows/OS X debat again but heu .. why are you still using OS X when you are sure Windows 7 is better?

BTW no answer needed .. its just a question you should ask yourself.
 
Without beginning the Windows/OS X debat again but heu .. why are you still using OS X when you are sure Windows 7 is better?

BTW no answer needed .. its just a question you should ask yourself.

I do use Windows as my main OS.

I just like to keep an eye on what Apple are doing.

Right now Lion seems clunky compared to Snow Leopard. Running Lion on 2gb is poor.
 
Resizing is hardly the issue, actually. The problem is video scaling on the CPU, and that uses a lot of power. It's usually done on the GPU. See how the Finder in coverflow, when playing a movie, uses a significant amount of resources. That's in addition to decoding, which is a separate process. That's not good for battery life.
 
Right now Lion seems clunky compared to Snow Leopard. Running Lion on 2gb is poor.

Goog gracious. I really am ready to believe it as Mac OS X has become the epitome of a RAM hog. :(

Not trying to start/continue anything, but how much RAM does Win7 require to run well? Just curious, because I honestly don't know.
 
Not trying to start/continue anything, but how much RAM does Win7 require to run well? Just curious, because I honestly don't know.

I use my xp at work with 2 GB...runs at around 780 mbs (boots around this) havn't noticed how much I use at work.
My Desktop Windows 7 has 3GB runs about 720mb to creeps up to 1.8gb to 2.2gb with normal use.
My MPB with 4GB Boots at 1.16GB normal use has around 700MB FREE.

The only problem I have with SL is it simply refuses to Release Memory, I go on using it, from 1+ GB to 300 MB free, then quit all the application and it only gives me 700 MB FREE. I just let it sit there for a while but it never gives me those memory. May Be i don't understand the Memory management across OSs but it wasn't the case in Leopard.

Edit: As stated by other users, I am not biased towards OS X or Windows. I like 'em both and use them frequently.
 
Goog gracious. I really am ready to believe it as Mac OS X has become the epitome of a RAM hog. :(

I fear the worst for Lion.

You may be onto something given the thread I've just put up. I've no idea why Safari and Safari Web Reader are so bloody greedy for RAM. On boot up they sit happily at under 20mb each. Three tabs and an hour of browsing later and they're 350mb monsters a piece, and the entire system begins to show signs of slowing down.
 
Resizing is hardly the issue, actually. The problem is video scaling on the CPU, and that uses a lot of power. It's usually done on the GPU. See how the Finder in coverflow, when playing a movie, uses a significant amount of resources. That's in addition to decoding, which is a separate process. That's not good for battery life.
Seems like an oversight. Do you often use overflow to preview movies?

Honest question, as I don't use CF at all.
 
Apple shipped 10.0, and it was slow as a dog. Also, they never actually mentioned any performance increase in the following versions.

Completely false. I see you registered here in 09 so you weren't around when 10.2 Jaguar was launched where one of the key features included the mentioned speed improvements. A lot being that this was the first version to include Quartz Extreme which required a minimum of 32mb of vram which not everyone had lol.
 
Can anyone link me to a YouTube video which shows the speed performance different between OS X Lion and OS X Snow Leopard?

Thanks! :)
 
Really good video much better than what I have seen till now.
Like the buttons. I would have kept the sharp corners on windows. Rounded looks kind of childish. All in all GUI looks a bit better.
Still unless battery life is at least equal and there are no complaints about graphics I will stay away. Definitely not going to get it on release day. Wait a few weeks and see if they work out the important stuff(performance), new GUI is nice but really not worth any downsides.
 
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