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LIVEFRMNYC

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What is efficiently? To get scores from the test or actually being able to use the ram? I know that watching icons on the screen doesnt need much from the phone... But you can do more too...

If you use many screens and have widgets, you need ram. I dont need to launch apps always to check something. I use 5 pages and all have some useful widgets:
1. Homescreen: my daily stuff, widgets (e.g. my daily schedule), notes, weather
2. Entertainment: music player, news, runtastic
3. Email and Calender (fir monthly view)
4. Social, messages...
5. Apps (folders and icons), that i use most of the time...

I have about 20 widgets running right now and made lot of customizing... Why? Well.. Why should i launch the app always or watch the same (dull) screen on every day? Doesnt your battery drain faster? Sure, the effect is about whopping 3-5% in a day.

Apps like editing/sketching need ram. I had same apps on ipad and android, some apps were limited because there wasnt ram enough to for example add more than few layers while i was able to add 2-3 times more layers on android.

Having more ram doesnt hurt, but arficially keeping the ram on minimum level means only trouble. But didnt we see that already with air and iphone6? Uhm, no, because ios wasnt yet optimized and we just needed to wait... And wait... And wait... Since 2007... And still waiting?

why more ram? So that we dont need to wait the rest of our lifes... While you were watching icons on the homescreen and running just one app at once, i was already on year 2012 running many apps at once on my android tablet and having a flowing window... I call that using the ram efficiently.

Best reply on this thread and I completely agree. iOS and Android are two differ monsters.

On Android, there are just too many variables that are not disclosed before the speed test.

The multitasking test is laughable ....... Notice how he only touches inside games and is careful to quickly close out any apps that show web material or photos from device. This is cause the screen will most likely quickly flash to reload the content if he touches it. He is just basically flaunting snapshots.
 

Andres Cantu

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Ok...so that video why didn't they test the S-Pen? Oh thats right....the iphone doesn't have one. So real world features and functionality.....they both win. They are both great phones and I have BOTH of them.
They both have their good points and bot have their bad points. It comes down to preference.
They didn't test the S-pen for the same reason why they didn't test 3D Touch: they're focusing on speed, not features.

Otherwise I could say something like: "Why didn't they test the phones' true-tone flashes? Oh, that's right...the Galaxy Note 5 does not have one."
 

jamezr

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I guess the s-pen somehow increases the performance magically. Enjoy your note 5, it's a great phone.
It does...it offers more functionality to get things done faster. What about the back button on the Note 5....that wins in speed and functionality over IOS devices. That was not part of the test in the video.
 

Andres Cantu

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It does...it offers more functionality to get things done faster. What about the back button on the Note 5....that wins in speed and functionality over IOS devices. That was not part of the test in the video.
No it wasn't, but that's not the point the video nor I'm trying to make. It's that the Note 5 does not handle multitasking as well even with twice the RAM.

As for the S-pen, I could say the same thing about 3D Touch, but I'm not talking about features in this thread.
 
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jamezr

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Best reply on this thread and I completely agree. iOS and Android are two differ monsters.

On Android, there are just too many variables that are not disclosed before the speed test.

The multitasking test is laughable ....... Notice how he only touches inside games and is careful to quickly close out any apps that show web material or photos from device. This is cause the screen will most likely quickly flash to reload the content if he touches it. He is just basically flaunting snapshots.
Exactly.......Then there is the back button on the Note 5 that offers more speed when navigating app and by default better multitasking.
 

I7guy

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No it wasn't, but that's not the point the video nor I'm trying to make. It's that the Note 5 does not handle multitasking as well even with twice the RAM.

As for the S-pen, I could say the same thing about 3D Touch, but I'm not talking about features in this thread.
I guess the point was widely missed. Can't say I'm surprised.
 

HiDEF

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Why not record both devices at the same time? Once you record both devices in separate takes, there's room for manipulation.
 
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Fernandez21

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Why not record both devices at the same time? Once you record both devices in separate takes, there's room for manipulation.
Because if you record both at the same time, it's hard to tap the actions at the same time, and to also keep tabs on both. So let's say one finishes loading something, your attention then goes there as you tap the next action, and if the other finishes its task you may miss it and then tap it's action a half a second later and then everyone would be yelling rigged because you took a half second longer on that one phone.

I don't see anything wrong with they test they did, phone buff has always been very good about keeping things neutral, you can look back at other comparison videos they've done in the past as well as their drop tests. I really like their stuff.
 

HiDEF

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I'm not claiming it's "faslesified" as i7guy puts it. I'm saying when you record two different takes, there's room for manipulating the footage.

I've seen reviewers in the past test two devices at the same time and in the same footage. If you do things proper, you plan your recording; you can create a list of which apps to test and what order to go in. Make sure you have a steady hand and begin to test.

Yes, it takes planning but that's what good reviewers do.
 
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LIVEFRMNYC

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I'm not claiming it's "faslesified" as i7guy puts it. I'm saying when you record two different takes, there's room for manipulating the footage.

I've seen reviewers in the past test two devices at the same time and in the same footage. If you do things proper, you plan your recording; you can create a list of which apps to test and what order to go in. Make sure you have a steady hand and begin to test.

Yes, it takes planning but that's what good reviewers do.

The Amazon home page was differ cause of that. Would have been better to show the exact same time. A differ in time equals a difference in size of differ image files, and whatever else is coded on that page.
 

Oohara

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Yummmm... Continue with the passive aggressive posting please, can't get enough!

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I just love how these performance comparison threads always end up like this :D
 

Septembersrain

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For me, these devices with touchwiz, they won't perform optimally stock. I've always rooted, custom recovery, and installed a ROM. My Note 3 is still a beast and I imagine the Note 5 would be too with certain framework mods, kernel tweaks, etc. Only reason I don't own a Note 5 is because I prefer my Android devices with an SD card. It's easier to load ROMs and data without a computer.

The way that Android runs vs how iOS runs, they are a totally different ecosystem. I've found that for a good out of box experience, Apple has it nailed. However for those of us willing to dev or mod, Android has a lot of great potential to be amazingly functional.

I'm lucky, I like all different devices. This has me enjoying a non-biased but fun outlook.
 
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LIVEFRMNYC

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For me, these devices with touchwiz, they won't perform optimally stock. I've always rooted, custom recovery, and installed a ROM. My Note 3 is still a beast and I imagine the Note 5 would be too with certain framework mods, kernel tweaks, etc. Only reason I don't own a Note 5 is because I prefer my Android devices with an SD card. It's easier to load ROMs and data without a computer.

The way that Android runs vs how iOS runs, they are a totally different ecosystem. I've found that for a good out of box experience, Apple has it nailed. However for those of us willing to dev or mod, Android has a lot of great potential to be amazingly functional.

I'm lucky, I like all different devices. This has me enjoying a non-biased but fun outlook.

I agree for TW devices earlier than the Note 4, but nowadays, disabling carrier and/or some of Samsung bloat is good enough. I still haven't rooted my S6 edge yet and it's lighting fast.
 

tallazzPilipino

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so I finally watched the video. last time I watched one of those was the N5 vs 6+ with the iPhone winning, and then before that, the S6 beating the iPhone 6. not sure if it was PhoneBuff's.

first thing I noticed right away when I got the N5 was how much more aggressive the N5 was at closing apps out compared to my S6e. but at the same time it was probably what they had to do to get the more impressive SOTs. the battery run times were significantly more efficient than with the S6e.

so, what PhoneBuff show, is true. and like he said: the N5 doesn't hold apps in the background as long, so it has to completely reload them. it would be like comparing two different browsers where one always clears cache to save space, then testing them against each other. it's going to be obvious to assume which will have the advantage.

though I can't imagine switching between apps vigorously without even a second to work in them is going to be useful to anyone. where I find my 6s+ to drag (and much sooner than my N5) is when I'm multitasking between several apps for a more useful period of time, and it either halts for some few seconds or the app completely disappears. which could be the fault of (and as PhoneBuff describes) the 6s+ keeping apps up longer in the background. this especially holds true for some of my image editing apps and image hosting sites I work heavily in.
 

Septembersrain

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you still can load ROMs and data to it, easily. just download them to the phone.

Yeah but when you do the full wipe, you'll have to leave certain data. That always ends up messing up my clean installs with bootloops or crashing. =(

I'm so old fashioned with my wipes prior to install. I don't even restore backups on my iPhones... Old habits die hard I guess.
 

tallazzPilipino

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I agree for TW devices earlier than the Note 4, but nowadays, disabling carrier and/or some of Samsung bloat is good enough. I still haven't rooted my S6 edge yet and it's lighting fast.
I've got the Sprint S6e, and honestly, it wasn't impressively fast till I loaded a custom rom. I bought my gf an S6 duos (she's an Apple user, first). I thought it would have been a smoother experience than a carrier model. nop! it lagged quite a bit. things didn't improve drastically till I did some optimising. since I didn't want to root, which would trip KNOX (and she wouldn't be able to use Samsung Pay when available), I decided to go with disabling packages and hibernating apps least used with a couple third-party apps. only then was it zippy smooth. oh, and battery run times are much better. the S6/e are notorious for poor battery run times.
 

tallazzPilipino

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Yeah but when you do the full wipe, you'll have to leave certain data. That always ends up messing up my clean installs with bootloops or crashing. =(

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on my S6e, I can still do clean installs without wiping internal storage.

when you're switching to new ROMs that require clean installs, a Factory Reset in custom recoveries doesn't wipe 'internal sd' especially in TWRP, which is most likely what you'd be using on the later Sammies. it only wipes data, cache and dalvik cache. you'd have to specifically select to wipe 'internal sd'. so, you can be sure your ROM zip is safe there.
 
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grkm3

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I'm going on almost 3 days without charging my note 5! It is by far the longest running phone I have ever had and if Samsung engineering thinks its smart to kill apps to save battery I'm all for it.

No one in real life cycles apps like this. And a fair compare would be marshmallow 6.0 vs ios 9 and the gs7 with the next gen soc as the note 5 is using the same chip as the gs6.
 
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