Photos Memories AI Results

[lagwagon]

Are the Memories videos it creates supposed to automatically be added to the Memories tab? The keynote and every video I've seen of the new Photos stuff suggests that it does. But on ALL my iOS 10 devices and macOS Sierra iMac it doesn't and I have to manually add them to Memories for anything to show up there (otherwise it always just says "No Memories")

 

[Feenician]

Are the Memories videos it creates supposed to automatically be added to the Memories tab? The keynote and every video I've seen of the new Photos stuff suggests that it does. But on ALL my iOS 10 devices and macOS Sierra iMac it doesn't and I have to manually add them to Memories for anything to show up there (otherwise it always just says "No Memories")

Memories are meant to be things like "In Nature", "Best of last 3 months" or "Paris trip February 2014". The machine vision stuff is more like automated tagging of people and things

 

[lagwagon]

Memories are meant to be things like "In Nature", "Best of last 3 months" or "Paris trip February 2014". The machine vision stuff is more like automated tagging of people and things

But the keynote and any video showcasing the new Photos includes all of its created videos based on all the events like the 3 examples you mention in the Memories tab. Mine doesn't even add those created events. Memories tab is blank with "No Memories" displayed.

It just doesn't seem like it's working as advertised or even at all on all my devices.

 

[Feenician]

But the keynote and any video showcasing the new Photos includes all of its created videos based on all the events like the 3 examples you mention in the Memories tab. Mine doesn't even add those created events. Memories tab is blank with "No Memories" displayed.

It just doesn't seem like it's working as advertised or even at all on all my devices.

Yep, I saw you post something to that effect in another thread and I'm afraid I have no idea what's wrong. My Mac, iPad and iPhone all have Memories and indeed they all match (which I thought was not supposed to happen yet) and change daily. I don't believe I did anything special.

 

[lagwagon]

Yep, I saw you post something to that effect in another thread and I'm afraid I have no idea what's wrong. My Mac, iPad and iPhone all have Memories and indeed they all match (which I thought was not supposed to happen yet) and change daily. I don't believe I did anything special.

Tinkering around I've found that going to the Photos tab I can see the videos and suck there(all only clumped together based on date though and not events such as "Mountains" if I have a lot of mountain images or something) I can view/edit and manually add them to Memories through there.

I guess I just assumed that the "clever" videos and events were all automatically added in memories to discover and see. At least that's how everything came across to me as doing in the keynote and "what's new" videos about it.

 

[Feenician]

I guess I just assumed that the "clever" videos and events were all automatically added in memories to discover and see. At least that's how everything came across to me as doing in the keynote and "what's new" videos about it

They are being created for me and at least some others. I haven't created or tagged any of that stuff manually - it's all computer vision and classification.

 

[stooovie]

It's good but Google's AI is miles ahead. Apple's for example does pretty poor job with face recognition. It creates many different faces for a single person, whereas Google Photos properly detects and consolidates all instances of the face, even in most extremely poor photos and bad lighting conditions.

 

[gsmornot]

Tinkering around I've found that going to the Photos tab I can see the videos and suck there(all only clumped together based on date though and not events such as "Mountains" if I have a lot of mountain images or something) I can view/edit and manually add them to Memories through there.

I guess I just assumed that the "clever" videos and events were all automatically added in memories to discover and see. At least that's how everything came across to me as doing in the keynote and "what's new" videos about it.

I think I follow what you're asking. When I look in Memories on any of my devices I see a list of squares with a photo and title of a memory. The first one for me is "Best of Last 3 Months" and when I click on it I have at the top a video that was made for me and below that a list of the photos and videos used to make that video.

I use iCloud Photo Library. Not sure if that makes a difference or not.

Also, I want to comment on the search capabilities that have been added here. I have just under 10k photos in my library that I can access with my devices and having the ability to search with machine learned keywords is fantastic. I used to spend hours adding keywords to photos that I eventually just gave up on. Now that it does it for me and creates memories as well I have a new fondness for the photos app. I have used it all along but its been more or less a storage container that I would get back to one day. That day is here.

 

[jclardy]

It's theoretically more private.

That being said, it's still a matter of the "airplane question". If I get on an airplane and disable all radios, does the recognition still work?

Does it affect battery life? What about photos in the cloud?

It only does the recognition while the phone is charged and on the charger, so it won't really start until you plug in your phone overnight. As for cloud photos, i'm not sure, but it seems that it might work on the previews that are stored on your phone (and not wast time, bandwidth, and storage downloading everything from iCloud.)

Other than the fact that Apple said it is all local, i'm pretty positive it is local because it took a few days for it to actually go through my whole library. Google's cloud based search was set up as soon as everything was uploaded, so just a few hours later.

My only issue with it is that some sort of synchronization would be nice - having all my devices creating metadata seems like a waste, if they could sync via wifi on the local network that would be awesome.

 

[bhferguson]

I am loving the Memories update to the Photos app, although I haven't tried it yet on my Mac, just my iOS devices. This really is a killer feature for me. I never seem to have the time or motivation to finish (and hey, even start) slideshows or movies to highlight moments I've recorded. Apple is getting it just right, and I love the option of changing length and music and the few editing possibilities that are included.

It is indeed interesting to see the differences that come up between my iPhone and iPad, most days, I am presented with different memories on each device. I do use iCloud for my photo library (which has about 35K photos in it) so both devices have access to the same database of images. I do have a couple of questions:

1) Is there a time that Memories appear? When I woke this morning, I had three new ones on my phone, but nothing new on my iPad - does anyone have any idea when they are created or presented in the app? Is it standard or just random? And yes, both were plugged in and charged overnight.

2) Do Memories ever disappear? Do I need to download and save them or will they be infinitely available in the Cloud?

3) Does anyone think this automation will ever come to iMovie? I'd love the opportunity to create my own memories without having to go through the process of creating a new project, editing clips, laying in photos, etc.

B

 

[shk718]

It only does the recognition while the phone is charged and on the charger, so it won't really start until you plug in your phone overnight. As for cloud photos, i'm not sure, but it seems that it might work on the previews that are stored on your phone (and not wast time, bandwidth, and storage downloading everything from iCloud.)

Other than the fact that Apple said it is all local, i'm pretty positive it is local because it took a few days for it to actually go through my whole library. Google's cloud based search was set up as soon as everything was uploaded, so just a few hours later.

My only issue with it is that some sort of synchronization would be nice - having all my devices creating metadata seems like a waste, if they could sync via wifi on the local network that would be awesome.

Craig Federighi discussed the synchronization issue during his Gruber interview. Basically its a timing issue. Everyone will load the software onto their iPhone - which will immediately start scanning all the pictures, then their macs. You'll get lots of hits to iCloud at once and, which one will be the boss when you get different results? He seemed to indicate that this will be coming in the future.
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It's good but Google's AI is miles ahead. Apple's for example does pretty poor job with face recognition. It creates many different faces for a single person, whereas Google Photos properly detects and consolidates all instances of the face, even in most extremely poor photos and bad lighting conditions.

That's not entirely true. I downloaded Google photos and saw many mistakes.

It's good but Google's AI is miles ahead. Apple's for example does pretty poor job with face recognition. It creates many different faces for a single person, whereas Google Photos properly detects and consolidates all instances of the face, even in most extremely poor photos and bad lighting conditions.

I'll give google credit where its due - their facial recognition is very good - even found baby picture and correctly linked them to the adult version of the person. but, when i tried a search for baby pictures of me - it failed miserably - had no idea what i was asking for. from the presentation it looks like apple would be able to easily handle that query. Lets also not forget when google was identifying black people as gorillas.

 

[Superhai]

Are the Memories videos it creates supposed to automatically be added to the Memories tab?

Yes, but on my mac the service crashes occasionally. Maybe the same problem for you.

 

[lagwagon]

Yes, but on my mac the service crashes occasionally. Maybe the same problem for you.

Same issue on multiple devices though? My iMac on Sierra, iPhone 6 and iPad Pro 12.9" on iOS 10. Each device does it's own scan, it's not something that syncs across everything. Seems highly unlikely all three devices to all error the same when other people have been posting about it working for them.

All 3 show "No Memories" in the Memories tab. Nothing has been added automatically. I can see videos and such if I go into the Photos tab and back out to "Collections". Zero "best of" created events either. Everything is just grouped into a month of a particular year. (Example "March 5-18 2013")

I'll have to see how future beta builds pan out into guess. An option to scan everything all over again would be nice.

 

[Feenician]

Same issue on multiple devices though? My iMac on Sierra, iPhone 6 and iPad Pro 12.9" on iOS 10. Each device does it's own scan, it's not something that syncs across everything. Seems highly unlikely all three devices to all error the same when other people have been posting about it working for them.

All 3 show "No Memories" in the Memories tab. Nothing has been added automatically. I can see videos and such if I go into the Photos tab and back out to "Collections". Zero "best of" created events either. Everything is just grouped into a month of a particular year. (Example "March 5-18 2013")

I'll have to see how future beta builds pan out into guess. An option to scan everything all over again would be nice.

Sounds like you may have a photo or photos that are corrupt, unusual or have some weird metadata that the engine is dying on and the whole process quits. I don't have a huge amount of photos, around 750 now, because I deleted everything in February 2014 (long story) and the vast majority of what I do have were taken on my own iPhone so probably pretty vanilla conditions. Hopefully a later beta will set things straight for you.

 

[lagwagon]

Sounds like you may have a photo or photos that are corrupt, unusual or have some weird metadata that the engine is dying on and the whole process quits. I don't have a huge amount of photos, around 750 now, because I deleted everything in February 2014 (long story) and the vast majority of what I do have were taken on my own iPhone so probably pretty vanilla conditions. Hopefully a later beta will set things straight for you.

I don't know the full ins and outs of iCloud Photo Library. Would turning it off on say my phone, let the Photos app see I have zero photos, quit it and then re-enable iCloud Photo Library. I wonder if it would rescan?

I just don't know what kind of damage I would do to my photos turning it off and back on.

 

[Feenician]

I don't know the full ins and outs of iCloud Photo Library. Would turning it off on say my phone, let the Photos app see I have zero photos, quit it and then re-enable iCloud Photo Library. I wonder if it would rescan?

I just don't know what kind of damage I would do to my photos turning it off and back on.

I thought of suggesting that and normally as long as your photos are somewhere you can get them back up to iCloud and sync everything again. But, while we're doing betas all bets are off there and I'm not sure it's safe to do that. If you're doing the OS X beta and have a CCC or Time Machine backup you could always get back but it'd be long and painful.

 

[Sartoria]

Memories and the AI recognition of photos works absolutely wonderful for me!

I have a question about the new 'places' folder in the photos app though. Is it supposed to only be showing photos from your Camera Roll on the map? I have dozens of albums synced through the OSX Photos app, all with geotags, but these do not show up on the map at all.

Overal I'm very satisfied with the upgrades to the photos app though.

 

[lagwagon]

I thought of suggesting that and normally as long as your photos are somewhere you can get them back up to iCloud and sync everything again. But, while we're doing betas all bets are off there and I'm not sure it's safe to do that. If you're doing the OS X beta and have a CCC or Time Machine backup you could always get back but it'd be long and painful.

My photos are backed up on 4 separate hard drives plus iCloud. So on my iPad I took the "risk". Turned off iCloud Photo Library. Deleted any photo it had downloaded to the device. Fully closed Photos. Re-enabled iCloud Photo Library and then launched Photos.

It did nothing, no rescan and nothing was changed from what it was previously. Seems like whatever data it creates from the very first and only scan stays on the device without being able to basically reset it.

I'm guess to do a full new re-scan I would have to re-install iOS 10 it seems. I think I will just wait out the next few builds to see if anything happens before doing that.

 

[Superhai]

Same issue on multiple devices though?

Maybe not so likely. However you should find fails/crashreports by photoanalysisd in the Console, which may also help you determine some cause of that is the case. My library contains around 60000 photos and most are RAW or TIFF, which seem to be not friends with the memories! Or maybe just no memento...

 

[i505]

I have a question about the new 'places' folder in the photos app though. Is it supposed to only be showing photos from your Camera Roll on the map? I have dozens of albums synced through the OSX Photos app, all with geotags, but these do not show up on the map at all.

I have the same thing happening with my photos on iOS 10. This is something I hope Apple addresses in a future beta.

 

[OC513]

So it seems the Faces part in Photos has made more than one album for each of my children. Is there any way to combine multiple face albums of the same person? I cant seem to drag and drop. Any ideas?

 

[Cablekevin]

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[i505]

So it seems the Faces part in Photos has made more than one album for each of my children. Is there any way to combine multiple face albums of the same person? I cant seem to drag and drop. Any ideas?

Select the faces you want to combine and then tap Merge.

 

[jonblatho]

One of mine was "Best of last 3 months" and the "cover" (thumbnail?) was…well…

Other than that, it's been pretty good for me. I don't take many photos, but it's done a good job grouping the ones I have taken.

 

[gsmornot]

I did hear this feature is performed locally on the device. Any idea if the faces to names info will be shared to other devices? I spent an hour maybe a bit more looking at groups of faces and merging them. I have a pretty good start on my phone but now I still have my iPad and two Mac's not to mention the future devices. If I have to do this faces routine on all of my devices (for the sake of security or something) this is going to be a feature I won't use a ton of. I will do the exercise at least once to tell it who each photo is of but I don't want to repeat it over and over for all of my devices.