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3nm

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Jul 30, 2006
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Yeah, one and the same. It's seriously the nicest car of its size I've ever driven. I dunno what the Pontiac versions will be like, but this one is amazing. Highly recommended.

the pontiac version:

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not a big fan of the altezza taillights, but the g8 sounds pretty awesome w/ the v8+manual tranny. inner voice is telling me to get a prius though. :D
 

mad jew

Moderator emeritus
Apr 3, 2004
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Adelaide, Australia
not a big fan of the altezza taillights, but the g8 sounds pretty awesome w/ the v8+manual tranny. inner voice is telling me to get a prius though. :D


Yeah, I've seen the pictures and I've even seen a few on the backs of trucks (the factory is based near where I live). They don't look as good as the Holdens in my opinion, but hopefully Pontiac hasn't changed the ride and handling at all. If you get a Prius I'll never think the same of you again.
 

3nm

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Jul 30, 2006
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What in gods name would you get a prius for?

lol... the fun factor is perhaps the most important aspect for me to consider when it comes to buying a car. at the same time; however, i can't ignore the importance of energy efficiency.

i just kinda feel bad for driving a v8 w/ my lead foot. :eek:
 

livingfortoday

macrumors 68030
Nov 17, 2004
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The Msp
lol... the fun factor is perhaps the most important aspect for me to consider when it comes to buying a car. at the same time; however, i can't ignore the importance of energy efficiency.

Then you really shouldn't buy a new car - just the damage of getting the raw materials, producing and shipping a car will create more pollution and CO2 than it will ever produce in a lifetime of being driven around.

But either way - don't get a Prius for gods sake. Those are just for smug bastards who want to pretend that cars can be "green". Hell, I have more respect for Hummer drivers because they're at least acknowledging that they're pricks.
 

charliebigspuds

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Dec 9, 2007
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See this thread and just couldnt help myself, so here is my baby.

BMW 330 CDi MSport Coupe with TV & Sat Nav.
 

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3nm

macrumors 6502a
Jul 30, 2006
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Then you really shouldn't buy a new car - just the damage of getting the raw materials, producing and shipping a car will create more pollution and CO2 than it will ever produce in a lifetime of being driven around.

yes and no... there are many variables. also an older car tends to be less energy efficient by design or due to wear and tear. but there are a couple of used fast sleepers on my mind if the g8 doesn't work out. :D

But either way - don't get a Prius for gods sake. Those are just for smug bastards who want to pretend that cars can be "green". Hell, I have more respect for Hummer drivers because they're at least acknowledging that they're pricks.

interesting, i've read that making a pruis may cause more harm to the environment than driving an H_something. while i'd never drive a hummer as a civilian, the prius certainly takes the fun outta driving. but when it comes to earth vs. me, it's just kinda hard to decide. :eek:
 

dpaanlka

macrumors 601
Nov 16, 2004
4,869
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Illinois
My pride and joy as it looks today... a 2001 Saab 9-5 Aero with some under the hood stuff done.

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i've read that making a pruis may cause more harm to the environment than driving an H_something

It has to do with all the nickel and lead used in Prius batteries. The environmental impact of that is potentially more harmful than that of an H2's exhaust.
 

Daveman Deluxe

macrumors 68000
Jun 17, 2003
1,555
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Corvallis, Oregon
interesting, i've read that making a pruis may cause more harm to the environment than driving an H_something.

A notion that has been thoroughly debunked.

http://www.thecarconnection.com/Aut...MMER_Exploding_the_Myth.S196.A12220.html?pg=1
http://www.betterworldclub.com/articles/hummer-not-more-efficient.htm
http://www.pacinst.org/topics/integrity_of_science/case_studies/hummer_vs_prius.pdf

Some highlights:
1) The most common source of the urban myth that a Hummer is more energy efficient over its lifetime assumes that a Hummer will last for 300,000 miles, whereas a Prius will only last for 100,000 miles. This assumption is based on precisely nothing.
2) The nickel mine where Toyota gets its nickel for batteries indeed had significant SO2 issues... thirty years ago. The mine (in Sudbury, Ontario) has reduced its SO2 emissions by 90% from its 1970 levels, and is targeting a 97% total reduction in 2015. Also, the amount of nickel that Toyota used for its batteries in 2004 was about 0.5% of the mine's total output that year.
3) The energy costs of development of the Hummer in the analysis were spread out over a large number of products, whereas the energy costs of development of the Prius were ascribed solely to the Prius. It's akin to saying that coffee has a higher marginal environmental cost than orange juice because the cup you use for coffee required more energy to produce... but only assuming that a coffee cup can only be used for coffee, and assuming that an orange juice glass can be used for anything.
4) The most commonly-cited study indicating that the Hummer is more efficient assumes that 85% of the total lifetime energy cost is used in recycling, and 15% in vehicle use. In reality, the numbers are reversed.
 

Daveman Deluxe

macrumors 68000
Jun 17, 2003
1,555
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Corvallis, Oregon
Even if you doubt anthropogenic climate change, you can't argue that pouring millions of tons of smoke into the atmosphere is good for human health. Where do you think smog and acid rain come from?

I'd post a picture of my car, but I'm in the process of selling it. This process involves waiting until the beginning of the summer because nobody in his right mind would buy a convertible in January in the Pacific Northwest. :D
 

Bogie

macrumors regular
Apr 4, 2007
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Actual Car:
1995 Buick Park Avenue
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Desired Car:
Aston Martin DBS
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I can dream can't I?
 

huck500

macrumors 6502
May 10, 2004
386
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Southern California
But either way - don't get a Prius for gods sake. Those are just for smug bastards who want to pretend that cars can be "green". Hell, I have more respect for Hummer drivers because they're at least acknowledging that they're pricks.

My Prius allows me to drive alone in the carpool lanes in California and doesn't use much gas. I guess I do feel pretty smug when I'm passing stop-and-go traffic at 65 mph, though. Sorry.:rolleyes:
 

3nm

macrumors 6502a
Jul 30, 2006
991
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My pride and joy as it looks today... a 2001 Saab 9-5 Aero with some under the hood stuff done.

nice ride. turbos are fun and i used to have an A4 1.8T. so what's done under the hood? iirc on the 9-5 aero, ECU+ larger turbo = 280+hp, and a stage III would give ~300hp?

Some highlights:
1) The most common source of the urban myth that a Hummer is more energy efficient over its lifetime assumes that a Hummer will last for 300,000 miles, whereas a Prius will only last for 100,000 miles. This assumption is based on precisely nothing.

thx for the links. i think i might have read some of them. iirc, the life expectancies of the vehicles were based on some wacked way of interpreting the powertrain warranties by a research student.

Lets talk about things that debunk global warming.

like i've said before, take a chem or physics course. :)
 

dpaanlka

macrumors 601
Nov 16, 2004
4,869
34
Illinois
nice ride. turbos are fun and i used to have an A4 1.8T. so what's done under the hood? iirc on the 9-5 aero, ECU+ larger turbo = 280+hp, and a stage III would give ~300hp?

Yup, Stage III plus a stronger, quicker responding diverter valve that wont fail from the increased pressure. Should be in the vicinity of 300 horsepower and 325 pounds of torque at the crank.

And yet still so elegant!
 
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