fanbrain said:
I have to agree that the prospect of having a nice large V8 is much better than a whiney little straight 4. But you have to respect the engineering that goes into one of those mitsubishi engines to squeeze out 400+ horsepower.
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I have to agree that the prospect of having a nice large V8 is much better than a whiney little straight 4. But you have to respect the engineering that goes into one of those mitsubishi engines to squeeze out 400+ horsepower.
mfacey said:
well.. its got boost. of course you're gonna get numbers as high as 400hp. but what about whp? I had a VW mk3 4cyl 8v gti. I didnt want a heavy motor so I opted for the 4 banger with plans for force induction.
specs of the sleeper:
c2 chip
42lb USRT injectors
sri awic
equal length tubular turbo mani w/ tial 38mm wg
114 octane
garrett t3 60 trim
one piece compressor inlet pipe, going from 4" reducing to 2.25" @ housing, maf located in 3.5" section
15degree wedge ic piping
obd1 block and head, swapped in the obd2 harness and ecu
spec stage 5 clutch set
189whp @ 5 psi
now since I have my vr6 swapped mk2 gti I'm just gonna keep it NA for a couple more show seasons.. then slap in a vf-e supercharger.. easier to maintain and tune than a turbo and everything's all 'bolt on'. nothing beats the low growl of the vr6 especially when coupled with a s/c.
This used to be my car a few years back, a Mini Cooper with literally all the options. I loved that car. It was stupid to have bought it though, it cost way way way too much for my age but I'd just gotten some inheritance money and didn't know what things were worth in the real world. Sold it just over two years ago. Carless now!!
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fanbrain said:
LOL, you can have your American "muslce" and I'll take the "ricer" who is about 5-10 years technology wise ahead of Corvette. Handling has to do a lot with the actual steering system design, something Mitsubishi has perfected over years in Paris/Dakar and world rallies. And all the Chevy research goes into Daytona 500 racing where all you do is drive in a circle on a pavement road. Big YAWN for that
Also, 4G63 (a 2.o liter inline 4 engine that can handle 900hp) is probably one of the best engine designs ever, the only other engine that can handle that much power compared to its displacent is found in Nissan Skylines. And that inline-4 will beat your V-8 anytime, anyplace
Plus it's more gas efficient EDIT: Also, if you zant to compare Z06 compare it to FQ400 (about same price range) and it's not even close (of course in FQ400 favor). Another thing, sports car is a sports car, whether 2 door, 4 door, or a hatchback, it's all about performance, better 0-60 times, better 1/4 times, better cornering/handling, not just drag racing, one car may have more HP than the other but if that power can't be distributed to it's wheels than whats the point?
Besides, what other car can you compare a Corvette to? Maybe a Viper and thats about it, Corvette is not in the same league as the European exotics.
Finally, I was waiting for someone to comment on the ignorant comment "The Corvette has a V8 and the EVO doesn't.". Heck, I could show you tons of v6's and some 4 cylinders that output more power than a v8, with better mpg.blitzkrieg79 said:LOL, you can have your American "muslce" and I'll take the "ricer" who is about 5-10 years technology wise ahead of Corvette. Handling has to do a lot with the actual steering system design, something Mitsubishi has perfected over years in Paris/Dakar and world rallies. And all the Chevy research goes into Daytona 500 racing where all you do is drive in a circle on a pavement road. Big YAWN for that
Also, 4G63 (a 2.o liter inline 4 engine that can handle 900hp) is probably one of the best engine designs ever, the only other engine that can handle that much power compared to its displacent is found in Nissan Skylines. And that inline-4 will beat your V-8 anytime, anyplace
EDIT: Also, if you zant to compare Z06 compare it to FQ400 (about same price range) and it's not even close (of course in FQ400 favor). Another thing, sports car is a sports car, whether 2 door, 4 door, or a hatchback, it's all about performance, better 0-60 times, better 1/4 times, better cornering/handling, not just drag racing, one car may have more HP than the other but if that power can't be distributed to it's wheels than whats the point?
Besides, what other car can you compare a Corvette to? Maybe a Viper and thats about it, Corvette is not in the same league as the European exotics.
andypress said:
Exactly, plus it is a whole lot tougher to design/engineer a small 2.0l displacement engine that can produce a stock 286HP than a 6.0l engine that can barely produce 400HP. Look at the ratio of engine displacement to horsepower, it's not even close.
blitzkrieg79 said:LOL, you can have your American "muslce" and I'll take the "ricer" who is about 5-10 years technology wise ahead of Corvette. Handling has to do a lot with the actual steering system design, something Mitsubishi has perfected over years in Paris/Dakar and world rallies. And all the Chevy research goes into Daytona 500 racing where all you do is drive in a circle on a pavement road. Big YAWN for that
Also, 4G63 (a 2.o liter inline 4 engine that can handle 900hp) is probably one of the best engine designs ever, the only other engine that can handle that much power compared to its displacent is found in Nissan Skylines. And that inline-4 will beat your V-8 anytime, anyplace
EDIT: Also, if you zant to compare Z06 compare it to FQ400 (about same price range) and it's not even close (of course in FQ400 favor). Another thing, sports car is a sports car, whether 2 door, 4 door, or a hatchback, it's all about performance, better 0-60 times, better 1/4 times, better cornering/handling, not just drag racing, one car may have more HP than the other but if that power can't be distributed to it's wheels than whats the point?
Besides, what other car can you compare a Corvette to? Maybe a Viper and thats about it, Corvette is not in the same league as the European exotics.
umm.. first off I'd like to point out that I love all types of cars, be it american, jdm, euro, etc.. but I lean more towards german. anyway.. I'm not sure if you knew this but corvette has won the 24hr le mans plenty-o-times.. and the tracks arent oval. corvette beat out 'exotics' to get to the top. I believe in a couple races corvette took both 1st and 2nd place.
sure you get better gas milage with a 4 banger but guess what your internals are gonna look like after tracking that 4cyl. I've tracked my gti more than once before boosting it and it wasnt purty.
which gen skyline are you talking about? R32, 33, 34? either way.. you're trying to compare a NA motor to a FI motor?! and its not a 4 banger.. its a 6cyl with twin snails spooling (R32-R34) actually all skylines that were intruduced from the R31-R34 came with a straight 6 and some sort of turbo.
cplusON3R said:
Ummmmmmm, and the Evo won plenty of rally races so what is your point? Service intervals are more frequent with a 4 banger but then again 4 bangers are more gas efficient so you lose some and you win some. I am not bashing the Corvette by any means, I just don't think it's as well engineered car as EVO is.
And I was talking about Skyline GT-R R32 and its RB26DETT engine, I know it's 6 banger but I was just comparing engines who have the highest HP to displacement ratios and 4G63 (Mitsubishi design which debuted in 1988!!!) and RB26DETT (Nissan design) are probably the best of what the auto world has to offer price-perfromance wise.
Of course there is always Bugatti Veyron but we are talking here about a car that costs over million bucks.
blitzkrieg79 said:
indeed.. the evo is a rallye car and the vette isnt. I wasnt disagreeing with you, just basically saying that you're comparing apples to oranges.
HP means nothing.. Id rather see what you can get off the crank.
meaculpa20v said:
Me and my Wolfie at Thunderhill Race way.
Eric
lol.. hot! any mods on that dub? have you gotten that jetta 3 wheelin'?
cplusON3R said:lol.. hot! any mods on that dub? have you gotten that jetta 3 wheelin'?
Thanks, yeah still running the stock turbo. ECU and some basic bolt ons. Suspension is bilstien pss9's with ground control camber plates and stiffer rear springs.
And yeah, I have gotten it 3 wheeling, that was my first time on the track too. Now I have a need to return, haha.
Eric
meaculpa20v said:
lol..indeed, bro, I totally know what you mean! good to see a dubber actually tracking their car. dont get me wrong, show cars are hot but why add bigger cams, x-drilled rotors, l/w flywheel, etc, etc if its just gonna be a trailer queen.. what side of the US do you live? do you goto any shows? (h2o, waterfest, dubwars)? are you on the vortex? my dub is like 2 pages back. my friend who also has a mk4 wolfie just got it revo'd. all I gotta say is 'whoa!'
blitzkrieg79 said:
Hmmm..close but you're forgetting 3JZ-GTE, 3SGTE, SR20DET and SR20VET, the 13B and Renesis to name a few...
ObsidianIce said:
Yeah, the Toyota engines are good too, Nissan makes a lot of capable engines, and probably the most underrated engines are being produced by Mitsubishi. I am also not a big fan of the high reving Honda engines although most car magazines think of them as the best
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Renesis (rotary engine) engine most notably found in Mazda cars is probably the most revolutionary of them all but it's still a fairly new technology in automotive world and it really can't handle as much power as some of the mentioned engines.
cplusON3R said:lol..indeed, bro, I totally know what you mean! good to see a dubber actually tracking their car. dont get me wrong, show cars are hot but why add bigger cams, x-drilled rotors, l/w flywheel, etc, etc if its just gonna be a trailer queen.. what side of the US do you live? do you goto any shows? (h2o, waterfest, dubwars)? are you on the vortex? my dub is like 2 pages back. my friend who also has a mk4 wolfie just got it revo'd. all I gotta say is 'whoa!'
Yeah I know what you are talking about with the all show and no go thing. I myself would love to have my car look nice, but I would rather spend the money on the "go" part.
Hell yeah I'm on VWvortex, my sn is meaculpa20v. are you up there too?
yeah I have the 1.3 bar GIAC chip, it's nice. I live on the west coast. one of the first ten member of Norcal VW haha. but the truth is I haven't been to a meet since the first three a few years back. No time.
Are you on vortex??
You drive a MKII!? MAN!! I really really want a Rabbit, auto-X and road racing all the way!! Devilot does not approve though.
I disapprove because you don't have the $ or space to spend on buying a Rabbit, paying for the mods, paying for registration, paying for insurance, and physical space to put it!meaculpa20v said:
And you know full well that I support all of your track events, just not street racing after somebody :cough: got busted and got their car impounded for over a month.
Too lazy to find pics of my car, so here's one just like it that I found on Google Image Search:
Not exactly my car, but the model (and color) are the same... Except for the hideous sunroof...
meaculpa20v said:
yeah, man! I'm on the 'tex.. my s/n is cplus1 over there. I was part of dirty jersey dubs when it first started but like you- I hardly go to gtgs, and meets anymore.. all we do is stand around, talk shop with the same people.. dont get me wrong. its not like I hate talking shop but not at every friggin gtg in the tri-state.
yep.. the mk2 is all me now. its still under construction.. I needs me a supercharger!
then it will be complete.. how are the mk4 forums nowadays.. when I was looking to buy one of those rare 1.8t 4 door golfs those forums were filled with posts like: "what wheels should I get" or the best one so far: "how do I install a blow-off valve on my vr6".
ahh.. those were the days! you should most definatly get a rabbit! track that bad boy alllll day long! theres a bunch auto-xing over here in jersey. everytime I head over to the meadowlands or raceway park theres at least 10 waiting for their turn. hardly any mk4s though.. and if I do see a mk4 they're usually waiting in line for their 1/4 mile run.- Status