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Pixel 3/Pixel 3 XL

akash.nu said:
If we don’t make changes and try new options then we will never explore new frontiers. That’s just the natural progression of technology.

We’d have never reached the moon or even think about going to mars if we were content with “what works”. This is just natural human instinct.

Also, the tech industry wants to survive and move forward. If people start being happy with what we already have then the industry will just die due to lack of direction and innovation.
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Lol, no bud, just no.

Look, I am all for trying new things but not by just forcing them on people.

When cars went from Cassette to CD players there was a transition period.

When we went from 2G to 3G, there was a transition period.

I could go on.

The difference in the above is that the newer one was infinitely better and more efficient than what it was replacing.

Bluetooth replacing wireless is not efficient, at least not right now. The Bluetooth devices require charging and more Admin to take care of than their wired counterparts.

It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Why takeaway the 3.5mm headphones jack, then put a 3.5mm adapter in the box when you can have BOTH in the phone without losing anything and allowing choice.

It makes no sense.

I have both options on my Note8 and on a daily basis I choose wired. The Bluetooth headphones do havea cool factor about them, and the lessening of wires is nice, but then I have to bring an extra charger for the bloody headphones and so on, adding more wires toy pocket anyway.

To this day I have not heard a single good reason for the consumer with regards to the 3.5mm jack removal, inhave heard plenty of great reason for the Phone Makers though, but none for us consumers.

Putting a battery to make the telephone mobile, THAT was moving forward, putting a GPS chip, Camera, and high quality display on a Phone, THAT was moving forward.

Removing a feature like the 3.5mm jack and then saying a technology that could easily coexist with it is the replacement, that is moving Backwards.

My old Sony Ericsson K850i and Nokia N80 had BT Audio, no 3.5.mm jack and a 3.5mm jack adapter in the box.... Just saying.

You're drunk, go back to Prodigits dude
 
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Michael Goff said:
Yeah. A lot of people are down on the single camera experience, but I'd like to just see the best single camera they can get. Because details can be a little soft on my Pixel 2 sometimes. I don't know if a second camera would fix that.
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I don't think a second camera will fix that either. The second camera would have helped with portrait mode, which is another area of the camera that needs improvement. Or the second camera could have helped with more zoom.

While we're on this topic, why are Pixel 2 images soft? Anyone know or understand? Is it the lens or pixel count or something hardware related, or is it in the software?
 
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Tsepz said:
Lol, no bud, just no.

Look, I am all for trying new things but not by just forcing them on people.

When cars went from Cassette to CD players there was a transition period.

When we went from 2G to 3G, there was a transition period.

I could go on.

The difference in the above is that the newer one was infinitely better and more efficient than what it was replacing.

Bluetooth replacing wireless is not efficient, at least not right now. The Bluetooth devices require charging and more Admin to take care of than their wired counterparts.

It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Why takeaway the 3.5mm headphones jack, then put a 3.5mm adapter in the box when you can have BOTH in the phone without losing anything and allowing choice.

It makes no sense.

I have both options on my Note8 and on a daily basis I choose wired. The Bluetooth headphones do havea cool factor about them, and the lessening of wires is nice, but then I have to bring an extra charger for the bloody headphones and so on, adding more wires toy pocket anyway.

To this day I have not heard a single good reason for the consumer with regards to the 3.5mm jack removal, inhave heard plenty of great reason for the Phone Makers though, but none for us consumers.

Putting a battery to make the telephone mobile, THAT was moving forward, putting a GPS chip, Camera, and high quality display on a Phone, THAT was moving forward.

Removing a feature like the 3.5mm jack and then saying a technology that could easily coexist with it is the replacement, that is moving Backwards.

My old Sony Ericsson K850i had BT Audio, no 3.5.mm jack and a 3.5mm jack adapter in the box.... Just saying.
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This - extra device to charge - thing is actually mitigated by the AirPods a lot. Especially given the convenience they bring and their battery life. You’ll hardly find yourself out of juice.

Yes, not everyone will buy AirPods, I understand that but given the average battery life of the Bluetooth headphones, circa 5 hours, it suffices for average use case. People generally only listen to music or podcast on their phones while they’re commuting, at the gym or doing something else along with it and at a stretch listening time over 5 hours is actually not that common.

All of the technologies you mentioned above did annoy some people. It will always be the case. Some people will always be unhappy with whatever a company does. But ultimately it comes down to what a company believes to be the future and the area to explore to get their business forward. If anything, making such drastic changes is a huge risk for a business but time and time again we’ve seen Apple does it and then the whole industry follows.
 
epicrayban said:
I don't think a second camera will fix that either. The second camera would have helped with portrait mode, which is another area of the camera that needs improvement. Or the second camera could have helped with more zoom.

While we're on this topic, why is the Pixel 2 images soft? Anyone know or understand? Is it the lens or pixel count or something hardware related, or is it in the software?
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The hardware should be good enough, sensor is the Sony IMX378 sensor and the ISP was the newest at the time. 12.2mp should also be good enough, it's what even the iPhone X uses.
 
Michael Goff said:
The hardware should be good enough, sensor is the Sony IMX378 sensor and the ISP was the newest at the time. 12.2mp should also be good enough, it's what even the iPhone X uses.
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Hm, so it's software...

I wonder why Google insists on making their images so soft...
 
akash.nu said:
This - extra device to charge - thing is actually mitigated by the AirPods a lot. Especially given the convenience they bring and their battery life. You’ll hardly find yourself out of juice.

Yes, not everyone will buy AirPods, I understand that but given the average battery life of the Bluetooth headphones, circa 5 hours, it suffices for average use case. People generally only listen to music or podcast on their phones while they’re commuting, at the gym or doing something else along with it and at a stretch listening time over 5 hours is actually not that common.

All of the technologies you mentioned above did annoy some people. It will always be the case. Some people will always be unhappy with whatever a company does. But ultimately it comes down to what a company believes to be the future and the area to explore to get their business forward. If anything, making such drastic changes is a huge risk for a business but time and time again we’ve seen Apple does it and then the whole industry follows.
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The difference with the technologies I mentioned is that the old ones were not just stripped away. We still have 2G as an option in our phones if you want to use it for example.

Like I said, removing the 3.5mm headphones jack removes choice and forces the customer, it's not in anyway a move forward as even phones with a 3.5mm jack do BT Audio.
 
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JPNFRK7 said:
Anyone know what phone this is at 19 seconds. Saw this ad while watching the World Cup.
https://ispot.tv/a/dIO7
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almost looks like a OnePlus 6. But hard to tell. It has Pixel style navigation buttons and a notch. The OP6 has different nav icons but the rest of the phone looks like a OP6. Unless it's this Motorola Power One (but seems too big). But it could also be just a dummy mockup of a phone just for advertising purposes. the top has a bezel and a notch kind of, so I'm not sure it's a real phone...
 
co.ag.2005 said:
almost looks like a OnePlus 6. But hard to tell. It has Pixel style navigation buttons and a notch. The OP6 has different nav icons but the rest of the phone looks like a OP6. Unless it's this Motorola Power One (but seems too big). But it could also be just a dummy mockup of a phone just for advertising purposes. the top has a bezel and a notch kind of, so I'm not sure it's a real phone...
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I didnt know what it was. Since google showcased the Pixel 2 and 2XL in the commercial I didn't know if it was a poke at what is to come.
 
I wish Google would make a near replica sized Pixel 3 to that of iPhone X. I hate iOS compared to stock Android, but admit the size, shape and feel of the iPhone X is darn near the perfect sized smartphone package ever. Give me an iPhone X running Android P and I'd say that's the best smartphone created.

But if the Pixel 3 XL is true, and going to be a 6.1" device or so, being a very tall long phone, and yes mostly full screen little to no bezel, but that's almost too long and big for what I like. Actually isn't the upcoming iPhone X Plus going to be 6.4", and a tad smaller overall compared to the current iPhone 8 Plus, which is already around the same size as the Pixel 2 XL, meaning the iPhone X Plus will have a much larger screen area, with an overall smaller phone size compared to the Pixel 3 XL ?

I would like to see Google make these two sizes;

- Pixel 3 = 5.5" screen, in the same shape and compact design of the iPhone X, but even smaller, because of the slightly smaller 5.5" display I'd like to see.

- Pixel 3 XL = 6.5" screen, no larger overall than a iPhone 8 Plus.
 
Tig Bitties said:
Actually isn't the upcoming iPhone X Plus going to be 6.4", and a tad smaller overall compared to the current iPhone 8 Plus, which is already around the same size as the Pixel 2 XL, meaning the iPhone X Plus will have a much larger screen area, with an overall smaller phone size compared to the Pixel 3 XL ?
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This will be an interesting form factor & screen size comparison.

It's what a notch & Apples 'tucking under of the OLED screen' gives you - bigger screen in a smaller package.
 
Pixel 3:
https://www.phonearena.com/news/Google-Pixel-3-XL-design-leak_id106121

Google Pixel 3 and Pixel 3 XL leak out entirely in new 360-degree renders

Google-Pixel-3-and-Pixel-3-XL-leak-out-entirely-in-new-360-degree-renders.jpg
 
The more I see these leaks the more I think I will pass on the Pixel 3 this year. No wireless charging and that awful notch....They added a notch and STILL have bezels..... At least with the iphone x they almost eliminated bezels.
 
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jamezr said:
The more I see these leaks the more I think I will pass on the Pixel 3 this year. No wireless charging and that awful notch....They added a notch and STILL have bezels..... At least with the iphone x they almost eliminated bezels.
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Wait, so they’re going to a glass back and NOT adding wireless charging? That’s a really dumb decision if true. The smaller Pixel 3 is appealing, but I’ve become so accustomed to wireless charging on my X that I’m reluctant to use a phone again that doesn’t have it.
 
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Google sure knows how to design an ugly phone.

The 3 XL's notch is, by far, the ugliest I've seen in a recent flagship. You would think one couldn't make a notch look any uglier than it already is, but Google somehow pulled it off.

And while the regular 3's front design isn't as offensive, those bezels still manage to look large and outdated even with dual front firing speakers. I continue to argue that front firing speakers are a mistake -- HTC, Apple, and Samsung have all proven you can do better sounding dual speakers without putting them in large bezels on the front.

As for the back side, it's basically the same, if not slightly uglier, than the Pixel 2. In other words: still ugly and awkward, and still supremely boring.

With the lack of dual cameras on the back and the ugly front design, Google seems to insist on being behind in hardware and design.

What a pity.
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jamezr said:
The more I see these leaks the more I think I will pass on the Pixel 3 this year. No wireless charging and that awful notch....They added a notch and STILL have bezels..... At least with the iphone x they almost eliminated bezels.
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The Pixel 3 XL could be one of the ugliest phones I've ever seen.

You have a deep (deepest?) notch at the top. Then you have decent near bezel-less top frames, but then you go to the bottom and there's not just a chin, but a thick chin!

It's all out of balance and worse, all unnecessary. You don't need a notch to create more screen space. And you certainly don't need large bezels as the only way, nor the best way, to do dual speakers.

Those who argue the notch creates more space must explain the bottom chin. And those who say the bottom chin is for the dual speakers must explain how Apple, HTC, and Samsung have done dual speakers that are louder and better quality without compromising the front design.


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LukinLedbetter said:
Wait, so they’re going to a glass back and NOT adding wireless charging? That’s a really dumb decision if true. The smaller Pixel 3 is appealing, but I’ve become so accustomed to wireless charging on my X that I’m reluctant to use a phone again that doesn’t have it.
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I was under the impression that wireless charging is coming to the Pixel 3. If not, it would be absolutely idiotic at this point for Google to not have it. It would be yet another questionable hardware decision, of many, from Google.



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nviz22 said:
Yuck. The back remains the same and the front has too much bezel on the Pixel 3.
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It's kind of sad. I thought Google was getting serious here. :rolleyes:
 
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epicrayban said:
Google sure knows how to design an ugly phone.

The 3 XL's notch is, by far, the ugliest I've seen in a recent flagship. You would think one couldn't make a notch look any uglier than it already is, but Google somehow pulled it off.

And while the regular 3's front design isn't as offensive, those bezels still manage to look large and outdated even with dual front firing speakers. I continue to argue that front firing speakers are a mistake -- HTC, Apple, and Samsung have all proven you can do better sounding dual speakers without putting them in large bezels on the front.

As for the back side, it's basically the same, if not slightly uglier, than the Pixel 2. In other words: still ugly and awkward, and still supremely boring.

With the lack of dual cameras on the back and the ugly front design, Google seems to insist on being behind in hardware and design.

What a pity.
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The Pixel 3 XL could be one of the ugliest phones I've ever seen.

You have a deep (deepest?) notch at the top. Then you have decent near bezel-less top frames, but then you go to the bottom and there's not just a chin, but a thick chin!

It's all out of balance and worse, all unnecessary. You don't need a notch to create more screen space. And you certainly don't need large bezels as the only way, nor the best way, to do dual speakers.

Those who argue the notch creates more space must explain the bottom chin. And those who say the bottom chin is for the dual speakers must explain how Apple, HTC, and Samsung have done dual speakers that are louder and better quality without compromising the front design.


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I was under the impression that wireless charging is coming to the Pixel 3. If not, it would be absolutely idiotic at this point for Google to not have it. It would be yet another questionable hardware decision, of many, from Google.



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It's kind of sad. I thought Google was getting serious here. :rolleyes:
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Agree with pretty much all of this. The smaller Pixel 3 design is fine but pretty ordinary in today's smartphone landscape. The 3 XL however is just plain awful. You've highlighted all the problems with the design quite well so I won't regurgitate them.

Suffice to say I see zero need to upgrade my Pixel 2 for anything here.
 
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Because the hardware offering from Google has been and looks to continue to be needlessly behind, it's beginning to smell like Google simply doesn't want to compete for fear of stepping on the toes of its OEM partners (like Samsung). That sucks for consumers.

The Pixel line just isn't cutting it. Its main features, in my opinion, have also been overhyped. Getting software updates feels like I'm a beta-tester more than a privileged user. And while the camera is good, there are shortcomings, like picture sharpness and how portrait mode often misreads foreground/background.

And worse, it's not like Google is making it easy to own these devices. They are overpriced and lack user-friendly features like a headphone jack.

What is Google even doing.
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tbayrgs said:
Agree with pretty much all of this. The smaller Pixel 3 design is fine but pretty ordinary in today's smartphone landscape. The 3 XL however is just plain awful. You've highlighted all the problems with the design quite well so I won't regurgitate them.

Suffice to say I see zero need to upgrade my Pixel 2 for anything here.
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Someone needs to tell Google hardware matters.
 
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Guess I'm alone in thinking the designs are ... acceptable. They're not great, but my bigger concern is how good the OLED will be and how they're going to improve the camera.

Not getting one this year, but I'm still curious.
 
Three years in, and it looks like they have figured out their style for the back. Now all they need to worry about is improving the front panel. Each one seems to slightly improve from the last. Maybe by the time I upgrade my Pixel 2XL, it'll go from acceptable to great.
 
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