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ageha

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Jan 30, 2008
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How are you so certain this was a 2nd gen Air? Are you certain that it was the new video port? I can assume these will be nearly impossible to tell apart from the first gen.

Lastly, why would the stores have them already?

Maybe they got already a display model but they need to sell the old stuff first? I'm sure there are still thousands of people over the world buying the old model for the full price.
 

ducatidoc

macrumors regular
Apr 20, 2008
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How are you so certain this was a 2nd gen Air? Are you certain that it was the new video port? I can assume these will be nearly impossible to tell apart from the first gen.

Lastly, why would the stores have them already?

dunno, but tis possible. the cinema display says "coming soon" on the web site but my apple store in ann arbor has one out on display
 

ercanbas

macrumors regular
Original poster
Feb 15, 2008
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Maybe they got already a display model but they need to sell the old stuff first? I'm sure there are still thousands of people over the world buying the old model for the full price.


Thats what I was thinking. And I am positive it was the new one since they told me it was and I checked for the new port.
 

ducatidoc

macrumors regular
Apr 20, 2008
136
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well, we really really really need yah to go back and ask those fellas to crack the case on that puppy to confirm the type of SATA connection it uses. would clear up A LOT of questions regarding switching the SATA HDD later with a non-oem SSD.

:)
 

ercanbas

macrumors regular
Original poster
Feb 15, 2008
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well, we really really really need yah to go back and ask those fellas to crack the case on that puppy to confirm the type of SATA connection it uses. would clear up A LOT of questions regarding switching the SATA HDD later with a non-oem SSD.

:)

I have my screwdriver and video camera in hand. I'm sure they will gladly let me unscrew the thing right in the store. Apple is just that good to their customers. Anything else? Perhaps I'll bring some extra memory and try to solder an additional 2gigs.
 

mhnajjar

macrumors 6502a
Mar 3, 2008
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It still has the old trackpad. Apple doesn't have the engineering capabilities to remove the button.

What is wrong with having the button? I find it more practical and the space is enough unlike the old gen MBP or MB.

I just wish the MBA is perfect this time so I jump all over a new one.
 

dehory

macrumors regular
Sep 17, 2008
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I have my screwdriver and video camera in hand. I'm sure they will gladly let me unscrew the thing right in the store. Apple is just that good to their customers. Anything else? Perhaps I'll bring some extra memory and try to solder an additional 2gigs.

:D
 

FFTWarren

macrumors member
Oct 13, 2008
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Baton Rouge, LA, USA
only apple knows. I asked a guy on the phone at apple and he said that it may ship before the 5th but he said no way before november. but who knows? I think since they are such tuesday gooru's that itll prolly roll out on the 4th so everyone will be like YAY its coming a day early and then apple looks like a hero. the 5th is wednesday after next. just my thoughts but I am just a peon so dont look to me for answers. thats just my 2 cents
 

tigres

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Aug 31, 2007
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Land of the Free-Waiting for Term Limits
I just want to know how this sucker performs. I replaced my order of a "replacement" MBP full blown edition 2.50 ghz 4 gig, with this machine instead.

I just am having a hard time believing some posters that this will suck compared to the MB and MBP at the same specs.

This new air has the exact same specs (even better on the front bus) than the MB/ With the exception of 1.86 ghz vs 2.0 or 2.4.

What the heck is the big deal/difference, and why do so many talk like this 2nd version is still a "toy" so to speak. Am I just dreaming here that it should compare (not beat) but at least COMPARE to the new MB (2gig) of course.
 

six.four

macrumors 6502
Oct 24, 2008
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The real fallacy of the MBA (and all other ultraportables) is the 1.8" hard drives. Running at 4200rpms, the slow speed of a standard 1.8" platter hard drive seems to often be the bottleneck of these laptops. SSD surely is faster at reading, but write speeds are still slower than that of the standard platter drives - not to mention that, at the current time, you will be paying a huge premium for it.

To the OP. Correct me if I am wrong, although I will not deny that the new MBA GPU is vastly superior to the 1st gen MBA, I am not sure if apple has yet released an OSX that utilizes the GPU to take the load of CPU when processing video - meaning what you are seeing is not a result of the new GPU.

To test this theory, I just downloaded the 1080p trailer for transporter 3 and it ran without any stutters with my MBA plugged in. My thoughts is that alot of the "wow that's so much faster" sentiment is more psychological than it being actually faster (atleast for this video example).
 

tigres

macrumors 601
Aug 31, 2007
4,214
1,326
Land of the Free-Waiting for Term Limits
The real fallacy of the MBA (and all other ultraportables) is the 1.8" hard drives. Running at 4200rpms, the slow speed of a standard 1.8" platter hard drive seems to often be the bottleneck of these laptops. SSD surely is faster at reading, but write speeds are still slower than that of the standard platter drives - not to mention that, at the current time, you will be paying a huge premium for it.

To the OP. Correct me if I am wrong, although I will not deny that the new MBA GPU is vastly superior to the 1st gen MBA, I am not sure if apple has yet released an OSX that utilizes the GPU to take the load of CPU when processing video - meaning what you are seeing is not a result of the new GPU.

To test this theory, I just downloaded the 1080p trailer for transporter 3 and it ran without any stutters with my MBA plugged in. My thoughts is that alot of the "wow that's so much faster" sentiment is more psychological than it being actually faster (atleast for this video example).

Yeah,

I ordered the 1.86 with 128 SSD
 

Cynicalone

macrumors 68040
Jul 9, 2008
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Okie land
They have the new MBA's on display at the Apple store here as well. But they say they won't have unit's in stock till early November.

The display unit's here are the 1.86 ghz with the SSD. I checked the About This Mac info because just from looks it looks the same as the 1st Gen.

I suppose I could tote my 1st Gen. MBA up to the store and compare, but I couldn't see any obvious difference in the external design other than the MiniDisplay Port. All changes appear to be under the hood.

As a side note they also had the new ACD hooked up to a new MBP. They will also be in stock in early November. I don't see how you would hook it up to the MBA since the MagSage connector is rather short, and doesn't look like it would reach with the MiniDisplay port and USB pluged in. Remember the Magsafe is on the opposite side from the other port's. I suppose it will work you just won't be able to charge at the same time, without using your power adapter. Not a big deal but should be noted for those interested.
 

dudup

macrumors regular
May 28, 2008
173
0
Lisbon, Portugal
Dude, it seems that now we finally have a product!

Ah, the joys of being an early adopter.

Wanna bet those new MacBook Pros will only feature SLI, real-time video switching and 8 GB RAM max on the next hardware refresh?
 

AndyGarton

macrumors member
Sep 15, 2007
79
39
The Apple online store in the UK just added a week to the delivery estimate here (now the 12th instead of the 4th for me).
 

wheelhot

macrumors 68020
Nov 23, 2007
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It still has the old trackpad. Apple doesn't have the engineering capabilities to remove the button.
You will see it removed by MacWorld 09. Maybe at the same time they will introduce MBA take 2, perhaps with a build in optical drive? Considering MBA competitors has one and people seem to complain a lot that the lack of optical drive make them opt for the MB which is cheaper.
 

HeadForTheHills

macrumors member
Oct 19, 2008
33
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Edinburgh
Maybe at the same time they will introduce MBA take 2, perhaps with a build in optical drive? Considering MBA competitors has one and people seem to complain a lot that the lack of optical drive

IMHO the optical drive would be a waste of space : more ports and perhaps a card slot or even a slot in battery would be better use of any redesign effort. But I can't see them wanting to deviate from the current minimalist design.

A 13" glassbook with a better screen would be a better all round solution.
 

aleni

macrumors 68030
Jun 2, 2006
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909
hell with the optical drive! i pray for the removal of MB and MBP's optical drives.

better go with external drive. you don't use the optical drive all the time these days. it just makes the notebook weights more.

i wish they make all their notebooks without optical drives and include the external superdrives, or maybe external bluray in macworld 09.
 
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