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Texas04

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dferrara said:
After reviewing that sound clip... I'm sure that all the other PowerBook users here can tell you, it's the exact same sound. I could hear more noise from the user. :rolleyes:

Well thats good news since im number 8 in line for mine :)
 

macbook123

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Feb 11, 2006
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I asked this on another forum: is giving the Macbook back for a refund really an option for people who are annoyed by the whining? Isn't there this standard re-stocking fee for all Apple products returned with an open packaging box?
 

mark!

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macbook123 said:
I asked this on another forum: is giving the Macbook back for a refund really an option for people who are annoyed by the whining? Isn't there this standard re-stocking fee for all Apple products returned with an open packaging box?

You have to pay 15% restocking fee to return your MacBook, but since it comes with a warranty Apple will replace your MacBook & you will hopefully get one that doesn't buzz. It doesn't cost money to send it in, but you do have to play for shipping.
 

thegreatluke

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Dec 29, 2005
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markkk! said:
You have to pay 15% restocking fee to return your MacBook, but since it comes with a warranty Apple will replace your MacBook & you will hopefully get one that doesn't buzz. It doesn't cost money to send it in, but you do have to play for shipping.
So if your MBP has a defect in which Apple should replace the laptop for free, you have to pay 300+ USD to get the laptop replaced?

That sucks!
 

mark!

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thegreatluke said:
So if your MBP has a defect in which Apple should replace the laptop for free, you have to pay 300+ USD to get the laptop replaced?

That sucks!

No, if you want a refund you have to pay 15% ; meaning if you want to send Apple their laptop back & never see it again & get your money back...you have to pay them 15%. If you want them to fix your laptop, or replace it because it is DOA or defective, then you have to pay for shipping.
 

macbook123

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markkk! said:
You have to pay 15% restocking fee to return your MacBook, but since it comes with a warranty Apple will replace your MacBook & you will hopefully get one that doesn't buzz. It doesn't cost money to send it in, but you do have to play for shipping.

This seems to be a huge reason to buy at an Apple store! Then you can just bring your defect computer back (to any store) and don't have to pay for the shipping. That shipping should be pretty pricey as well.
 

EGT

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Sep 4, 2003
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My Powerbook (PPC 1.25GHz) has always made this noise. Occasionally it stops for a few minutes but it's buzzing away most of the time. It changes sound when I touch the trackpad.

Disappointed it's still a "problem", what, 2 or 3 generations later? :rolleyes:
 

mark!

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macbook123 said:
This seems to be a huge reason to buy at an Apple store! Then you can just bring your defect computer back (to any store) and don't have to pay for the shipping.

Haha, sorry I forgot to include:

If you buy anything stock you can replace it an at Apple store.
If it is CTO it must be sent in, or the retail store can send it in for you.
CTO's cannot have refunds.
I think that's it...
 

macbook123

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markkk! said:
Haha, sorry I forgot to include:

If you buy anything stock you can replace it an at Apple store.
If it is CTO it must be sent in, or the retail store can send it in for you.
CTO's cannot have refunds.
I think that's it...

If the retail store sends it in for you, they're probably also going to charge you for the shipping. So you're saying this only applies to CTO things but they wouldn't charge you anything if you have a stock model? This seems weird, one would imagine that defect stock models also have to be sent in to get repaired.
 

mark!

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macbook123 said:
If the retail store sends it in for you, they're probably also going to charge you for the shipping. So you're saying this only applies to CTO things but they wouldn't charge you anything if you have a stock model? This seems weird, one would imagine that defect stock models also have to be sent in to get repaired.

Yes you have to pay shipping no matter what, but they will ship it for you & charge you there. If you want a replacement sstock, they will replace them for you RIGHT there...by giving you a new one. If yours is a defective CTO or DOA, they send it to Apple, & they (APPLE) will refurbish it & sell it in their refurbished department.
 

Sogo

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plinden

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Apr 8, 2004
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Kingsly said:
Here is a clip someone recorded of the sound. Its quite annoying (to me at least)

http://web.mac.com/alexmarkov/iWeb/Blog/Podcast/25CE557A-75EA-4888-B3F8-443D3F8F0E60.html
I'm not quite sure what I'm supposed to be hearing - is it the very quiet buzz that I could only hear with the sound turned up full? As someone who's worked on only PC laptops, that doesn't seem very noticeable to me. All the laptops I've had in the past six years (Compaq Armada, Thinkpad 600E, Thinkpad T41p, Dell D810) have made a faint buzzing sound especially when things are being modified on screen (e.g. while closing a window).

Edit: by making the above comment, showing that as a PC-user-up-to-now, I have lower standards, I'm not dismissing anyone's concerns. If you find it annoying, then you do have higher standards than I do.
 

thegreatluke

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Dec 29, 2005
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plinden said:
I'm not quite sure what I'm supposed to be hearing - is it the very quiet buzz that I could only hear with the sound turned up full? As someone who's worked on only PC laptops, that doesn't seem very noticeable to me. All the laptops I've had in the past six years (Compaq Armada, Thinkpad 600E, Thinkpad T41p, Dell D810) have made a faint buzzing sound especially when things are being modified on screen (e.g. while closing a window).

Edit: by making the above comment, showing that as a PC-user-up-to-now, I have lower standards, I'm not dismissing anyone's concerns. If you find it annoying, then you do have higher standards than I do.
Yeah, it's that.
We Mac users DEMAND perfection from Unkie Steve.
We're spoiled little brats, we are.
I know how you feel, though.

The MBP is my first real* Mac, and I'm used to my paren'ts HP and Compaq computers, which both have very loud fan sounds.
When I started using Macs, I was amazed at how all of them seemed to be silent in normal operation. I literally said "woah" when I went up to a PowerMac G5 (they were the 1.6+1.8 GHz models at the time) and the only way I could hear its fans was if I put my ears literally up to the air holes.

*I had a PowerMac G4 Sawtooth that died on me after two weeks. Heh.
 

mlrproducts

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Apr 18, 2004
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When did this whole pay for shipping thing start? I used to get my Powerbooks fixed for free, with free shipping, under warranty.

The iPods, you have to pay after 6 months the shipping fee.
 

Kingsly

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plinden said:
I'm not quite sure what I'm supposed to be hearing - is it the very quiet buzz that I could only hear with the sound turned up full?

Did you listen to the whole clip? The buzzing doesn't start until about halfway though.

mlrproducts said:
When did this whole pay for shipping thing start? I used to get my Powerbooks fixed for free, with free shipping, under warranty.

Wondering the same thing myself.
 

mark!

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Kingsly said:
Did you listen to the whole clip? The buzzing doesn't start until about halfway though.



Wondering the same thing myself.

Sorry, I guess it's just in my area.
 

plinden

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Kingsly said:
Did you listen to the whole clip? The buzzing doesn't start until about halfway though.

Yep, the only sound I heard was what I'm used to on PC laptops, even near-top-of-the-line Thinkpads. Sorry, but it doesn't seem like a big deal to me ... I'm so used to fans and other computer-related noises that I'm still regularly feeling the back of my iMac to make sure it's not overheating.
 

jimmie

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Feb 26, 2006
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That's the same sound I used to hear on my AlPB1.5Ghz. It usually happened when I touched the trackpad after a while of no activity. It was a little irritating but not the level to call it a defect. I hope there's a way to kill the noise, tho.

WHere is 1.83s anyway?! I can't believe some 2.16s have been received days ago, only a few days after their order placement. And we'll see new machines the day after tomorrow?!
 

Arnaud

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May 24, 2005
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The Moon
Honestly, are there any quiet (laptop) computers around anymore? Anything which you don't have to hide under the desk ? Between the fan, the CPU fan, the hard-drive, the hard-drive fan, the screen, etc... it is bound to happen to some extent.

My latest very-quiet machine was a Powerbook 3400c, because of the lack of fan - but the floppy drive was quite noisy :p

I discovered the high level of annoyance of very low sounds when working alone on my iMac G5 (rev.A) at 5.am, in the middle of absolute quietness, with a constant low noise (there have been enough threads on that issue). Then I went back to the shop and stuck my ear against iMacs and G5's, and couldn't hear a thing, amid the noises of peoples, neon lights, music, whatever - which is why you will always discover this kind of surprises by yourself, home -.

I suppose a really silent computer is a dead computer ? :eek:
 

thegreatluke

macrumors 6502a
Dec 29, 2005
649
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Earth
Arnaud said:
Honestly, are there any quiet (laptop) computers around anymore?
No. :p

(Actually, I'm really hoping this buzzing problem affects only the 2.0+ models... I have a 1.83 model delivering TOMORROW and I pray it won't happen. If it does, my dad, who's a rabid PC fanboy, won't let me forget it ever.)
 

Arnaud

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May 24, 2005
430
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The Moon
thegreatluke said:
No. :p

(Actually, I'm really hoping this buzzing problem affects only the 2.0+ models... I have a 1.83 model delivering TOMORROW and I pray it won't happen. If it does, my dad, who's a rabid PC fanboy, won't let me forget it ever.)

Don't let him realize it ! Always music on ! :D
 

gammamonk

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Jun 4, 2004
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dferrara said:
After reviewing that sound clip... I'm sure that all the other PowerBook users here can tell you, it's the exact same sound. I could hear more noise from the user. :rolleyes:
My Powerbook does that sometimes. Always when it's on Better Performace. It is super annoying, but at least for me, I can just turn my CPU down to Normal and it goes away.
 

Krevnik

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Sep 8, 2003
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mmmcheese said:
As far as I understand it, Intel is only involved in the PowerMac replacement board design. The MBP and the last revision PowerBook look very similar on the inside.

Also, Intel is a very good motherboard designer. They do tend to err on the side of stability rather than squeezing the most performance they can out of it. In the end, other manufacturers are only about 1% faster, but many times their product aren't quite as stable. If I was doing large renders, for example, I wouldn't want the machine crashing part way through the job. Humans can't tell the difference in speed until about 10% speed difference, so the 1% penalty for stability is well "spent."

It was revealed at one point that Intel designed the mobo to Apple's design specs. The problem I have with Intel is not the design, the mobo in the MBP is pretty slickly designed, /and/ manages to have 2 well-placed fans in the case. The problem I have is that they also chose which components to put in, which isn't always the best ones for the job for cost reasons. My CPU fan (another topic) was defective out of the box making 'grinding' noises while spinning. So I am waiting for my local Apple Store to get another 2.0 in stock so they can do an engineering capture on mine and replace it. And I am still trying to figure out why the right speaker was placed under the power button, muffling the sound. That could be a problem of Apple + Intel not communicating very well though.
 
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