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It's a beautiful display, but really no better than the 450 dollar 4K P2715Q right next to it. The Apple display seems to have a slight advantage in dynamic range via better control of highlights. But the Dell does a bit better with shadow details. Pixel density at 27" is high on both monitors so it's tough to see much (if any difference).

I've got a cheap-ish Dell S2817Q next to my iMac - which doesn't remotely compete in terms of colour (as expected), but its nice and sharp and running in the (misleadingly titled) "looks like 2560x1440" gives the same screen real-estate as the iMac (in fact, with the larger 28" screen you can go a little higher) with only a very slight degradation in quality compared to the truly pixel-doubled 5k. Make no mistake, 5k is better than 4k and the 5k in the iMac is great to have, but it isn't "night and day" I can see why 5k isn't taking off in the PC world (all of the third party 5k displays seem to have been discontinued) given the interfacing hassle and diminishing returns.

I think Apple maybe need to start thinking about larger screens that would take better advantage of 5k - the iMac should be next in the queue for a bezel-ectomy.


The SSD version that I'm reviewing brings up programs and files a bit faster, but I don't see it making a huge difference in most workflows. Obviously there will be some situations where the SSD will be MUCH better. But listen to folks at a few of the top Hollywood post production houses (and in NY too!). Get the i7.

...if you work in a Hollywood post-production house and can't wait for the iMac Pro or new Mac Pro, because if you spend your days doing huge video or 3D renders that take hours then doing them 10% faster will pay for it in no time. No brainer.

For other, though, the extra "snappiness" when opening programs and files around might be more valuable than saving 10 minutes once a month when you do a big processor-intensive job (and maybe you'll appreciate a quieter machine with no spinning rust and less fan noise). I'd be interested in seeing comparative timings like compiling software with XCode, building Homebrew packages or running Logic with lots of sample-based instruments - but also bearing in mind that Fusion performance will depend on what's in the cache when you start.

Of course, that assumes that you're in the unfortunate dilemma of being able to afford an i7 or a SSD but not both - but that's what the refurb store is for. Glad to hear that you extracted some concession from Apple for your memory problem.

The sound of the iMac isn't terrible, but you already know that it's best to go with some external speakers. I use the HK sound sticks, but they're barely acceptable.

Actually, I think Apple's speakers (in iPad, iMac etc) are better than anybody could reasonably expect for tiny, invisible speakers. For an office machine, they're all you need. Of course, if you want to use your iMac as your HiFi or Home Theatre, you'll need something, well, bigger.

If you want something better, it might be worth looking at studio monitor speakers rather than flashy plexiglass stuff from the likes of HK or paying $1000 for HiFi freak stuff. There are active monitor speakers in the $100-$200 price range. I ended up getting these:

http://www.music-group.com/Categori...r-Systems/Studio-Monitors/MEDIA-40USB/p/P0AUV

..which connect via USB (leaving the Mac headphone socket free for... headphones)

MAGIC MOUSE/KEYBOARD

Public Service Announcement: Mice are a subjective thing - and it would be stupid of me to deride anybody who's tastes differ from mine... unless, of course, you actually like Apple mice in which case you are completely and fundamentally wrong in every respect and are a clearly terrible perverted person (I can only imagine that the suffering induces some sort of endorphin high like a really hot curry or self flagellation) ... but apart from that, yeah, different strokes etc.

However, despite making mice that should be banned by the UN as implements of torture, Apple do make excellent trackpads, so my recommendation is to take the opportunity of spending the $50 extra to get the Magic Trackpad 2 instead of the Tragic Mouse (Pro tip: turn on 3-finger drag which is now hidden in the Accessibility control panel). There are still some things that a mouse is better for (some games, precise graphics) but odds are you already own a mouse that you like: I already had a Logitech MX Master.

I got the new Magic Keyboard with number pad - its ~OK (better than the new MacBook keyboards) but, feel-wise, not as good as the old wired keyboard with number pad (I'm trying to give it a fair trial, but I may revert when I've sorted out a USB hub). However, I tend to keep the light on when I'm computing so I'm not concerned about backlighting.

I thought the feel of the old-style aluminium keyboards had the edge over Logitech keyboards - the new ones, not so much (when did progress start to mean "making stuff worse"? Am I getting old?)
 
I use the HK sound sticks, but they're barely acceptable.

I love my HK Soundsticks III and find them to be a lot better than barely acceptable as an upgrade for the iMac's internal speakers.

Maybe a little separation of your satellites might help improve your sound a little. :p
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However, despite making mice that should be banned by the UN as implements of torture, Apple do make excellent trackpads, so my recommendation is to take the opportunity of spending the $50 extra to get the Magic Trackpad 2 instead of the Tragic Mouse (Pro tip: turn on 3-finger drag which is now hidden in the Accessibility control panel).

Here's another Pro tip:

Buy a license for the incredible BetterTouchTool and turn your Magic Mouse into a hybrid trackpad/mouse. This combination makes the Magic Mouse so essential to me that I find myself involuntarily trying to invoke my gestures when I'm forced to use other computers with regular, mortal mice.

I happen to love the new Magic Keyboard with numeric pad as well. I don't happen to consider backlighting as an essential feature. I never look at the keyboard when I'm typing anyway at this point and don't use it in dark rooms either.
 
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I love my HK Soundsticks III and find them to be a lot better than barely acceptable as an upgrade for the iMac's internal speakers.

Maybe a little separation of your satellites might help improve your sound a little. :p
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Here's another Pro tip:

Buy a license for the incredible BetterTouchTool and turn your Magic Mouse into a hybrid trackpad/mouse. This combination makes the Magic Mouse so essential to me that I find myself involuntarily trying to invoke my gestures when I'm forced to use other computers with regular, mortal mice.

I happen to love the new Magic Keyboard with numeric pad as well. I don't happen to consider backlighting as an essential feature. I never look at the keyboard when I'm typing anyway at this point and don't use it in dark rooms either.



I'm a guy with many thousands invested in high end speakers and tube amps and I've also heard some pretty amazing near-field computer sound systems on a desktop. The HK sound sticks are the "high end" of the lowest arena of computer sound. Separating them isn't going to fix them. I bought them because they don't sound horrible and they look nice.
But a few hundred bucks will buy you something that sounds more like music.


R.
 
I'm a guy with many thousands invested in high end speakers and tube amps and I've also heard some pretty amazing near-field computer sound systems on a desktop. The HK sound sticks are the "high end" of the lowest arena of computer sound. Separating them isn't going to fix them. I bought them because they don't sound horrible and they look nice.
But a few hundred bucks will buy you something that sounds more like music.

Well I wasn't looking to spend thousands on high end speakers or tube amps. I was just looking for something the both looked and sounded good to take the place of the iMac's internal speakers and the HK Soundsticks were more than up to that task. That is, at least, to my ears and I am a professional musician.
 
"4K P2715Q"
=> I wanted to order this one too to complete my setup, but unfortunately its price tag is around € 700- €750 in Belgium (+/- 850 US$)

=> Update: Swapped the mouse with a steelseries one ;), keyboard still feels fine, trackpad is installed, but not used
 
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Well I wasn't looking to spend thousands on high end speakers or tube amps. I was just looking for something the both looked and sounded good to take the place of the iMac's internal speakers and the HK Soundsticks were more than up to that task. That is, at least, to my ears and I am a professional musician.



Everyone's got different ears, but the midrange of the HK sticks is pretty awful. The highs from those tiny drivers are harsh and brittle. There's a huge measurable hole in the mid-base frequencies and the sub is muddy at best, which is expected via the thin plastic enclosure.

That all said, I do LIKE the Soundsticks. They look great and sound better than most options under 200 bucks. But serious transducers of music they are not.

For better sound, a pair of Audioengine A2's and the S8 sub are a good place to start, but this costs in the 600 dollar range. Skip the sub and the A2's will lack bass, but still sound vastly better than the Soundsticks for just 250 bucks.

The problem I have is desk space. My desk was originally bought 5 months ago for the 15" MBP and a Dell 4K. Now I have the 5K iMac and the Dell screen and thus little room for proper speaker placement.

1st world problems.


R.
 
I had the original Soundsticks w/ the iSub on my Powermac G4 & G5 and it was fantastic. I later upgraded to the AudioEngine A5s and they do sound better, but ever since I got an iMac I find the internal speakers are fine for general everyday use.
 
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I had the original Soundsticks w/ the iSub on my Powermac G4 & G5 and it was fantastic. I later upgraded to the AudioEngine A5s and they do sound better, but ever since I got an iMac I find the internal speakers are fine for general everyday use.



Yeah...the A5's are even better.


R
 
Have had my iMac since 9/2 and have been very pleased. Thought I would post a GeekBench for those interested in such.
 

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2017 15" MBP 2.9i7 512GB
16 GB 2133 MHz LPDDR3
Intel HD Graphics 630 1536 MB
Factory setup except I am running Pro Apps Bundle for Edu

Love everything about this kit except Safari hangs like a muther and not just for ten seconds...more like 10 minutes! Had it looked at x 2, oneth by phone and twoeth by Genius Bar to no avail. Have to drop history and quit then restart every time I wake it from sleep. Super pissed about safari. The only downside to an otherwise exceptional machine-but an annoying as hell downside.
 
2017 15" MBP 2.9i7 512GB
16 GB 2133 MHz LPDDR3
Intel HD Graphics 630 1536 MB
Factory setup except I am running Pro Apps Bundle for Edu

Love everything about this kit except Safari hangs like a muther and not just for ten seconds...more like 10 minutes! Had it looked at x 2, oneth by phone and twoeth by Genius Bar to no avail. Have to drop history and quit then restart every time I wake it from sleep. Super pissed about safari. The only downside to an otherwise exceptional machine-but an annoying as hell downside.

Thread is for 2017 iMac, not MBP.
 
I got the new Magic Keyboard with number pad - its ~OK (better than the new MacBook keyboards) but, feel-wise, not as good as the old wired keyboard with number pad (I'm trying to give it a fair trial, but I may revert when I've sorted out a USB hub). However, I tend to keep the light on when I'm computing so I'm not concerned about backlighting.

I thought the feel of the old-style aluminium keyboards had the edge over Logitech keyboards - the new ones, not so much (when did progress start to mean "making stuff worse"? Am I getting old?)

I bought the iMac in July and I still can't get comfortable with the new keyboard. I make a lot of mistakes and it feels cheap. I used my old wired keyboard for almost 10 years and I was thinking of buying a new one since it was discontinued this year.
 
I used my old wired keyboard for almost 10 years and I was thinking of buying a new one since it was discontinued this year.

I've gone back to my old wired aluminium KB. The Magic Keyboard was tolerable - and I gave it a good chance - but the old one is just better.

Progress.
 
I've gone back to my old wired aluminium KB. The Magic Keyboard was tolerable - and I gave it a good chance - but the old one is just better.

Progress.

And yet, there are other users like myself who prefer the new Magic Keyboard. I went with the numeric keypad model for my 2017 iMac and I love it.

It's yet another one of those entirely subjective issues that don't really warrant debate as it inevitably comes down to what's best for the individual.

I don't find it to feel cheap nor has there been any change in my typing accuracy from my previous Apple wired keyboard. YMMV.
 
The "new" magic keyboard is fine. I have two of them still in the boxes. They got sandbagged only due to the lack of the backlighting. Other than that they are good quality.

R.
 
And yet, there are other users like myself who prefer the new Magic Keyboard.
It's yet another one of those entirely subjective issues that don't really warrant debate

Which is fine - you have as much right to that opinion as do those of us who dislike it - but you don't get the right to veto any debate.

The take-home lesson for people reading this thread is that although the Magic Keyboard may still have a "scissor" mechanism and not the contentious "butterfly" mechanism of the new MBPs, it isn't the same as the old wired keyboard, has shorter travel, a "harder" feel and a the whole keyboard is at a lower angle. People shouldn't assume that because they liked the old wired keyboard they'll like the new one.

Also, its not like this is a debate between fans of low-profile keyboards and the "you can have my IBM Model M when you pry it from beneath my cold dead hands" brigade. We're talking about the style of island/chiclet keyboard that Apple popularised 10 years ago, and which has been widely well-received (not to mention copied by the rest of the industry). I'd go out on a limb and suggest that, if Apple had kept the old ergonomics and simply added bluetooth and rechargeable batteries (and possibly a backlight), pretty much everybody would have been happy. Or (looking at the USB cables plugged into both sides of my keyboard) maybe they could have kept the wired version available...?
 
Received my i5 2017 iMac 27" yesterday and have finally got it set up the way I like it. It has replaced a late 2013 iMac 27" and i am noticing big increases in speed, boot speed is far better, and the screen is incredibly vivid and silky smooth. My previous iMac was great but there are very positive improvements here.

I have partitioned off 100GB of my fusion drive and installed Windows 10 today, customised all that, and installed a couple of games (Cuphead and Forza 7 demo). Also its whisper quiet, and has only given a little whoosh of fan noise during the lengthy installation of Windows 10.

All in all, I am very happy. Oh and I like the new style keyboard and have started to get used to it quite quickly. Only other plans I have for this machine are a ram upgrade to maybe 24GB and thats it.

Great machine :)
 
Which is fine - you have as much right to that opinion as do those of us who dislike it - but you don't get the right to veto any debate.

There is no debate. It is an entirely subjective issue. If you had written that "the old one is just better IN MY OPINION" I never would have commented.

The only fact is that you prefer the old wired keyboard, which is fine.
 
So do you actually dislike the feel of the old wired keyboard but like the new one?
Or is it that you just don't see a problem with the feel of the new one and like other aspects of it?

I can't stand the old Apple keyboards now and really enjoy the one with the keypad I got with the 2017 iMac and also the new MBP one too [never liked any of the old keyboards really].

Its all each to their own it appears, some like old some like new. I prefer less travel, flatter keys.
 
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I can't stand the old Apple keyboards now and really enjoy the one with the keypad I got with the 2017 iMac and also the new MBP one too [never liked any of the old keyboards really].

Its all each to their own it appears, some like old some like new. I prefer less travel, flatter keys.

I'm really enjoying the new keyboard now. Plus as its flat to the desk it doesn't make a loud pounding sound when I'm typing at full speed like the old one! :)
 
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