Please STOP !

[toke lahti]

apple periodically releases, for example, security updates for older OSes.

also, since you're still missing the point: we get incremental updates that happen over the year to address bugs; it's not like apple releases an OS on a tuesday, then heads to barbados with a bag of weed and the harry potter books for a year, while we wrestle with OS issues...

Over the years, I have had many problems with interoperability with mac hardware and OS versions.
Right now, I can't hot-disconnect my eGPU from mini2018 & 10.14.6. I'll have to do full shut-down, then power off eGPU and then restart the mini. This is fixed in later OSses, but not in Mojave.

This is what they do: they don't fix all the bugs in older OSses. Only some of them get fixed in "supplemental updates". Also, fw updates and security updates breaks new thing in old OSses, that are not all fixed. All this would change to better, if there would be longer period between major releases.

 

[jgbr]

I must admit, I miss the good old days of OS/s that lasted and went stable for years. I think they should go back...

You could argue Microsoft has it right with Win10, although that has had its update issues.

But I agree, longer updates been OS/s..Big Sur should remain for a good few years.

 

[toke lahti]

Actually not true! Apple just issued Security updates for Mojave and Catalina.

Lou

They fix some security issues, but not all the bugs in those OSses. I DO have experience on this for years.

 

[fisherking]

Over the years, I have had many problems with interoperability with mac hardware and OS versions.
Right now, I can't hot-disconnect my eGPU from mini2018 & 10.14.6. I'll have to do full shut-down, then power off eGPU and then restart the mini. This is fixed in later OSses, but not in Mojave.

This is what they do: they don't fix all the bugs in older OSses. Only some of them get fixed in "supplemental updates". Also, fw updates and security updates breaks new thing in old OSses, that are not all fixed. All this would change to better, if there would be longer period between major releases.

i hear you, really. but apple does yearly releases, that's how it is. but one does not have to upgrade yearly, that's important.

we do what we want with the options in front of us, then deal with the consequences. basically, that's how everything works, isn't it? so perhaps, you think: what can i do in this moment to make the situation better? and, i humbly suggest, that starting a thread & looking for support beats whining and ranting (in general, this is not directed at you).

and i will now move on...

 

[jgbr]

Don’t have to move on is correct, but the time for an Mac OS to expire is remarkably fast compared to Windows when it comes to updates and security.

 

[fisherking]

Don’t have to move on is correct, but the time for an Mac OS to expire is remarkably fast compared to Windows when it comes to updates and security.

and? if that's how it is, what's your point? anyway, there are usually intelligent people who create patches for older hardware, if someone feels they must run a new OS on an older mac. and an older mac does not stop working when an incompatible OS is released.... 🤔

 

[gollum]

My issue is making changes for change sake and calling it an improvement.
Like making the text and icons smaller and faded so they're almost impossible to see and trying to say it's an improvement.

 

[fisherking]

My issue is making changes for change sake and calling it an improvement.
Like making the text and icons smaller and faded so they're almost impossible to see and trying to say it's an improvement.

haha, that would be an issue for anyone. but, so much work goes on under the hood... and that (should) matter most... yes? no?

not sure what mac you're on, but text looks same here as always, and icons don't seem faded. and i'm doing all my real work, plus emailing, surfing, over-posting on this forum ... just as i did in catalina, etc etc. and it's fine.

 

[||\||]

... just as i did in catalina, etc etc. and it's fine.

🤣

 

[harriska2]

I prefer an 18-24 month development cycle. 12 months is cray cray - and is likely why the new OSes have all sorts of problems.

 

[jgbr]

and? if that's how it is, what's your point? anyway, there are usually intelligent people who create patches for older hardware, if someone feels they must run a new OS on an older mac. and an older mac does not stop working when an incompatible OS is released.... 🤔

the point is, rushing new versions out all the time which is then coupled with a relatively short life of prior Ones. It's a double whammy. This could all be smoothed out by having less regularly OS iterations. Win7 > Win 10 for example.

 

[fisherking]

the point is, rushing new versions out all the time which is then coupled with a relatively short life of prior Ones. It's a double whammy. This could all be smoothed out by having less regularly OS iterations. Win7 > Win 10 for example.

define 'rushing'; as soon as you do, am sure apple will read this, agree, and change things to make you personally happier. and, again (sigh), previous OSes don't just die when new ones are released.

 

[BornAgainMac]

I am ready for the next update and we are not even in June yet. I want more changes.

 

[jgbr]

define 'rushing'; as soon as you do, am sure apple will read this, agree, and change things to make you personally happier. and, again (sigh), previous OSes don't just die when new ones are released.

Again [sigh], you are missing the point and notably as always like to troll and disagree. The OP is suggesting less releases in hope of stable releases, as it was back in tiger, leopard days etc.

 

[fisherking]

Again [sigh], you are missing the point and notably as always like to troll and disagree. The OP is suggesting less releases in hope of stable releases, as it was back in tiger, leopard days etc.

a new OS each year, and incremental updates throughout the year. or... a new OS every 2 years, and incremental updates over those 2 years. or...

am not missing the point, because you're not making one. am not trolling anything, and i will only disagree with something i disagree with. and either way, none of this will change apple's behavior.

 

[Partron22]

re Music: When I play a record, I like the tracks to play in 1, 2, 3... order. For some reason likely related to making money off streaming, Apple has made it a PITA to set my personal music collection up like this. God only knows what would happen if I added Cloud or an Apple music subscription to this mess.
It might be a job for AppleScript to a least get all my albums in track order. Music is far from the most Script friendly app I've ever seen.

 

[fisherking]

re Music: When I play a record, I like the tracks to play in 1, 2, 3... order. For some reason likely related to making money off streaming, Apple has made it a PITA to set my personal music collection up like this. God only knows what would happen if I added Cloud or an Apple music subscription to this mess.
It might be a job for AppleScript to a least get all my albums in track order. Music is far from the most Script friendly app I've ever seen.

'shuffle' settings under 'controls'...

 

[Partron22]

'shuffle' settings under 'controls'...

There's a subtler problem that doesn't fix. Sometimes you have to move albums within a Playlist, and sometimes you have move tracks inside Playlist to 1234 instead of 4321. These are both doable manually, but that's not much fun with a big library.
Here we are:

Edit a playlist​

In the Music app on your Mac, select a playlist in the sidebar on the left and do any of the following:

• Rename the playlist: Select the playlist name at the top of the window, then enter the new name.
• Change the order of songs: Choose View > Sort By. When you choose View > Sort By > Playlist Order, you can drag items into the order you want.
• Remove an item: Select the item and press the Delete key.
  If the deleted song is already in your library, removing it from a playlist doesn’t remove it from your library or storage device.

Emphasis mine. You can cause temporary changes in song order by other methods, but they don't hold up through quitting and restarting Music. As I said, unless I can automate it, it's going to be a pain.

 

[toke lahti]

a new OS each year, and incremental updates throughout the year. or... a new OS every 2 years, and incremental updates over those 2 years. or...

am not missing the point, because you're not making one. am not trolling anything, and i will only disagree with something i disagree with. and either way, none of this will change apple's behavior.

Can you make even one argument, why is it better, the way it is now, that Apple releases major new version every year?
One reason comes to my mind: to cut support costs. Which are the biggest expenses in general in IT industry.

Every year, they can leave a lot of bugs not to be fixed and obsolete a lot of models that does not need to be compatible with new OS anymore.

 

[fisherking]

Can you make even one argument, why is it better, the way it is now, that Apple releases major new version every year?
One reason comes to my mind: to cut support costs. Which are the biggest expenses in general in IT industry.

Every year, they can leave a lot of bugs not to be fixed and obsolete a lot of models that does not need to be compatible with new OS anymore.

we can discuss this for the rest of all time; apple does what it does. besides... incremental updates. they don't simply 'leave a lot of bugs not to be fixed'... they do bug fixes periodically throughout each year.

is all of this ideal? maybe not. but, a new release, say, every 2 years, would just mean incremental updates over... 2 years.

and again, apple does what it does: we adapt, or don't (and complain endlessly). welcome to the macrumors forum way-of-life...

 

[jagan]

When I read replies from some of these Hardcore Apple Fanboys (yes, especially one in this thread), I think of representatives of the Chinese Communist Party. "China is a faultless communist paradise. Any critique is Western Imperialism!" etc.)

 

[fisherking]

When I read replies from some of these Hardcore Apple Fanboys (yes, especially one in this thread), I think of representatives of the Chinese Communist Party. "China is a faultless communist paradise. Any critique is Western Imperialism!" etc.)

ha, i know you don't mean me (because i have my own issues with apple); plus, i left the chinese communist party (or i will leave soon)...

 

[MBAir2010]

At least when Apple releases an operating system, it basically works. Unlike Microsoft with windows 10.

the Windows updates always work, and they will give my dell an option to update now, or later
kinda like that candy: now and later.
i do prefer Mojave over windows tho, and the MacBook air over the Dell XSP
and tix and tax over now and later

 

[alphaswift]

I really wish Apple would stop releasing OS's it's just crazy how many they release. No sooner has one
got settled in they release another then another then another, it's no wonder companies do not produce
software for Macs they just do not know if it will be working under the next weeks release.

Apple, please STOP producing OS's its just not required to produce so many so fast, people condoning their
jobs I assume I see no other reason.

Jeebus. Just don't upgrade if you think it's too much. Call me crazy but I like security, fixes and new features.

 

[OnawaAfrica]

Move to Android, you'll get 1 update each 1 or 2 years, by the second update your device is now old and the update makes it laggy and useless.

Or u don’t get any update at all not even a security update