MP 7,1 Poll - So what should the base MP 2019 be sold for then??

[mikehalloran]

Based on what is available from Apple and off the shelf right now, I expect the 16 core 7.1 with the same 128GB RAM and 2TB storage to cost less than my 14 Core iMac Pro V64. This assumes a 27" 5K monitor like the iMP and 3rd party RAM which is already available from OWC.

The only unknown is the add-on price of the new Vega GPUs. If the Pro 2 is $2,000 add-on, the price should be the same as mine.

So, while I believe the base model to be overpriced, I don't think it should exist. A 16 Core 32GB 1TB with a much better GPU like the Vega 64x could have been brought in easily for $8,995 plus monitor.

Apple is using off-the-shelf parts except for the storage and they've been using that for two years, now.

Knowing this, I bought now rather than later since I needed to replace my old machine. No regrets or woulda-coulda-shoulda here.

As sexy as the 7.1 is, there's nothing I can see doing that can't be done on the bad boy I have now. If that time comes, I will expect the project to pay for the new machine I need.

 

[pl1984]

Wow, thanks for the holier-than-thou reply. You seriously think it is whining to assess that Apple just produced a "solution" to the previous dead end that's TWICE what most folks can and will pay (and have paid/budgeted in the past), and to be disappointed in that?

This has always been the way those who are critical of Apple's product offerings are characterized. While I don't feel this Mac Pro is overpriced I do feel Apple should make a similar, but less capable, system.
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My take is that the new Mac Pro is really mislabelled. It is really more of an "Enterprise Expansion Box" for high-end professionals that may work in studios and need maximum power. They are just offering a stripped down version of it at the entry level for people that don't have the money to buy a more robust configuration up front, but think they might someday? The entry level offering is a mystery really. I guess not many people are hot to purchase an expansion chassis for $5k that won't even light up a monitor?

Is it though? This got me to thinking. Everyone wanted an expandable Mac. It makes sense for Apple to offer a lower priced, "stripped down" version so people can do exactly that: Upgrade it to their needs. If all you're going to do is buy it appropriately configured then what's the sense of having an upgradeable system?

 

[BlueTide]

Problem for me is not if the component price is justified, it very well may be, but the price for the performance that it would deliver to my workloads. For that, as I and many other were guessing, is just disproportionate. Sure enough, other workstations might be in the same realm, but that doesn't make the situation any better. One gets way more for Davinci, Lightroom & 3d stuff elsewhere.

MacOS is nice, but not this nice. Add some inconvenience of not having Nvidia support (afaik), and this doesn't make any sense to me. And that's not even about affordability - I can afford it easy enough with the display (and stand!), but I ain't gonna pay that for bragging rights. Which leaves me in a nasty spot - what else could I use to drive a display like that...

 

[jccmaxon]

I doubt it can go below 6k...because imac pro is 5k.

ok, but at least 1Tb Ssd and apple care included

 

[Pro7913]

I think $4000 with less PCIe lanes option would be an ideal deal. Because Mac Pro 2019 is way overpriced and there are more Mac Pro users with cheaper versions than fully upgraded versions. This is because a lot of users demanded upgradable, expandible, and replaceable Mac desktop and Mac Pro is the only option.

There are several things that the basic version is overpriced:

1. 256gb SSD? Seriously? Tho writing and reading speeds are 2.7gb/s and 2.6gb/s, the price itself cant justify $6000.

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It's only few hundred dollars for Mac Pro 2019's SSD. No, the performance is better. And yet, Mac Pro 2019 is NOT replaceable because it's Apple's only SSD and they dont gonna sell it separately. This is a biggest disappointment. SSD is not upgradable.

2. GPU for $6000 is AMD Radeon Pro 580X. 580X is literally a workstation version of RX 580. Nothing new.

AMD Radeon Pro 580X Specs

AMD Ellesmere, 1200 MHz, 2304 Cores, 144 TMUs, 32 ROPs, 8192 MB GDDR5, 1710 MHz, 256 bit

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In terms of performance, it's not even great.

3. Xeon 8 core is Xeon W-3223 and the price is $749. Understandable.

4. RAM for 32gb ECC 2933mhz costs around $60. Times 4 is $240. But wait, 8 cores version use only 2666mhz!

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5. The power supply shouldn't be that expansive.

6. I assume that the motherboard should be very expansive since it has 8 PCIe and several TB3 ports.

But all of these for $6000? That's seriously overpriced.

 

[ridgero]

An 8 Core, 256 GB SSD(slow) Radeon 980x, 32 GB RAM (lower clockspeed) is a real joke for a 6k pro computer in 2019/2020.

Okay, it’s meant for professionals, they won‘t buy the base model and upgrade to mich higher specs. BUT WHY is there such a low specs model?

They shouldn’t even sell an 8 core Mac Pro.

I personally think there is much room for a „Mac“ between the Mac Mini & Mac Pro

 

[Pro7913]

An 8 Core, 256 GB SSD(slow) Radeon 980x, 32 GB RAM (lower clockspeed) is a real joke for a 6k pro computer in 2019/2020.

Okay, it’s meant for professionals, they won‘t buy the base model and upgrade to mich higher specs. BUT WHY is there such a low specs model?

They shouldn’t even sell an 8 core Mac Pro.

I personally think there is much room for a „Mac“ between the Mac Mini & Mac Pro

Well Xeon-W 8 core itself is $800...

 

[gugy]

I wish Apple had a Mac Pro “lite” version. Less expansion slots with a better starting price like $3.5k. Alongside 5k displays like the iMac for $1,5k. That would appease the rest of us who can’t afford the nMP and XDR displays.
Sadly, I might need to keep my 2010 MP 5,1 for another couple years. What a shame.

 

[AidenShaw]

Sadly, I might need to keep my 2010 MP 5,1 for another couple years. What a shame.

If the MP7,1 "crashes and burns" like the MP6,1 trash can - it might be a blessing to be forced to wait.

 

[Pro7913]

I wish Apple had a Mac Pro “lite” version. Less expansion slots with a better starting price like $3.5k. Alongside 5k displays like the iMac for $1,5k. That would appease the rest of us who can’t afford the nMP and XDR displays.
Sadly, I might need to keep my 2010 MP 5,1 for another couple years. What a shame.

Because of iMac Pro, that wont happen. iMac Pro has to be discontinued first because it takes a mid-range of pro-Mac desktop.

 

[gugy]

Because of iMac Pro, that wont happen. iMac Pro has to be discontinued first because it takes a mid-range of pro-Mac desktop.

Yep, I can see that.
I think in the end I might just get the iMac 2019 or possibly an update one if happens in October.
Not the solution I really want but...
I love my MP 5,1 but it’s time for a refresh.

 

[Pro7913]

Yep, I can see that.
I think in the end I might just get the iMac 2019 or possibly an update one if happens in October.
Not the solution I really want but...
I love my MP 5,1 but it’s time for a refresh.

It is. Sidecar wont gonna work that I need to buy new devices.

 

[Horselover Fat]

I’m not debating the cost of this collection of Pro components (Xeons, ECC RAM) and the R&D for the fine case or the GPU elements. For me it‘s not about what it costs, but what it is.

 

[dpny]

How many of these garbage fire threads do we need.

Garbage fire threads are 90% of the content here.

 

[ZombiePhysicist]

Garbage fire threads are 90% of the content here.

Yea, you're certainly adding to the quality.

 

[goMac]

Alongside 5k displays like the iMac for $1,5k. That would appease the rest of us who can’t afford the nMP and XDR displays.

That would be the Apple co-designed Ultrafine 5k for $1300.

I know it's not in an Apple styled case. But it's the same panel and size as an iMac, with all the regular Apple features, and built in OS support.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

The prices are a problem after the Intel cuts. The 7,1 has the same problem as the launch of 6,1. Last year's CPU with prices much higher than building your own workstation with the newest hardware

Intel prices drops causing a buying dilemma

Now Intel had cut prices by 50% building your own workstation has gotten so much more affordable. We have AMD and Intel Xeon and Core i9 options at consumer enthusiast prices. Here's options we have. 1/ Mac Pro 7,1 featuring last year's Xeons and two year old GPU based on 4 year old GPU...

forums.macrumors.com

 

[iGobbleoff]

I think at least $7k