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MP 7,1 POLL: The NEW Cheese Grater Mac Pro (nCMP). Hot or Not?
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There's almost a poetic matter in which you've quoted a post discussing him in relation to you.
https://www.extremetech.com/computi...ow-available-before-pcie-4-0-has-even-shipped
I should be more accurate. The spec is out and finalized for pci 5. No product out yet, at least that I know of. But with the spec out, I expect at least a few boards to be out by December. Could be wrong.
The design doesnt bother me at all.
The pricing bothers me, 6k entry is absolutely decadent
The pricing bothers me, 6k entry is absolutely decadent
Don't mind me. I've been drinking my good crafts before they turn.
Internal storage for the files that need super fast IO, 10 Gbit NAS for the rest.
This machine is not meant for you and I, it's meant for people that make a living and time is money (a lot of money).
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Yeah PCIe 5 specc just finished, will take at leat 2 years to reach platforms.
99% this is PCIe 3 though, if that's the intel w3175x. And intel always waits a while before they add new features to their server and HEDT platforms
PCIe 4 is coming out for Intel's server line beginning with Sapphire Rapids in 2022 or 2021. It'll be a while before either AMD or Intel adopt PCIe 5.
There you go, everyone's answer on PCIe
[doublepost=1559597354][/doublepost]Also, this is the ultimate motivation as to why ARM powered macs are BS, Apple won't ever put the RnD into developing a 28core+ ARM chip. And I doubt they would maintain macOS on two different ARCHes
I have a feeling it will look much better in person than in images. It will have an imposing brute vibe to it.
I wonder if Apple will think it makes sense to have a display model of these set up in each of their stores.
I wonder if Apple will think it makes sense to have a display model of these set up in each of their stores.
TBH, AMD did themselves a massive favor. Though my curiosity was piqued. Was anyone saturating 100% bandwidth on PCIe3 on higher end boards? I don't read computer forums as much as I used to, but the aforementioned comes up from time to time when people discuss PCIe tech in relation to SATA.
For GPUs it's not that necessary unless very specific workloads. For SSDs the jump is very welcome as all SSDs were maxing out their x4 link. though my guess is apple will just RAID a few together.
(PCIe 4 SSDs need fans because they run so hot now)
In that case, I'll buy it over there and spend the difference on a nice european vacation.
I think it looks really ugly. But I cannot disagree with their statements that it's function over all else. It's clearly going to be incredibly functional in every way imaginable.
The pricing is very out of whack as usual with Apples high end stuff so I won't say more than that on the price.
The pricing is very out of whack as usual with Apples high end stuff so I won't say more than that on the price.
Not quite. SSDs were saturating the SATAIII bandwidth available. SSDs now connect through an NVME slot that take over 2-3 SATA ports and combine that bandwidth. PCIe SSDs bypass that altogether. It's why the Corsair PCIe4 SSD can outperform the fastest Samsung NVME. Ironically, some boards with NVME SSDs will shutdown PCIe lanes and not ports.
PCIe 4 controllers may need fans if the heatsinks aren't large enough to dissipate heat. These would only get hot under high I/O in RAID. They draw about 11 watts, and if the chipset were more refined, then they wouldn't need fans. HEDT Intel boards had some small fans maybe a decade ago. My old Athlon64 had a small fan for the chipset, too. Ideally, chipsets should go down in arch refinement but it isn't very cost effective. They could use blocks of copper over aluminum but it costs more and weighs more. Even if it'll help heat dissipate faster.
I hope that when they say modular, they will also sell s motherboards in the future for the future intel processors that will support PCIe5. AMD announced Ryzen 3000 series processors and motherboards that support PCIe4, last Monday for a ship date of July 7th. I too am concerned about PCIe3, however, from everything I've read GPU's aren't saturating PCIe3 yet. So, I guess we wait on Intel.
I think the real problem with getting AMD is that they do not support thunderbolt and apple is all in on thunderbolt. Which means they are left with Intel's laggy chip designs. And Intel Xeon chipsets are stuck on PCI3. At this rate, it might be 2 years before Intel gets a PCI5 chipset out for Xeons, and then there is a decent chance apple will lag a year behind that (assuming they even update the nCMP regularly--an unknown right now). So my guess is, it could be as bad as 3 years to get PCI5 on a mac pro.
Hope I'm wrong. Please someone convince me I'm wrong.