Damn the more days I wait to unbox my iPhone the less I want it. I haven't unboxed it because I am not sure If I want to pay such hefty prices (ATT plans) to use the phone...
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Possibly silly question on simultaneous data and voice
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I have a PPC 66700 (just to get details out of the way), and I keep debating if I can live with this phone over the iPhone. I have not unboxed my iPhone and have to return it by the July 13th if I decide the plans are to expensive.
Sprint:
Unlimited 3G Data/Email - $15
-- Includes picture mail
Unlimited Text messaging -- $7.99 (though I don't think you can get this anymore)
-- Only Includes one line
-- For Both lines it is $20 per month
Total: $23
Update: I looked up a new plan --
Unlimited Text Messaging w/o data - $15
Unlimited Text Messaging w/ data - $10
Since we are trying to compare each other equally we will only talk about with data.
Unlimited Data/Email - $15
-- Includes picture mail
Unlimited Text Messaging - $10
-- Only Includes one line
-- For Both lines it is $20 per month
Total: $25
ATT:
Unlimited Data/Email: $20
Unlimited Text Messaging: $20
Total: $40
Hefty.
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On that Note:
My current plan:
2000 Any Time Minutes
Unlimited Nights and Weekend
Unlimited Mobile To Mobile
Unlimited Data/Email
Unlimited Text Messaging
Nation Wide Calling
Protection Plan for my phone
Two phone lines.
Total: Around $120-125 per month
ATT w/ 1 iPhone and one regular phone:
2000 Anytime Minutes
Unlimited Data/Email
Unlimited Text Messaging (not sure if this includes both lines)
Unlimited Mobile to Mobile
Unlimited Nights and Weekends
Nation Wide Calling
Total: $150
Hefty
For unlimited date, the price AT&T is charging is hardly hefty?
Sprint:
Unlimited 3G Data/Email - $15
-- Includes picture mail
Unlimited Text messaging -- $7.99 (though I don't think you can get this anymore)
-- Only Includes one line
-- For Both lines it is $20 per month
Total: $23
Update: I looked up a new plan --
Unlimited Text Messaging w/o data - $15
Unlimited Text Messaging w/ data - $10
Since we are trying to compare each other equally we will only talk about with data.
Unlimited Data/Email - $15
-- Includes picture mail
Unlimited Text Messaging - $10
-- Only Includes one line
-- For Both lines it is $20 per month
Total: $25
ATT:
Unlimited Data/Email: $20
Unlimited Text Messaging: $20
Total: $40
Hefty.
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On that Note:
My current plan:
2000 Any Time Minutes
Unlimited Nights and Weekend
Unlimited Mobile To Mobile
Unlimited Data/Email
Unlimited Text Messaging
Nation Wide Calling
Protection Plan for my phone
Two phone lines.
Total: Around $120-125 per month
ATT w/ 1 iPhone and one regular phone:
2000 Anytime Minutes
Unlimited Data/Email
Unlimited Text Messaging (not sure if this includes both lines)
Unlimited Mobile to Mobile
Unlimited Nights and Weekends
Nation Wide Calling
Total: $150
Hefty
Fair enough. With T-Mobile, VZW, and other AT&T plans, the iPhone data plan really kicks butt. Sprints got some good deals. Unfortunately, they're so good that it looks like you're stuck with them forever if $15/month is a huge deal.
Fair enough. With T-Mobile, VZW, and other AT&T plans, the iPhone data plan really kicks butt. Sprints got some good deals. Unfortunately, they're so good that it looks like you're stuck with them forever if $15/month is a huge deal.
Well that is what I am still debating... If the unlimited text messaging goes to both lines that makes it a little more reasonable as the person I share my line with will then split the cost. If it goes to only one line then I will have to pay the 20 for unlimited text messaging.
It'd only be 15/month if I was talking only data plans/text messaging plans, but if I take into account minutes and all that jazz it then makes a 25-30/month difference. That's a lot of dough. Heck I could get cable.
Oh what to do...
Many of you will try to play this down, but this is the main reason why I will not be buying an iphone. It is RE-DICK-U-LOUS that the iphone won't drop the web page and have the call come through. It's almost silly when you watch the commercials and they show a loaded web page or a loaded YouTube and THEN a call comes in. I'm sure they're not going to mention that if that call had come 10 seconds earlier it would have gone directly to voice mail. I have a Sidekick3 and use AIM and the internet often, and have never had a call go to voice mail because I was talking to a friend or surfing the web. It seems that if you buy it should should realize that it's either a phone or a device you can view the interwebs away from your house. I just don't understand how they could promote YouTube and the internet functionality of the iphone and have the PHONE play second fiddle to other applications. Apple fails.
You can make and rcv calls on while browsing via wifi. I've been on the web all night, watching quicktime videos, etc. While talking on the phone and listening to music.
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Right... I have a laptop (and I'd imagine most people who have bought an iphone already have one) so there's no intense need for wifi connectivity on my phone.
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Does the whole can't receive a phone call on EDGE network while sending data or receiving data remind any one of the days when you wanted internet. So you opened your computer. The internet started up. You heard the wondrous sounds of 56k dialing.
The next day at school (for me, business meetings/jobs for you others) I'd hear the words. I kept trying to call you but all I got was a busy signal. Were you on the internet?
Um, hello? Your SK3 uses a GPRS/EDGE network and is subject to the same rules as the iPhone. If someone tried to call you when your SK3 was sending or receiving data (which would only be when you were surfing, as it uses SMS mesages behind the scenes when you're IMing), the call would have gone to voice mail.
SideKick, iPhone, Wing, Dash, 8125, ... whatever device it is, if it uses GPRS/EDGE (or if it's a Sprint/Verizon device, if it uses 1X) for data, it will not receive a phone call when it's actively sending or receiving data.
I'm gonna miss Sprint's ability or any 3g carriers ability to let me talk on the phone while I send text messages and surf the internet....
I actually do this a lot.
I actually do this a lot.
My experience based on other gsm carriers (fido and rogers in Canada) is the network does the few rings before voicemail to keep the caller waiting a bit while the network waits to see if you temporarily stop transmitting data so it can grab the phone for a voice call.
Better than just dumping to vm right away, in my opinion. I hope this is also the case for AT&T - since in most situations it proved satisfactory on my edge bb and treo.
Better than just dumping to vm right away, in my opinion. I hope this is also the case for AT&T - since in most situations it proved satisfactory on my edge bb and treo.
Wrong.
When I'm surfing the internet it will interrupt and the call will come through. Keep in mind, I'm not even attempting to download the same size files that iphone promotes like full web pages and YouTubes. Do you realized that some of those may take up to 5 minutes to download on EDGE....which means you better not be waiting for a call while you're using the internet.
Don't get me wrong, this is a beautiful machine, but it fails at a few basic processes.
Yes, that's exactly how it works. EDGE is used for voice, so if you're already on the phone, you can't use EDGE to surf the web. The obverse is also true. However, and I know this from first-hand experience, you CAN use WiFi to surf the web and concurrently use EDGE to send/receive phone calls
Also, to answer the rest of your questions, it's a big resounding YES!!! You can do everything you asked, with the exception of the iPod functions (I've done it already
HawaiiMacAddict
EDGE is not used for voice, the GSM antenna is used for voice. EDGE is a data protocol. This phone isn't doing some kind of magical VOIP.
Most phones can't operate both chipsets (EDGE/GSM) at the same time, and this is why you can't surf and receive phone calls at the same time.
If the iPhone v2.0 has HSDPA instead of EDGE, you will be able to surf, i.e. use data and voice at the same time. This is because the protocols were written to support this.
You can be in an area without EDGE, and still make phone calls via the GSM radio - they are completely different chipsets in the phone. However, to answer your question, you can receive phone calls while data is streaming in, but that data link will be *broken* if you accept the call. So you can't do both at once, but the phone will give you the option of the two. In other words, you don't have to miss the call.
You may be able to surf the web using WiFI, and make phone calls at the same time. I have not tested this feature.
You can, but that doesn't do much for me. If you have WiFi available, then why wouldn't you just use your laptop?
codpet, that is all fine and dandy (BTW, both voice and data use the Antenna, Radio is the carrier for both EDGE data and voice ) but at the consumer level what they see is, if your phone is busy on EDGE sending/receiving data, phone calls will go to voice mail. That is quite a nasty shock to many people. It is a bloody phone first. Talk about the iPhone being great at doing exactly what you would expect. Yes, it does in most cases but fails this one miserably. Quite unfortunate.
I do not know much about the technical details of EDGE, but is it possible for the carrier to send something to the phone over the control channel to drop the data connection and then send the voice call over? I will be satisfied with such an arrangement.
I do not know much about the technical details of EDGE, but is it possible for the carrier to send something to the phone over the control channel to drop the data connection and then send the voice call over? I will be satisfied with such an arrangement.
I am saying the protocol allows for an interrupt, so that if you are receiving data, it can give you an option to accept the voice call and drop the data call. I do not know if they have this enabled on the iPhone. I am saying it is possible.
I do not know if they currently have that feature on though. So far, this operates in much the same way my EvDO/CDMA phone has, so I am not missing anything.
You will have to wait for iPhone v2.0 and HSDPA for what you are looking for.
Also, while both chipsets may use the same antenna, they are still different chipsets, and since they both use the same antenna, that further strengthens the reason why you can't have both data and voice at the same time.
Not true.
On TMobile Sidekick, if you are browsing and an incoming call comes in, you will be asked if you want to accept the call.
codpet, I do not need simultaneous voice and data but just the interruption of data by the incoming voice call. You say EDGE allows for that but the iPhone manual categorically puts the blame on EDGE itself and not on the iPhone implementation/chipset used. May be I am splitting hair here. Do you know if enabling is just a matter of software update or it requires a different chipset.
It can be done via a software update. It's not the fault of EDGE, or the chipset. You can even get near 3G speeds on EDGE if they wanted to upgrade the protocol via a software update to "EDGE Evo."
In other words, it can be enabled.
http://mobilesociety.typepad.com/mobile_life/edge/index.html
There are plenty of resources on the web about EDGE, how it works, what it supports, and what it can support.
My T-Mobile Sidekick plan has unlimited data and unlimited text messages for $19.95 per month.Fair enough. With T-Mobile, VZW, and other AT&T plans, the iPhone data plan really kicks butt. Sprints got some good deals. Unfortunately, they're so good that it looks like you're stuck with them forever if $15/month is a huge deal.
I am not sure where you are getting your prices, but I saved by switching to AT&T/Cingular from Sprint, and I get more.
I was paying $109.99/Mo for 1000 Minutes, no rollover, unlimited data, and no SMS/Texting.
I am now paying $79.99/Mo for 900 Minutes w/rollover, unlimited data, and 200 SMS/Texting/Mo.
Sprint/Verizon are the most costly wireless companies you can go with.
Cost, in order of higest to lowest:
Verizon
Sprint
AT&T/Cingular
T-Mobile
That's very odd as my plan that I have with Sprint is now around 3 years old. It starts at 100 with out any of the add-ons (text messaging, internet).
With the plans that are available today, there is not anything close to what you are paying. So either your plan is about 7 years old (as I signed up about 6 years ago and when I first signed up they have always been cheaper), or you got screwed over somewhere.
Wait a sec....who started making people think the iphone won't interrupt an EDGE session for an incoming call? That's completely bogus. I just tried it in both safari and youtube and BOTH of them were interrupted by an incoming call instantly (as soon as it started ringing on the other end).
The EDGE session is suspended for the duration of the call....the same thing happens on 1xEVDO on Sprint or Verizon, but only when they're in EVDO...if they're in 1X, the call in incapable of ringing through the data session.
The ONLY 3G network currently in use that can simultaneously support voice and data is UMTS.
The EDGE session is suspended for the duration of the call....the same thing happens on 1xEVDO on Sprint or Verizon, but only when they're in EVDO...if they're in 1X, the call in incapable of ringing through the data session.
The ONLY 3G network currently in use that can simultaneously support voice and data is UMTS.
Are you sure you weren't on WiFi?
I just started a YouTube on my iPhone (on EDGE) and called my iPhone number from my work phone, and it rang 4x and then went to voicemail. At no time did my iPhone display the incoming call.
I pressed the "HOME" button on the iPhone (to return to the main menu) and then called my iPhone from my work phone, and it rang.