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kapolani

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Feb 24, 2011
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You use high octane fuel with high performance vehicles to combat detonation.

Especially in force inducted cars. High compression cars gain from the increased octane because they can run higher compression. Heat increases so you need fuel that doesn't go bang before you want it to.
 

SidewaysTakumi

macrumors 6502a
Aug 5, 2010
793
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Picked up some Hella Horns for my Subaru at subimods.com
and a lip from HPTMotorsports.com

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b340/SidewaysTakumi/C5E53AD8-720D-4ECD-8D82-827CBEDBCBB3-5566-000003DEAD63C13A_zps6fe48d4f.jpg

Also picked up some new shoes.
This isn't my picture but I just LOVE this picture of these shoes. I couldn't take one as good so...

Nike FlyKnit Lunar 1

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b340/SidewaysTakumi/KGrHqVokFJF-jFtGBSZrIbt-60_57.jpg
 

MyiBill

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/"\/oo\/"\;18361261 said:
That's the thing though- the Cruze and Focus, particularly late models, are already so efficient with fuel consumption on regular that they stand no benefit from running on premium. And if the added cost of of simply putting premium into those cars was more than offset and the increased fuel economy that adam044 is claiming occurred, don't you think that Chevrolet or any other company would be advertising it as madly as their fuel consumption numbers?

Moving to cars that are designed for premium, you're absolutely right that they provide higher specific output when using premium, no argument there. However, with a car that's driven daily in a vaguely reasonable manner...what percentage of that power is being used at any given time? Or how often is something approaching peak power needed? If a car with 300hp doesn't exceed ~4000rpm on any given day and averages ~2700rpm for that day, how much of that power is needed? Looking around at dyno charts that measure the power output at any given RPM, it's probably around 100hp that's being output at 2700rpm. The 5% performance swing, either way it's applied, is negligible and would fall into the margin of error if it were measured on a dyno at the wheels. Add to that the motor doesn't need to work 5% harder to make up for the loss of power...and again the benefit just isn't there.

That all goes out the window when you start talking about performance exotica like the Z06 or GT500, where you want every last bit of power everywhere you can get it and everything needs to be turned up to 11. But for the average BMW, Lexus, whatever that mostly just putts around, the increase in performance from premium isn't being used, so why waste money to have the capability?


When it comes to a Cruze, Focus, Corolla, Civic, etc. they are bought because they are cheap and fuel efficient. If say Chevy were to start splitting there MPGs between regular and premium the average consumer is going to be confused and ask well why do I have to put high end gas in my $17k car I thought that was reserved for performance cars? I have used premium in all 3 of the cars I have had, 2 did not require it but my latest does. I felt that it added some MPG and power too and it only cost me $2-$3 more per fill-up so I figured why not. I feel that most people who by the average BMW, Lexus, Audi, Mercedes, etc. does so for three reasons: 1. brand status 2. performance 3. reliability. I know people will say that there not "reliable" but IMO there are more so than a Ford. If I just spent $40k plus on a new car I will want to treat it right and if I don't use the recommended premium gas, then I can damage my turbo or whatnot. Im not disagreeing with you on some points but I just feel its worth the extra couple bucks for the piece of mind and the little bit more power can be handy sometimes.:D
 

Big Stevie

macrumors 65816
Jun 20, 2012
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Panasonic TXP42GT60 42" plasma

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/"\/oo\/"\

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Jan 7, 2007
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When it comes to a Cruze, Focus, Corolla, Civic, etc. they are bought because they are cheap and fuel efficient. If say Chevy were to start splitting there MPGs between regular and premium the average consumer is going to be confused and ask well why do I have to put high end gas in my $17k car I thought that was reserved for performance cars? I have used premium in all 3 of the cars I have had, 2 did not require it but my latest does. I felt that it added some MPG and power too and it only cost me $2-$3 more per fill-up so I figured why not. I feel that most people who by the average BMW, Lexus, Audi, Mercedes, etc. does so for three reasons: 1. brand status 2. performance 3. reliability. I know people will say that there not "reliable" but IMO there are more so than a Ford. If I just spent $40k plus on a new car I will want to treat it right and if I don't use the recommended premium gas, then I can damage my turbo or whatnot. Im not disagreeing with you on some points but I just feel its worth the extra couple bucks for the piece of mind and the little bit more power can be handy sometimes.:D

On the Cruze example- what adam044 appears to be saying is that any car with a modern/contemporary ECU will return better mileage on premium to the point where it's financially beneficial. I can see where you think consumers would get confused, but if anyone (Chevrolet, Toyota, BMW, whoever) had a way to get an increase in fuel efficiency to the magnitude that adam044 is claiming, they would advertise it everywhere and make consumers knew that the higher cost of fuel didn't matter because they'd be using so much less of it.

After that are cars that only recommend premium for best performance, which I think we agree is pretty self explanatory. The difference between regular and premium in these cars is fairly marginal and using regular will never hurt anything. There are plenty of anecdotal stories either way here, but until someone shows me a repeatable study proving that premium is worth the price, literally all of the evidence says that premium isn't worth the cost increase.

The last category are the cars that require premium, mostly sports cars or motors with very high specific output. These motors either flat out don't work (for long) on regular or the ECU goes into safe mode, which drastically reduces power. I don't think that there's any argument for using regular in this category since they don't exactly work on regular :p

I understand the emotion of wanting to put the "best" gas in a car and that the additional cost for premium, which usually hovers around $200/year, isn't a big deal...if people want to spend money on something that makes them happy and gives them peace of mind, they should by all means do it. But when someone starts treating their emotional justification as an empirically proven fact, it's a problem.
 

MyiBill

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Feb 8, 2012
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/"\/oo\/"\;18363389 said:
On the Cruze example- what adam044 appears to be saying is that any car with a modern/contemporary ECU will return better mileage on premium to the point where it's financially beneficial. I can see where you think consumers would get confused, but if anyone (Chevrolet, Toyota, BMW, whoever) had a way to get an increase in fuel efficiency to the magnitude that adam044 is claiming, they would advertise it everywhere and make consumers knew that the higher cost of fuel didn't matter because they'd be using so much less of it.

After that are cars that only recommend premium for best performance, which I think we agree is pretty self explanatory. The difference between regular and premium in these cars is fairly marginal and using regular will never hurt anything. There are plenty of anecdotal stories either way here, but until someone shows me a repeatable study proving that premium is worth the price, literally all of the evidence says that premium isn't worth the cost increase.

The last category are the cars that require premium, mostly sports cars or motors with very high specific output. These motors either flat out don't work (for long) on regular or the ECU goes into safe mode, which drastically reduces power. I don't think that there's any argument for using regular in this category since they don't exactly work on regular :p

I understand the emotion of wanting to put the "best" gas in a car and that the additional cost for premium, which usually hovers around $200/year, isn't a big deal...if people want to spend money on something that makes them happy and gives them peace of mind, they should by all means do it. But when someone starts treating their emotional justification as an empirically proven fact, it's a problem.

Fair enough. Pretty much any car with a supercharger/turbo will require premium though. My friend had a cobalt ss supercharged and put regular gas in once and the supercharger no longer worked until all the regular gas was gone. I wouldn't want to risk it with my car.
 

M0esmac

macrumors 6502a
Apr 25, 2012
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UK
Also picked up some new shoes.
This isn't my picture but I just LOVE this picture of these shoes. I couldn't take one as good so...

Nike FlyKnit Lunar 1

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b340/SidewaysTakumi/KGrHqVokFJF-jFtGBSZrIbt-60_57.jpg


My Gawd. Goes at the top of my future purchase list, easily.
 

craigd

macrumors 6502
Jul 24, 2007
356
354
perth, AU
new iPad Air 32GB Wifi + Cellular

Also a Logitech thin folio case.

Loving them both.
 

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Jspring86

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Oct 7, 2011
442
3
Tempe, AZ
^ I also just ordered one, surprised Amazon has had them up this long! Glad I didn't go wait in line at Best Buy! Also, they have local delivery here in Phoenix, so I get it tomorrow!
 

Shrink

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Feb 26, 2011
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1,727
New England, USA

TWO2SEVEN

macrumors 68040
Jun 27, 2010
3,531
741
Plano, TX
Unless your little guy is extremely narrow, i'm assuming he's not going to sleep in the box.

So now you have to show us the crib after you put it together!:D

If I had to do it...it would take about a month...I'm sure you're handier than me.:eek:

Haha, let's hope so :)

My Dad and I are painting the room this weekend, then assembly will begin.

He isn't due until March, so I can take my time :)
 

Apple fanboy

macrumors Ivy Bridge
Feb 21, 2012
56,996
56,021
Behind the Lens, UK
Thank you!

And no guarantees :)

We had a second hand cot when our baby was young (we were poor back then). I remember it fell apart as she was getting a bit older. I had to go buy her first bed that weekend!
Some friends of mine had there toddler pull the bars out of his and escaped down the stairs. Fortunately he wasn't hurt but they did get a bit of a shock!

Enjoy those early years, they are very precious and go by so quickly. My girl will be 12 next week. Growing up so fast.
 

three

Cancelled
Jan 22, 2008
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Nothing too special (yet) but I purchased a Large ruled Moleskine for note taking and idea keeping.

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