was there a new keyboard or mouse released? i thought i read that somewhere, but cant find where i read it. thanks.
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Re: Re: A Step Backwards in Expandability
computergeeks.com has a dual drive enclosure, but even though it says it supports drives >120GB (I have two 120s in mine), they seem to have issues with a lot of the >120GB drives. I'm trying to get a new IBM/HGST 180GB 180gxp into the thing, with their tech support's help, so far, no luck. The speed from this thing is awesome (if I get my 180 working, and I get a G5, I'll be buying ANOTHER one to put my other two drives into, and FW all my old drives)
wiebetech (i think this is the spelling) also has a dual drive enclosure.
computergeeks.com has a dual drive enclosure, but even though it says it supports drives >120GB (I have two 120s in mine), they seem to have issues with a lot of the >120GB drives. I'm trying to get a new IBM/HGST 180GB 180gxp into the thing, with their tech support's help, so far, no luck. The speed from this thing is awesome (if I get my 180 working, and I get a G5, I'll be buying ANOTHER one to put my other two drives into, and FW all my old drives)
wiebetech (i think this is the spelling) also has a dual drive enclosure.
Originally posted by pianojoe
Well said.
And I already have 2 extra IDE drives in my QS 800 DP that I would like to pop into a G5 soon) . Well, one of them's connected to an ATA-133 PCI card anyway, so that's cool. But it doesn't look like I can squezze 2 extra HD in there...
Anybody know if there are external FW enclosures that hold more than one drive (kinda RAID I would guess)?
Re: Anyone see the new G3 on the Apple Store???
So, did you Photoshop that up yourself or find it on another rumor site?Originally posted by ELYXR
Anyone see the new G3 on the Apple Store???
Re: Re: Re: A Step Backwards in Expandability
I 100% agree! I'm absolutely thrilled about the possibilities of the G5, however, I love my internal storage (1 x 80, 3 x 160) and I like them divided like that...yes 2 x 250 would be abou the same, but I prefer seperate drives vs partitions for video/audio/photo, etc.
The optical drive....it's great that it's a 4x SuperDrive, however, I have grown attached to my high speed CDRW in addition to my SuperDrive.
The mesh front is growing on me!
I love my DP867, but I could really use the bandwidth.
Tim
Originally posted by LethalWolfe
YOU might not need more than 2 HDDs but other people do. When I saw that you could only add 1 extra HDD internally that made me go Hmmm... and brought a slight frown to my face. Because when you work w/video storing a/v files on the same HDD as your OS and apps is a big no no. So the new PM will only give me 1 internal HDD to store my media on. While not a huge deal it is a bit annoying because it will force people to use external storage. And currently NO FW HDDs are offically "supported" by Apple for FCP, although the vast majority of external FW dirve users have no problems.
Since Apple took away 1 optical bay and 2 HDD bays I wish they would have given us more FW I/O's to make up for it. Maybe 3 FW 400, and 2 FW800 or something.
I'm a bit dissapointed w/the expandiblity of the G5 right out of the box, but overall I am very excited about the new Mac as a whole.
Lethal
I 100% agree! I'm absolutely thrilled about the possibilities of the G5, however, I love my internal storage (1 x 80, 3 x 160) and I like them divided like that...yes 2 x 250 would be abou the same, but I prefer seperate drives vs partitions for video/audio/photo, etc.
The optical drive....it's great that it's a 4x SuperDrive, however, I have grown attached to my high speed CDRW in addition to my SuperDrive.
The mesh front is growing on me!
I love my DP867, but I could really use the bandwidth.
Tim
Dissapointed
The one rumored app that I was hoping for was not announced:
iGripe
Automatically logs you into dozens of mac forums and posts rants about what's missing from each new product. Works with Steve Job's personal .mac account iCal so that your mac always knows when he's given a keynote. Never visit a mac forum again just to let off some steam about that missing port or drive bay! Just think how much time that would save everyone.
The one rumored app that I was hoping for was not announced:
iGripe
Automatically logs you into dozens of mac forums and posts rants about what's missing from each new product. Works with Steve Job's personal .mac account iCal so that your mac always knows when he's given a keynote. Never visit a mac forum again just to let off some steam about that missing port or drive bay! Just think how much time that would save everyone.
i dont buy that its the fastest pc...... even though i love the G5 and i want one really badly... if you look at the benchmark test it compares it to a 3 ghz 533mhz bus dell... but it left out the 800hmz bus version that dell released a few months ago.... which is prob just as fast, not to mention not as expensive. I think apple needs to lower their prices to be competitive.
yep, that run cooler and probably quicker because of it.
I for one applaud them. They've built in more than enough connectors and switches, all running as high a speed as can be offered, and have given a way to have the highest amount of procesing power at a reduced audible volume. Give me that any day in a recording studio, and I'll be happy. Besides, I've got a bunch of drives in my old mac that I use all the time. I plan to keep them in my old mac and just tie it to the new machine over gigabit ethernet. I doubt I'll see much of any speed loss because of it, and I don't have to go to the trouble of drive settings, mount problems, backups failing, etc. I'll just use it because, like the rest of the things in there, it will magically "work".
And a 3.2 GHz P4 was released today. By December, they'll be at 3.6 or so, while the G5 will still be at 2GHZ. Closer, but until we see more independent benchmarks from running real programs, there's no way to know who's really ahead. What they need to do is get some dualies on the low end. There's no reason now why Macs shouldn't win on performance AND price, especially since the G5 costs them less than the G4.
It's been a long time since...
Without having read the 200+ other comments, I'll just spew my own thoughts. I loved when Phil Schiller mentioned he had been waiting a long time to do the PC vs. Mac tests again. Heh-heh, that was beautiful. Even better was they actually showed some other tests other than Photoshop. Even when being a die-hard Mac-head for many years, I was somewhat skeptical how fast the Mac was verses the PC when all the speed comparisons which were shown were just Photoshop tests. Great if you do a lot of PS, but what about the rest of us? The G5 seems like it is going to kick around the G4 like the G4 does to the G3 (so when IS the G3 going to be put to rest?)
Also that is good to see that they are aiming for 3 GHz in the next year, but unless they can continue that pace, they are just going to be late again, and the PCs will appear to be faster with faster processors (to push through that longer channel or whatever...)
All and all, the new G5 machines look sweet to no end and I want one! However, I have two reservations. Only the highest end configuration has dual processors (I would have preferred a slightly more affordable mid-range model). Sure, higher profit margin for Apple, but a much more empty wallet for the consumer. The second thing I don't like is that it looks like these new systems aren't configured internally like my Gigabit G4 (mid-2000) Powermac. I love how the motherboard and its cards and RAM are all on the door which just folds out. Very clean design. Simple. Elegant. Beautiful. And easy to maintain! I've worked with too many PCs to want to have to claw my way to the motherboard so I can put in some RAM or a new video card. Still, my current machine is almost at three years and it needs a new friend. I'd really like to wait another 6 months or so, but I don't think so anymore.
But on the bright side, the top-of-the-line model still sells for under $3000, which is good considering many of the past models sold for closer to $3200 or $3300. Plus the current low-end model is still 180 MHz faster (albeit only one processor) than yesterday's high-end model.
I'm still not sure what to think about Panther yet. Some cool features, especially Xcode (which will be a great benefit for me), but I think I'll just wait and get a new system instead of upgrading my current system.
Without having read the 200+ other comments, I'll just spew my own thoughts. I loved when Phil Schiller mentioned he had been waiting a long time to do the PC vs. Mac tests again. Heh-heh, that was beautiful. Even better was they actually showed some other tests other than Photoshop. Even when being a die-hard Mac-head for many years, I was somewhat skeptical how fast the Mac was verses the PC when all the speed comparisons which were shown were just Photoshop tests. Great if you do a lot of PS, but what about the rest of us? The G5 seems like it is going to kick around the G4 like the G4 does to the G3 (so when IS the G3 going to be put to rest?)
Also that is good to see that they are aiming for 3 GHz in the next year, but unless they can continue that pace, they are just going to be late again, and the PCs will appear to be faster with faster processors (to push through that longer channel or whatever...)
All and all, the new G5 machines look sweet to no end and I want one! However, I have two reservations. Only the highest end configuration has dual processors (I would have preferred a slightly more affordable mid-range model). Sure, higher profit margin for Apple, but a much more empty wallet for the consumer. The second thing I don't like is that it looks like these new systems aren't configured internally like my Gigabit G4 (mid-2000) Powermac. I love how the motherboard and its cards and RAM are all on the door which just folds out. Very clean design. Simple. Elegant. Beautiful. And easy to maintain! I've worked with too many PCs to want to have to claw my way to the motherboard so I can put in some RAM or a new video card. Still, my current machine is almost at three years and it needs a new friend.
I'd really like to wait another 6 months or so, but I don't think so anymore. But on the bright side, the top-of-the-line model still sells for under $3000, which is good considering many of the past models sold for closer to $3200 or $3300. Plus the current low-end model is still 180 MHz faster (albeit only one processor) than yesterday's high-end model.
I'm still not sure what to think about Panther yet. Some cool features, especially Xcode (which will be a great benefit for me), but I think I'll just wait and get a new system instead of upgrading my current system.
Re: Re: Re: Re: A Step Backwards in Expandability
Like I said before I'm a little dissapointed w/the limited internal expandibility, but overall I'm very excited about the new machines. The only reason I chimed on was because fef's blanket statement "you don't need more than 2 internal HDDs anymore" that implied no one needs more than 2 internal HDDs anymore. Which is not true. Most users might not need/want more than 2 internal HDDs but there are plenty of users who do. Like I said before, hopefully the next Rev will have more FW I/O's to make up for the limited internal expandibility.
What did anything I say in my last post have to do w/price and calling for a bargin basement G5? I was just saying that 1. Not all users needs will be met w/only 1 extra interal HDD (which fef implied), and 2. that I was a bit dissapointed w/the lack of more external I/O's to make up for the limted internal options.
As for the 3 PCI slots... If I wanted to replace both my computers (right now I have a mac and a pc) w/a current G5 I would need to fill 1 PCI slot w/more FW ports and another PCI slot w/more USB 2.0 ports. And if I needed exteranl SCSI drives to capture uncompressed (sense internal isn't really an option anymore) there goes my 3rd PCI slot. Which of course means I have no more PCI slots for my capture card. But all is not lost 'cause I guess I could buy a AJA Io which will let me capture uncomressed over FW400.
Now is this a common problem power users will run into (the PM is aimed at pros, not home users remeber)? No, probably not. But the G5 is running on the thin side of offering enough expansion. Of course on the flip side I think their internal case design is awesome, and hopefully it is as quiet as Apple says it is. I'm also hopping that w/the next Rev, or the next case, they will be able to expand on this design so more internal expansion is offered. No harm in wanting the best of both worlds is there?
I guess it's just a pet peeve of mine when people make blanket statements like "you don't need more internal HDDs", or "you'll never need more expansion than it offers", or other stuff like that. Most users probably won't, but some users wil. And telling the users that do need more than it offers that they don't, and will never, need more than it offers is pretty presumptions IMO. Did I mention it's a pet peeve?
Lethal
Like I said before I'm a little dissapointed w/the limited internal expandibility, but overall I'm very excited about the new machines. The only reason I chimed on was because fef's blanket statement "you don't need more than 2 internal HDDs anymore" that implied no one needs more than 2 internal HDDs anymore. Which is not true. Most users might not need/want more than 2 internal HDDs but there are plenty of users who do. Like I said before, hopefully the next Rev will have more FW I/O's to make up for the limited internal expandibility.
What did anything I say in my last post have to do w/price and calling for a bargin basement G5? I was just saying that 1. Not all users needs will be met w/only 1 extra interal HDD (which fef implied), and 2. that I was a bit dissapointed w/the lack of more external I/O's to make up for the limted internal options.
As for the 3 PCI slots... If I wanted to replace both my computers (right now I have a mac and a pc) w/a current G5 I would need to fill 1 PCI slot w/more FW ports and another PCI slot w/more USB 2.0 ports. And if I needed exteranl SCSI drives to capture uncompressed (sense internal isn't really an option anymore) there goes my 3rd PCI slot. Which of course means I have no more PCI slots for my capture card. But all is not lost 'cause I guess I could buy a AJA Io which will let me capture uncomressed over FW400.
Now is this a common problem power users will run into (the PM is aimed at pros, not home users remeber)? No, probably not. But the G5 is running on the thin side of offering enough expansion. Of course on the flip side I think their internal case design is awesome, and hopefully it is as quiet as Apple says it is. I'm also hopping that w/the next Rev, or the next case, they will be able to expand on this design so more internal expansion is offered. No harm in wanting the best of both worlds is there?
I guess it's just a pet peeve of mine when people make blanket statements like "you don't need more internal HDDs", or "you'll never need more expansion than it offers", or other stuff like that. Most users probably won't, but some users wil. And telling the users that do need more than it offers that they don't, and will never, need more than it offers is pretty presumptions IMO. Did I mention it's a pet peeve?
Lethal
Re: WHAT is the deal!!!!!
Repeat after me: Firewire and USB 2.0 have made the need for multiple internal disks obsolete...
C'mon people! How hard is it to buy a $50 Firewire enclosure and stick a second DVD-R drive in it? I have one attached to my PC right now that's even a cool metallic color that would perfectly match the new G5 case. Not only that, then you have a portable DVD burner that can easily be taken to your friends computer if necessary.
Repeat after me: Firewire and USB 2.0 have made the need for multiple internal disks obsolete...
Originally posted by Abstract
*puts the gun away*
For all of you looking at the specs of one or all of the new G5's who are feeling a bit disappointed: What's the problem? You haven't even used one of these machines yet. No complaints about speed until you've used one of these machines and it can't handle what you're trying to do, please.
All I can say is that the Matrix Reloaded trailer would play choppy on my Ti Powerbook, but silky smooth on a G5. And it wasn't even a 2GHz G5!
Re: Re: WHAT is the deal!!!!!
Let's not forget Serial ATA. The cables are thin, the distance limitation is almost one meter, and the drives are hot-swapable.
Let's not forget Serial ATA. The cables are thin, the distance limitation is almost one meter, and the drives are hot-swapable.
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