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iSight in store tomorrow [Tuesday]
According to the staff at the Valley Fair store in Santa Clara, CA, iSight is available in store tomorrow, Tuesday, the 24th.
According to the staff at the Valley Fair store in Santa Clara, CA, iSight is available in store tomorrow, Tuesday, the 24th.
Originally posted by ddtlm
Steradian:
Don't get too excited about SPEC scores. Notice Apple did not invite an Opteron?Thats cause Apple would have lost.
Isn't Opteron for SERVER clustering and not desktops? So far as I am aware, I have not heard any news or rumors about an Opteron chip being released in a standard desktop model. I am sure there are many other chips out there that could kick the "G5's" butt. How many are set for the desktop market?
Apple could be poised for an increase in market share IF they put the G5 in the imacs soon. If they keep with their past trend the average consumer models (imacs) a whole chip difference behind, don't expect any increase in market share. In this aspect, the G5 could actually HURT switchers who hear about the great, fast new macs but only need an imac. Then buy an imac only to find out it isn't as fast, etc. Even though they don't need the speed the whole Ghz myth (not so much a myth with the current imac line) will rear its ugly head.
Based on the pricing of the new models, I would think the imac line should be ripe for an update to the G5 as well. This makes the price difference is $200 between the low end G5 and the high end imac.
Top model is impressive, base model blows chunks...
Yes, the base model blows chunks.
Sad to say that they could have put DDR 400 memory in the base model as well, and the memory speed would have perfectly matched the FSB of 800 mhz. It's too bad they had to cripple it with DDR333 memory instead.
Also, can anyone answer me this about the high-end model: Does it actually have 4 banks of DDR400 memory, for a total memory bandwidth of 12.8GB/sec., or is it only 2 banks of DDR400 memory? The slides they showed during the WWDC keynote seemed to contradict each other.
This makes a big difference, because with 2ghz. total FSB on the Dual model, having only a paltry 800 mhz. FSB to memory doesn't really make a lot of sense.
Yes, the base model blows chunks.
Sad to say that they could have put DDR 400 memory in the base model as well, and the memory speed would have perfectly matched the FSB of 800 mhz. It's too bad they had to cripple it with DDR333 memory instead.
Also, can anyone answer me this about the high-end model: Does it actually have 4 banks of DDR400 memory, for a total memory bandwidth of 12.8GB/sec., or is it only 2 banks of DDR400 memory? The slides they showed during the WWDC keynote seemed to contradict each other.
This makes a big difference, because with 2ghz. total FSB on the Dual model, having only a paltry 800 mhz. FSB to memory doesn't really make a lot of sense.
a few more thoughts...
1. one optical drive is rediculous. One of the the main sticking points of my potential purchase of a powe mac was having 2 drives.
2. why only 2 hard drive bays? i dont care for external hd's, theyre too slow.
3. the 8 gigs if ram is great
4. i thought i saw a mention of panther for 30$ for jag owners, is that true?
thanks a lot.
ps. anyone know any good books on scripting?
1. one optical drive is rediculous. One of the the main sticking points of my potential purchase of a powe mac was having 2 drives.
2. why only 2 hard drive bays? i dont care for external hd's, theyre too slow.
3. the 8 gigs if ram is great
4. i thought i saw a mention of panther for 30$ for jag owners, is that true?
thanks a lot.
ps. anyone know any good books on scripting?
Re: 3 Ghz in 12 months . . .
To the Mac world this is a new concept, and I say "welcome to Moore's law". This is a great day...
No, because if you think about it, in the PC world, every 18 months your PC is twice as fast. This is nothing new to PC heads, you pretty much acknowledge that if you buy a 3 ghz. P4 right now, in 12 months they will be up to 4.5 or something like that.
To the Mac world this is a new concept, and I say "welcome to Moore's law". This is a great day...
Re: Top model is impressive, base model blows chunks...
The following is Directly from the architecture tab on the apple site.
400MHz dual-channel memory
The new Power Mac G5s memory controller supports fast 400MHz, 128-bit DDR SDRAM, and a dual-channel interface enables main memory to address two banks of SDRAM at a time, reading and writing on both the rising and falling edge of each clock cycle. This effectively doubles the bandwidth, enabling the Power Mac G5 to reach a maximum memory throughput of up to 6.4GB per second an advance thats especially welcome when youre working with enormous files. In addition, direct memory access (DMA) works with the point-to-point system controller to give each subsystem such as PCI cards and graphics processing units its own 6.4-GBps interface to main memory, without siphoning power from your processors.
Regards,
The following is Directly from the architecture tab on the apple site.
400MHz dual-channel memory
The new Power Mac G5s memory controller supports fast 400MHz, 128-bit DDR SDRAM, and a dual-channel interface enables main memory to address two banks of SDRAM at a time, reading and writing on both the rising and falling edge of each clock cycle. This effectively doubles the bandwidth, enabling the Power Mac G5 to reach a maximum memory throughput of up to 6.4GB per second an advance thats especially welcome when youre working with enormous files. In addition, direct memory access (DMA) works with the point-to-point system controller to give each subsystem such as PCI cards and graphics processing units its own 6.4-GBps interface to main memory, without siphoning power from your processors.
Regards,
Re: Re: A Step Backwards in Expandability
Oh, shut up.... just be happy with a kick ass machine....
we could have got a 1.6ghz G4 instead ??? you want that? noooooo
Oh, shut up.... just be happy with a kick ass machine....
we could have got a 1.6ghz G4 instead ??? you want that? noooooo
Also notice how Apple used GCC for both Intel and G5 benchmarks? Well, GCC is heavily optimized for the G5, but not optimized for Intel hardly at all. If you check the real SPEC scores for Intel (compiled with Intel's compiler), you'll see that Apple is handily beat by them.Originally posted by ddtlm
Steradian:
Don't get too excited about SPEC scores. Notice Apple did not invite an Opteron?
However, the "real-world" Altivec based apps scream on the Macs and the "real-world" demos were very impressive.
It's really just more Apple marketing spin. We'll show you the benchmarks the way they make us look best. Don't believe everything you see.
macnews:
illumin8:
Opterons compete with Xeons, and are intended as a workstation chip as well as a server chip.
illumin8:
You forget that there is 1-bit-in-9 overhead for the FSB. DDR 400 would have been too fast for the base model. All of the G5 systems have two banks of memory which work together to form a 128-bit interface, so the memory on the dual 2.0 is much slower than the combined FSB's.
I'm not a fan of the new case design
... mainly because it's not all that new. Not terribly innovative by any stretch. Looks like something out of an early 90's rack system. Maybe the G5 looks better up close, I don't know. Looking at it, I have this feeling that I've just been given a luscious steak dinner presented to me on a garbage can lid. I mean, all that innovation and total coolness inside that box!! I'm disappointed that they couldn't come up with a better case design than that -- and to throw away the hinged side just seems like a big backwards step. Based on the deafening silence in the room when they finally showed the photo of the new G5, I'm guessing I wasn't alone.
Do you think that perhaps this might be just the phase-one design, the way they did with the original beige G4? Perhaps another design is coming?
JMHO, please don't shoot me.
... mainly because it's not all that new. Not terribly innovative by any stretch. Looks like something out of an early 90's rack system. Maybe the G5 looks better up close, I don't know. Looking at it, I have this feeling that I've just been given a luscious steak dinner presented to me on a garbage can lid. I mean, all that innovation and total coolness inside that box!! I'm disappointed that they couldn't come up with a better case design than that -- and to throw away the hinged side just seems like a big backwards step. Based on the deafening silence in the room when they finally showed the photo of the new G5, I'm guessing I wasn't alone.
Do you think that perhaps this might be just the phase-one design, the way they did with the original beige G4? Perhaps another design is coming?
JMHO, please don't shoot me.
Re: I'm not a fan of the new case design
I really think the fugliness of the new case is because Steve probably told Ives to focus more on the technical details (quiet design, maximizing space, etc.) than the aesthetics of the case.Originally posted by macgraphicgirl
... mainly because it's not all that new. Not terribly innovative by any stretch. Looks like something out of an early 90's rack system. Maybe the G5 looks better up close, I don't know. Looking at it, I have this feeling that I've just been given a luscious steak dinner presented to me on a garbage can lid. I mean, all that innovation and total coolness inside that box!! I'm disappointed that they couldn't come up with a better case design than that -- and to throw away the hinged side just seems like a big backwards step. Based on the deafening silence in the room when they finally showed the photo of the new G5, I'm guessing I wasn't alone.
Do you think that perhaps this might be just the phase-one design, the way they did with the original beige G4? Perhaps another design is coming?
JMHO, please don't shoot me.
I agree on every point you made. I also think they should have more PCI/PCI-X slots. This is a pro system. Don't get me wrong. I'm very impressed by the G5 specs.
As for the Panther discount, I'd be very excited if this is true, but I have no idea. If it was true, I think Steve would have mentioned it, but not necessarily.
I'm very relieved that apple have finally come out with something competitive with the wintel platform. But $1999 for the 1.6GHz version with an nVidia fx5200 (and no monitor of course), what a joke. For 2k you can get a fully tricked out PC with an aluminium case, nice flat panel and top end video card. There's no way you're going to get people swapping platforms with those prices. The PPC970 chip is a great chance for apple to take a lot of market share, but with prices like that, there's no chance.
Apple needs to bring out a cheaper consumer line based on the 970 chip fast, IMHO. I don't doubt these new machines are just what creative professionals are after, and I'm not suggesting apple bring their prices fully in line with PCs, but I think the gap needs to be closed a little.
Oh, and am I the only one who thinks Steve Jobs is getting a little freaky - No one else was allowed to reveal any hard news - even the IBM guy had to leave it to Jobs to announce the 3GHz on 1 year factlet. Plus, a huge amout of horrific ass kissing, and......having Al Gore on was a big mistake, the guy is a village idiot and having him show up just proved what a worrying decision it was to put him on the board. having said that, there's no question Jobs is a polished performer, very slick indeed.
Apple needs to bring out a cheaper consumer line based on the 970 chip fast, IMHO. I don't doubt these new machines are just what creative professionals are after, and I'm not suggesting apple bring their prices fully in line with PCs, but I think the gap needs to be closed a little.
Oh, and am I the only one who thinks Steve Jobs is getting a little freaky - No one else was allowed to reveal any hard news - even the IBM guy had to leave it to Jobs to announce the 3GHz on 1 year factlet. Plus, a huge amout of horrific ass kissing, and......having Al Gore on was a big mistake, the guy is a village idiot and having him show up just proved what a worrying decision it was to put him on the board. having said that, there's no question Jobs is a polished performer, very slick indeed.
Cheap and greedy...
What do you guys think is the absolute earliest that a G5 iMac will be released? Will it be a while so as not to cannibalize the base model's sales?
Oh, and Panther will cost $129 for Jaguar users. The $29 you seem to remember will be the cost of av iChat after December 31.
What do you guys think is the absolute earliest that a G5 iMac will be released? Will it be a while so as not to cannibalize the base model's sales?
Oh, and Panther will cost $129 for Jaguar users. The $29 you seem to remember will be the cost of av iChat after December 31.
Originally posted by hacurio1
I was there too!!! It was awesome
BTW, I thought that early September was the date they were expecting machines available at that store, not the date they will be shipping. I could be wrong though!
I was there three!
place was full!Go watch the keynote again they did do a comparison between a SINGLE 2ghz G5 against t a Single 3Ghz P4. it was when they were going through the benchmark graphs. Maybe if you paid a little attention you might of heard it.
*puts the gun away*
For all of you looking at the specs of one or all of the new G5's who are feeling a bit disappointed: What's the problem? You haven't even used one of these machines yet. No complaints about speed until you've used one of these machines and it can't handle what you're trying to do, please.
For all of you looking at the specs of one or all of the new G5's who are feeling a bit disappointed: What's the problem? You haven't even used one of these machines yet. No complaints about speed until you've used one of these machines and it can't handle what you're trying to do, please.
It's not a vent mate you have shown us, it's a huge-a a$$ahol-a blowin' out gas.
These comments are absurd. They belong on the ZD Net forum- which is no supporter of Apple. Speaking of which, ZD Net has posted two Wintel articles today, one about P4s (now that's excitement!!!!) and the other about a Microsoft pathway. Who cares??
Nothing about WWDC.
Re: Cheap and greedy...
That's a very good question. Apple may try to keep G4's in iMac to differentiate the towers for a while. If they do though, they could put the 1.25 and 1.42 G4's into the iMacs (assuming they aren't too hot). I hope they sell G5 iMacs by year's end (maybe for Christmas?). The iMacs didn't have a G4 nearly as long as the towers, though.
So get a second drive. Firewire or USB 2.0, your choice.
Okay. How many PCI-X cards are you planning on using? This is a serious question. I mean, what exactly do you have in mind that requires the use of more than three empty slots?
And these are real questions.
How many people really need more than one optical drive? Or more than three empty PCI-X slots, on a system with Firewire 800, Airport, etc, built in? As a percentage? And of that percentage, how many of them a) only need two, and not fifty. And of the remaining, how many of them won't be happy with an external drive? What sacrifices in airflow (ie: noise, heat), et cetera, should Apple have made to make these few people happy?
If I'm missing some common use for dual internal-only burners and 4 or 5 PCI cards, please tell me. If not .. then are people really just looking for something, anything, to whine about? On a day like today, say it ain't so.
-Richard
Fact is, there are always shipments of boxes being delivered to the Apple stores. It's just that nobody seems to pay any attention to them until a few weeks before an event. I think people add the part about "do not open until xx/xx/xx" because they didn't get enough attention as a child.
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