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I'm going to Florida next week. can I buy an ATV and use back in the UK, what is the power supply like, is it custom to the ATV and does the unit detect correct voltage etc?

Still miffed that is is still £50 cheaper in the US, Apple missed a chance here, £199 and they would have flown off the shelves, (well ambled off!)


Ta
 
Ideally Apple would turn the :apple:TV into a full home media centre with;
1. A larger (500 gig min) hard drive
2. Add a blu-ray drive
3. Add a Safari browser optimised for viewing the internet on TV
4. Built in 7.1 surround decoder card (could be a second, optional, box).
5. SD card slot
6. USB / Firewire ports for video camera input
7. Wireless keyboard / mouse / games controller
8. Access to an :apple:TV specific App Store for games to play on the device.
9. Ability to add sub-boxes in different rooms of your house, accessing the :apple:TV wirelessly for content. The :apple:TV would need the ability to stream maybe 4 streams of content.

Ideally they would also include a Digital TV tuner, but given that there are different standards, modulation schemes, encoding profiles, etc, all around the world, it would be difficult to implement a universal tuner. Hence, I agree, that this is one feature that will never happen.

But, could Apple implement Tivo type functionality better than Tivo? Possibly. I would suspect that Apple would define an interconnect format and APIs and leave it to set top box manufacturers to provide connectivity accordingly.

Then, there's the ultimate :apple:TV. Combine a 42 inch cinema display with :apple:TV.

Phil
 
Here's an alternative view... :)
The Tivo is today's equivalent of the mixed tape of a couple of decades ago. Let it go. :p The idea of recording content that's blasting down a pipe at a time chosen by the source is so archaic, I can't believe Apple enthusiasts are actually in favour of such a distribution model. :confused:

I can appreciate your point of view. Again though, dismissing the DVR idea because it is old tech makes sense when old tech is actually on its way out. The fact is that we (almost) all still have television being pumped into our homes in one way or another (cable, satt, etc) and that is likely to continue for a long time. We already pay for that content and the law allows us to record that content for personal enjoyment at a later date.

I would much rather the distribution model be more along the lines of how you envision it. But it is not that way. And it probably won't be that way for a long time- if ever; there's simply too much money in it as is for the entities that largely control the pipes so one way or another- they will get theirs.

Give me on-demand, top-quality content at reasonable prices so I get exactly what I want, when I want it, where I want it, on the device I want to view it on, and that's the future. That's where Apple is right now with music and that's where I hope Apple is going with video next! :eek:

Again your vision is excellent. However, Apple is far from that vision right now. Because they lack a lot of content availability, the "on demand" piece fails unless a person is happy with the limited offerings that are available now.

Because Apple chooses to limit the quality of the content to handicapped 720p at best when there is an awful lot of the same content available at higher resolutions and higher bitrates, means we can't get "top quality" now from Apple's system. And if by "top quality" you mean quality of the programming (NOT quality of the audio/video), Apple fails there as well because a lot of highly-rated content is NOT available from iTunes.

Lastly, do you actually think Apple's pricing for programming via iTunes is "reasonable prices"? If so, you appear to be in a minority. In a good number of situations, it is cheaper to buy the same programming on DVD or BD than to buy the iTunes (more compressed) versions. And again, if a person doesn't mind the commercials, or doesn't mind editing the commercials out, a great deal of most popular network programming can be had for "free" via over the air- free being the most "reasonable price" of all. Options like netflix delivers a lot of catalog content for much less than renting or buying individual movies via iTunes. Etc.

Now, I'm a huge Apple fan and I own an :apple:TV AND I completely appreciate your stated vision of how things could/should be. But I also argue that Apple is far from that vision now (and they are not alone), and it also seems unlikely that sticking to their guns as they continue to do with a tired hardware platform and a "buy it all from iTunes only" distribution concept will result in us ever getting to fully realize your stated vision.

The best shot at getting there would be to build a next-gen :apple:TV with the features that BUYERS want to buy (whatever they are), get an :apple:TV in every home, then phase out the "archaic options" as those lose favor with the customer base over time. If :apple:TV was in every home, content providers would want every bit of video ever created available in iTunes (that would cover everyones "on demand" needs), competition (and ROIs on such a massive amount of cheap distribution) would pressure content providers to compete on (lower) prices, and higher qualities (that would cover "reasonable prices" and "top quality").

There would still be issues to overcome. For example, those in control of the pipes that deliver such content- generally the cable & communications industry who compete with similar content- might simply raise prices of broadband delivery to make up for falling television subscription revenues. But nevertheless, only by getting massive adoption of a next-gen :apple:TV does it seem favorable that the vision- as stated- could be realized (for everyone). In your case, that vision may be realized now with things as is, but there seems to be plenty of people commenting in this thread that are looking for more from Apple & :apple:TV.

Give people what they want, and people will buy a lot of what you're selling. Give people what you want them to want, and people may buy a lot if you guessed their needs exactly right, but will probably buy less since you're not hitting their target. Guess wrong and wait for buyers to come around to the company way of thinking and you generally end up with very slow market penetration. Which of these seems the closest match to :apple:TV "as is"?
 
Ideally Apple would turn the :apple:TV into a full home media centre with;
1. A larger (500 gig min) hard drive
2. Add a blu-ray drive
3. Add a Safari browser optimised for viewing the internet on TV
4. Built in 7.1 surround decoder card (could be a second, optional, box).
5. SD card slot
6. USB / Firewire ports for video camera input
7. Wireless keyboard / mouse / games controller
8. Access to an :apple:TV specific App Store for games to play on the device.
9. Ability to add sub-boxes in different rooms of your house, accessing the :apple:TV wirelessly for content. The :apple:TV would need the ability to stream maybe 4 streams of content.

Ideally they would also include a Digital TV tuner, but given that there are different standards, modulation schemes, encoding profiles, etc, all around the world, it would be difficult to implement a universal tuner. Hence, I agree, that this is one feature that will never happen.

But, could Apple implement Tivo type functionality better than Tivo? Possibly. I would suspect that Apple would define an interconnect format and APIs and leave it to set top box manufacturers to provide connectivity accordingly.

Then, there's the ultimate :apple:TV. Combine a 42 inch cinema display with :apple:TV.

Phil

I would not buy said box, as it is completely overkill for what I need. Take out #1 and replace it with a small SSD for OS/streaming buffer/apps, #2, #4 (why would you want this?), #5 (I have iPhoto/Aperture for photos... and my cameras use CF anyways), #6, and make #9 a piece of software that runs on a central network point (Airport, base iMac, etc) -- then I might be happy.

I'd also really like a smaller LCD with an AppleTV built-in for bedrooms/kids rooms/etc, but I'm content with buying them seperately.
 
Ideally they would also include a Digital TV tuner, but given that there are different standards, modulation schemes, encoding profiles, etc, all around the world, it would be difficult to implement a universal tuner. Hence, I agree, that this is one feature that will never happen.

You shared a lot of interesting ideas for a next-gen :apple:TV. This one (quoted) keeps coming up as a bona-fide challenge. Rather than dismissing it though, it could be simply addressed by leaving a slot space open in which individual country tuners could be added into the system, much like turning a Mac computer into a TV by adding a small USB-based solution from Elgato. The computer was NOT a TV in any way before plugging in the Elgato. But after it becomes a TV, DVR, etc.

Within a next-gen :apple:TV this could be set up like a card slot in a Mac Pro (some internal space to accommodate the tuner device). Device makers could build the end so that it flushes very nicely with the back of the :apple:TV, resulting in something that looks like it was meant to be there (blending in with the other connections on the back of the box- just like a computer card does in the back of a Mac Pro).

Apple then ends up with a tuner-optional device, leaving the implementation of the various world standards for television tuners to other companies (like Elgato). Apple doesn't have to build multiple versions of :apple:TV in support of all of these standards, because they've isolated the unique functionality into an optional plug-in device. For those that don't want :apple:TV to become a tuner and/or DVR, they simply don't buy that plug in. And since the next-gen ships without the added cost of a built-in tuner, this solution shouldn't involve much of a pricing change (probably manifested as simple as having a USB port inside the :apple:TV box, acting as the card connector).

Doing this would be easy for Apple. BUT, it would involve Apple opening up the next-gen :apple:TV to outside development. They’ve shown that they can do this with all of the rest of their principal hardware offerings, so why not :apple:TV? And if they go there, then it's easy to envision other discrete wishes like (optional) BD player, (optional) iSight camera, (optional) mass storage, etc being fulfilled through the same basic "open" options.

This idea highlights one of the things- perhaps the biggest thing- working against the mainstream appeal of :apple:TV. It is such a "closed" system. It has a USB port that hackers show can be used for much larger storage, but Apple doesn't allow it to be a "normal" USB port such that hacks would not be required. My guts say the processor is too weak to support unlocking that USB such that other options like Elgato, BD add on, etc could be implemented with the existing platform. But the point is, if Apple doesn't really care to do much with their "hobby" right now, why not open it up and see where others might take it? Let the Elgatos of the world take the risk and prove that demand for tuners in :apple:TV is sufficiently high enough to consider building it into a future generation. It's hard to picture how Apple could lose via this kind of thinking.
 
The Tivo is today's equivalent of the mixed tape of a couple of decades ago. Let it go. :p The idea of recording content that's blasting down a pipe at a time chosen by the source is so archaic, I can't believe Apple enthusiasts are actually in favour of such a distribution model. :confused:

Give me on-demand, top-quality content at reasonable prices so I get exactly what I want, when I want it, where I want it, on the device I want to view it on, and that's the future. That's where Apple is right now with music and that's where I hope Apple is going with video next! :eek:

The mix tape was great for its time and technology; TiVo is still great for its. Wonder if you have one or have really seen how it works?

TiVo season passes for a program provide exactly what you suggest above, set it up once and you're done. There's even smart passes to record anything with your favorite actor or keyword. Every episode of the show is recorded when it is broadcast, and I can watch it on demand whenever I want. I'm never tied to the "source's choice" of time, I can watch Jon Stewart when he comes on at 10pm, or an hour later, the next morning, or the entire previous week's episodes on Saturday. There is freeware as well as official software to automatically convert TiVo to iTunes format, so I can and do occasionally copy a recorded program to my iPhone.

For the present time I'd much rather have a fixed monthly cable bill + a TiVo bill and let the TiVo do all the work of grabbing any or all episodes of any show I want on any of dozens of channels for me to watch at my leisure. With TiVo nobody in my family cares what time or day their favorite show is on...when they want to watch it they just watch it (well, I do watch LOST "live" because I'm a junkie). I don't think my kids have a concept that shows actually air on a certain schedule, they just watch the latest Zack & Cody or Mythbusters off the Tivo.

Paying à la carte for each individual episode or season via the iTunes model would surely add up to more than what I'm currently paying for my mix-tape model...and I don't want a Zack & Cody or Mythbusters bill. I'll be interested when there's a model with a fixed monthly fee for a certain number of shows/episodes/GB of downloads that is price competitive with cable+TiVo, and has a user interface as intuitive as TiVo. Apple could do this with an updated paradigm for :apple:TV that would be functionally indistinguishable from the way TiVo works now, but instead of "recording" the show when it airs, it would "download" the show when available.

What's the difference, really?
 
$229 = £219 my arse.

Ridiculous. A PS3 Slim costs £239. Apple really do not want to sell any of these in Europe.
 
It seems to me that a lot of the ATV wish lists incorporate some ability to deal with non-iTunes video files. Not gonna happen folks. All "user ripped" video content exists in violation of the DMCA (unlike the gigs of ripped audio CDs, which Apple actively and legally encourages).

Due to Apple's position as software & hardware manufacturer, as well as conduit for film & TV studio products, it is not going to do anything to jeopardize that relationship by encouraging use of home ripped video created in violation of the DMCA on ATV. (How Handbrake has survived to date is a mystery)

DEATH TO THE DMCA. Write your congressman and lets get this stupid law changd.

This is one of the primary reasons why AppleTV has not been a big hit - Apple can't advertise the best, most helpful use for it. Anyone who has an AppleTV will tell you that what makes it amazing is the fact that you can take all the many DVDs you own or rent from Netflix, rip and convert them via Handbrake, and then have them ready to watch with a push of a button, never having to deal with the physical DVDs again. If you have a lot of DVDs, or have kids who like to watch a lot of movies, this is an amazing feature. But unfortunately, because of legal restrictions, Apple can't market this use of their product. But everyone who has seen my AppleTVs is blown away by them.

It seems that everyone on here complaining about features that AppleTV is missing doesn't own an AppleTV and wants it to be something that it is not. While many of those features would be nice, ask those of us who have AppleTVs and we will tell you that it is a great product for watching all your DVDs or those you rent (with the movie posters visible on screen), viewing all your photos on a big screen (with music), listening to all your music (with album covers on screen), as well as YouTube, podcasts, etc. And you get all this for right around $200 in a product that is incredibly easy to install and operate and with a very intuitive user interface. The alternatives people propose on here, simply don't match the ease of installation and operation. Before I bought my AppleTVs I was looking for a product that could enable me to digitize all my DVDs so that I wouldn't have to deal with the physical DVDs anymore. The only solution at that time that seemed to do what I wanted was the Kalaeidescope system, which costs $20K. Then the AppleTV was released, doing basically everything I wanted for $200. Sure, it could do more, but what it does now is pretty fantastic.
 
This is one of the primary reasons why AppleTV has not been a big hit - Apple can't advertise the best, most helpful use for it. Anyone who has an AppleTV will tell you that what makes it amazing is the fact that you can take all the many DVDs you own or rent from Netflix, rip and convert them via Handbrake, and then have them ready to watch with a push of a button, never having to deal with the physical DVDs again. If you have a lot of DVDs, or have kids who like to watch a lot of movies, this is an amazing feature. But unfortunately, because of legal restrictions, Apple can't market this use of their product. But everyone who has seen my AppleTVs is blown away by them.

This is the exact reason we have things like the DMCA.
 
I tried to rip my DVD collection a few months back but there were some discs that would just not play ball. I'd really like to rip them all like I rip my CD's to iTunes and then put all the DVD's up in the attic. I'm in the UK so luckily don't have to care about the DMCA (Yet....)

RealDVD was looking promising but then the legals got involved and it's been shelved.

Tempted again by an AppleTV now the price has gone down but then are they clearing the stock to make room for AppleTV 2.0?
 
This is one of the primary reasons why AppleTV has not been a big hit - Apple can't advertise the best, most helpful use for it. Anyone who has an AppleTV will tell you that what makes it amazing is the fact that you can take all the many DVDs you own or rent from Netflix, rip and convert them via Handbrake, and then have them ready to watch with a push of a button, never having to deal with the physical DVDs again. If you have a lot of DVDs, or have kids who like to watch a lot of movies, this is an amazing feature. But unfortunately, because of legal restrictions, Apple can't market this use of their product. But everyone who has seen my AppleTVs is blown away by them.

It seems that everyone on here complaining about features that AppleTV is missing doesn't own an AppleTV and wants it to be something that it is not. While many of those features would be nice, ask those of us who have AppleTVs and we will tell you that it is a great product for watching all your DVDs or those you rent (with the movie posters visible on screen), viewing all your photos on a big screen (with music), listening to all your music (with album covers on screen), as well as YouTube, podcasts, etc. And you get all this for right around $200 in a product that is incredibly easy to install and operate and with a very intuitive user interface. The alternatives people propose on here, simply don't match the ease of installation and operation. Before I bought my AppleTVs I was looking for a product that could enable me to digitize all my DVDs so that I wouldn't have to deal with the physical DVDs anymore. The only solution at that time that seemed to do what I wanted was the Kalaeidescope system, which costs $20K. Then the AppleTV was released, doing basically everything I wanted for $200. Sure, it could do more, but what it does now is pretty fantastic.

by the time you rip a DVD to look good on a good sized TV you're using as much hard drive space where it makes sense to just play the disc.
 
by the time you rip a DVD to look good on a good sized TV you're using as much hard drive space where it makes sense to just play the disc.

How much space is that? I rip using Apple Universal, the files come out to about 1-1.5 gig on average, and you'd be hard pressed to see a difference from the DVD on my 61" screen.
 
by the time you rip a DVD to look good on a good sized TV you're using as much hard drive space where it makes sense to just play the disc.

Storage is cheap my friend. I just bought a 1TB hard drive from Fry's for $99 and hooked it up to my :apple:TV mini running ATV4Mac. So far it contains:

  • All my family's home videos from our wedding 15 years ago through the present day (2 1/2 days worth of content)
  • Every episode of the Brady Bunch, Curb Your Enthusiasm, Heroes, It's Garry Shandling's Show, LOST, The Office, Seinfeld, Star Trek Original Series Remastered, Schoolhouse Rock
  • 292 Handbraked movies (many I own on DVD, many from my Blockbuster Online subscription...a little sheepish about those but I figure as long as I continue to pay the monthly subscription I could go to Blockbuster and get the disc in my hands at no cost, so I've just timeshifted it and allowed Blockbuster to rent the disc to someone else). Most are kids movies and not ripped at the highest possible quality, but absolutely watchable without distracting artifacts, roughly 1GB each.
  • My entire iTunes Music Library of over 15,000 songs and 1,000 music videos (all legit)
  • Nearly 10,000 family photos
  • 1 movie I just rented this morning from iTunes
Still have over 300GB to spare, in any easy to use intuitive interface that the kids can manage and the wife loves, with an automatic content backup as a bonus. I'm pretty sure in a few years when it's full I can upgrade to a 5 or 10 TB drive for another $99. Why would I want to mess around with all those discs?
 
by the time you rip a DVD to look good on a good sized TV you're using as much hard drive space where it makes sense to just play the disc.

The size ratio is more like 4 or 5 to 1 between the m4v file and the ts_video folder. Plus, I can select any of my movies from the Apple TV's menu and not have to retrieve it, insert it into the DVD player, wait for it to spin up and be mounted, scroll through all the trailers, etc.
 
yes you can

I'm going to Florida next week. can I buy an ATV and use back in the UK, what is the power supply like, is it custom to the ATV and does the unit detect correct voltage etc?

Still miffed that is is still £50 cheaper in the US, Apple missed a chance here, £199 and they would have flown off the shelves, (well ambled off!)


Ta

Most of my Apple gear has come from the States (entirely due to cost / last visit exchange was 1.88) and I either use adapter plug with no problems (as is the case with ATV) or pick up UK cable with no probs so far.
 
LOL - what a surprise, ATV now £219 in the UK store, not £195 which was the old price of the 40gb model... Yet again, the UK apple store seems to run a different planet that the US store... This is really gonna encourage people to buy it, idiots :(

I wouldn't mind if they gave you something really cool, like better hardware, or even, god forbid.... better software!!!! (are you listening apple???)
 
So do we think there's a 250/500GB etc ATV on the way or a whole new model and Apple is trying to clear stock?
 
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