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chef_pooh

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@GILLEE90 I think Intel's Thunderbolt controller isn't actually Thunderbolt compliant. Your motherboard uses the same controller (Intel JHL8540) as mine, and it also won't negotiate a resolution higher than 5k60 10 bit. Unless Intel pushes out new firmware, you'll need a workaround to get 6k working (e.g. the VR cable you mentioned).
 

GILLEE90

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Jan 18, 2023
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@GILLEE90 I think Intel's Thunderbolt controller isn't actually Thunderbolt compliant. Your motherboard uses the same controller (Intel JHL8540) as mine, and it also won't negotiate a resolution higher than 5k60 10 bit. Unless Intel pushes out new firmware, you'll need a workaround to get 6k working (e.g. the VR cable you mentioned).
hello. thank you for the reply. good thing i have VR cable and it works perfectly, i just wanted to simplified my setup since Belkin cable it too long and bulky. So things ended up i trashed some money upgrading the motherboard :) ....
 

GILLEE90

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Jan 18, 2023
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@GILLEE90 I think Intel's Thunderbolt controller isn't actually Thunderbolt compliant. Your motherboard uses the same controller (Intel JHL8540) as mine, and it also won't negotiate a resolution higher than 5k60 10 bit. Unless Intel pushes out new firmware, you'll need a workaround to get 6k working (e.g. the VR cable you mentioned).
update: i connected XDR display through OWC TB4 hub this time, somehow it was connected in 6k 10bit HDR. i don't understand what have changed inside but pretty happy with the result. note that this worked without Belkin cable, just GPU(4090fe -> MB(z690i unify) miniDP input -> OWC hub(TB4) ->XDR display

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hub that i'm using is https://www.owc.com/solutions/thunderbolt-hub

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hello. thank you for the reply. good thing i have VR cable and it works perfectly, i just wanted to simplified my setup since Belkin cable it too long and bulky. So things ended up i trashed some money upgrading the motherboard :) ....
You have two other options:

1) Wacom Link Plus adapter, a little less mess with it, but too many cables;
2) Dell/Sunix M0W58 / UPD2018 PCI-E USB-C + DisplayPort add in card - two cables total.
 

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update: i connected XDR display through OWC TB4 hub this time, somehow it was connected in 6k 10bit HDR. i don't understand what have changed inside but pretty happy with the result. note that this worked without Belkin cable, just GPU(4090fe -> MB(z690i unify) miniDP input -> OWC hub(TB4) ->XDR display

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hub that i'm using is https://www.owc.com/solutions/thunderbolt-hub

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How many DP cables you use in this case? It's really interesting, that it allows you full 6K through TB port.
 

GILLEE90

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How many DP cables you use in this case? It's really interesting, that it allows you full 6K through TB port.
Single Dp to minidp cable that came with the MB. Me either don’t understand how it works.
 

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chef_pooh

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Wow, super interesting, I'll have to buy this and see if it works with the Asus ProArt. I should still be within the return window of my CalDigit.
 

GILLEE90

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Wow, super interesting, I'll have to buy this and see if it works with the Asus ProArt. I should still be within the return window of my CalDigit.
It returned to 5k tesolution after the reboot(and windows update). 🥲 i’m tryinf several tests.
 

wago

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Aug 3, 2014
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Hey Folks, I've been using the Belkin VR cable for awhile now. No problems really but it is a long cable, and I've had to be really careful with signal integrity through the KVM switch and to the other computers. I stumbled on a new cable on Amazon and decided to test it out. Good news: works great, it's cheap, and ships fast. I'm running stable at 6k with full brightness/etc controls via USB.

The cable made by "WJESOG" is on Amazon here for US$30. Make sure you get the "DP to USB-C" version.

If folks are hunting for a decent KVM switch, I've moved from my older StarTech DP1.2 2-port to the Monoprice Blackbird (also on Amazon for US$140 as of this writing) DP1.4 4-port. The video signal has been solid so far, but the USB HID emulation leaves a lot to be desired ... ended up with the keyboard and mouse on the non-HID ports to make everything work properly. Nothing is perfect in the KVM switch market, but it's good enough for now.

This is on a 2019 Mac Pro, AMD Radeon Pro W5700X GPU.

AGDCDiagnose output:
Code:
Stream@0 FB0    DICT    13
Stream ID    0
Is Enabled    YES
Is DPMS Off    NO
Change Flags    0
Option Flags    0
Sink Address    4.0
HW Src Viewport    6016x3384 @ {0,0}
HW Dst Viewport    6016x3384 @ {0,0}

Timing FB0    DICT    24
Display Mode    8000500f
Refresh Rate (Calculated)    60 Hz
Refresh Rate (Stored)    0.0 Hz
Window (Active)    6016 x 3384
Window (Scaled)    0 x 0
Scaled Inset    0 x 0
Pixel Clock    1286010000 Hz
Scaler Flags    0
Signal Config    0
Blanking    80 x 132
Border {left,right}    {0, 0}
Border {top,bottom}    {0, 0}
Sync Offset (h, v)    8 x 118
Sync Pulse Width (h, v)    32, 8
Sync Config (h, v)    + x -
Num Links    2
VB Extension    0
OUTPUT: Pixel Encoding    1 (RGB444)
OUTPUT: Bits Per Color Component    8 (12 bpc)
OUTPUT: Colorimetry    1 (RGB)
OUTPUT: Dynamic Range    2 (HDR10)
DSC: Num Slices    4 x 1
DSC: Slice Dimensions    1504 x 3384
DSC: Compressed BPP    12 bits, (192 bits*16) )

Current setup:
Code:
 ┌───────────────────────────┐
 │                           │
 │                           │
 │                           │
 │       Pro Display XDR     │
 │                           │
 │                           │
 │                           │
 └─────────────┬─────────────┘
               │
               │ <-- WJESOC Cable
               │
 ┌─────────────┴─────────────┐
 │ Monoprice Blackbird       │
 │ 4-port DP 1.4 KVM         │
 └───┬────────────────┬──────┘
     │                │
     │                │
 ┌───┴────┐     ┌─────┴──────┐
 │        │     │ StarTech   │
 │ Mac    │     │ TB3 Dock   │
 │ Pro    │     └─────┬──────┘
 │ 2019   │           │
 │        │     ┌─────┴──────┐
 │ W5700X │     │            │
 │        │     │ MacBook Pro│
 │        │     │ 2022 M1    │
 └────────┘     │            │
                ├────────────┤
                │            │
                └────────────┘
 
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etc

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Sep 27, 2008
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Hey Folks, I've been using the Belkin VR cable for awhile now. No problems really but it is a long cable, and I've had to be really careful with signal integrity through the KVM switch and to the other computers. I stumbled on a new cable on Amazon and decided to test it out. Good news: works great, it's cheap, and ships fast. I'm running stable at 6k with full brightness/etc controls via USB.

The cable made by "WJESOG" is on Amazon here for US$30. Make sure you get the "DP to USB-C" version.

If folks are hunting for a decent KVM switch, I've moved from my older StarTech DP1.2 2-port to the Monoprice Blackbird (also on Amazon for US$140 as of this writing) DP1.4 4-port. The video signal has been solid so far, but the USB HID emulation leaves a lot to be desired ... ended up with the keyboard and mouse on the non-HID ports to make everything work properly. Nothing is perfect in the KVM switch market, but it's good enough for now.

This is on a 2019 Mac Pro, AMD Radeon Pro W5700X GPU.

AGDCDiagnose output:
Code:
Stream@0 FB0    DICT    13
Stream ID    0
Is Enabled    YES
Is DPMS Off    NO
Change Flags    0
Option Flags    0
Sink Address    4.0
HW Src Viewport    6016x3384 @ {0,0}
HW Dst Viewport    6016x3384 @ {0,0}

Timing FB0    DICT    24
Display Mode    8000500f
Refresh Rate (Calculated)    60 Hz
Refresh Rate (Stored)    0.0 Hz
Window (Active)    6016 x 3384
Window (Scaled)    0 x 0
Scaled Inset    0 x 0
Pixel Clock    1286010000 Hz
Scaler Flags    0
Signal Config    0
Blanking    80 x 132
Border {left,right}    {0, 0}
Border {top,bottom}    {0, 0}
Sync Offset (h, v)    8 x 118
Sync Pulse Width (h, v)    32, 8
Sync Config (h, v)    + x -
Num Links    2
VB Extension    0
OUTPUT: Pixel Encoding    1 (RGB444)
OUTPUT: Bits Per Color Component    8 (12 bpc)
OUTPUT: Colorimetry    1 (RGB)
OUTPUT: Dynamic Range    2 (HDR10)
DSC: Num Slices    4 x 1
DSC: Slice Dimensions    1504 x 3384
DSC: Compressed BPP    12 bits, (192 bits*16) )

Current setup:
Code:
 ┌───────────────────────────┐
 │                           │
 │                           │
 │                           │
 │       Pro Display XDR     │
 │                           │
 │                           │
 │                           │
 └─────────────┬─────────────┘
               │
               │ <-- WJESOC Cable
               │
 ┌─────────────┴─────────────┐
 │ Monoprice Blackbird       │
 │ 4-port DP 1.4 KVM         │
 └───┬────────────────┬──────┘
     │                │
     │                │
 ┌───┴────┐     ┌─────┴──────┐
 │        │     │ StarTech   │
 │ Mac    │     │ TB3 Dock   │
 │ Pro    │     └─────┬──────┘
 │ 2019   │           │
 │        │     ┌─────┴──────┐
 │ W5700X │     │            │
 │        │     │ MacBook Pro│
 │        │     │ 2022 M1    │
 └────────┘     │            │
                ├────────────┤
                │            │
                └────────────┘
I'm waiting for arrival of CABLECONN usb-c hub. It doesn't require any fancy cables and USB goes just through USB-C. According to forum member experience, that's the best value for money (48 USD for my country, but you can try to find the same looking, but cheaper from other brands), btw it's not a TB hub.

The only two things I'd wish in it: audio jack and detachable main cable. And maybe remote button.
 

flowrider

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Hey Folks, I've been using the Belkin VR cable for awhile now. No problems really but it is a long cable, and I've had to be really careful with signal integrity through the KVM switch and to the other computers. I stumbled on a new cable on Amazon and decided to test it out. Good news: works great, it's cheap, and ships fast. I'm running stable at 6k with full brightness/etc controls via USB.

The cable made by "WJESOG" is on Amazon here for US$30. Make sure you get the "DP to USB-C" version.

Does the Amazon cable show the "Brightness" control in the Displays CP. Are the USB ports on the back of the monitor still active? If the answer to both is yes, I'll replace my Belkin cable.

How long is the cable from the DP output to the USB type A plug?

Lou
 
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wago

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Aug 3, 2014
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Does the Amazon cable show the "Brightness" control in the Displays CP. Are the USB ports on the back of the monitor still active? If the answer to both is yes, I'll replace my Belkin cable.

How long is the cable from the DP output to the USB type A plug?

Lou

Yep, I have brightness controls in the Displays CP, and I'm able to use my Logi 4k webcam attached to the back of the monitor (at USB2.0 link rate). I did a quick measure of the pigtail that goes from the DP to USB-A plug, and it's a bit over 16" long. I have it plugged into an unpowered USB3 hub and it's working fine.

It does seem to have improved signal integrity vs the longer Belkin VR cable. I have an HP ChromeBox that would not light up the Pro Display XDR when connected via the KVM switch and the Belkin cable, but is now able to drive the XDR without problems. I haven't taken signal integrity measurements to confirm (not even sure how to do this on Chrome OS) so I'm speculating that it's signal integrity as the problem. Regardless, it works now.
 
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I'm waiting for arrival of CABLECONN usb-c hub. It doesn't require any fancy cables and USB goes just through USB-C. According to forum member experience, that's the best value for money (48 USD for my country, but you can try to find the same looking, but cheaper from other brands), btw it's not a TB hub.

The only two things I'd wish in it: audio jack and detachable main cable. And maybe remote button.
Please share your detailed findings when you get this. Also, you meant CABLEDECONN, right? This one?

Can you link out to testimony about this kvm working as you’ve described.
 

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Yep, this one. I tried to find it on international amazon, but it was not there.

You can find testimonies even here on Macrumors or here (search for XDR): <snip>…
Thanks for this.

For anyone reading through these:

Here is an updated Amazon link with the XDR keyword search results for the KVM etc is into.

There are three reviews (in English) that I am seeing right now.

It looks like people are using these commonly to swap between Apple Silicon and an Intel-based PC.

Does this (and any other KVMs) support Mac / Mac with AS or Intel on either side? (Presuming the machine or machine + egpu support XDR Pro)
 

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I am considering changing the OP of this thread to an editable wiki to get more help incorporating new info like KVM compatibility.

Anyone interested in helping maintain that resource?
 
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Thanks for this.

For anyone reading through these:

Here is an updated Amazon link with the XDR keyword search results for the KVM etc is into.

There are three reviews (in English) that I am seeing right now.

It looks like people are using these commonly to swap between Apple Silicon and an Intel-based PC.

Does this (and any other KVMs) support Mac / Mac with AS or Intel on either side? (Presuming the machine or machine + egpu support XDR Pro)
I've got it today and tried with my M1 MBP and Intel PC. Both work perfectly with this KVM, XDR works at full 6K@60 8-12 bit + HDR, brightness is controllable in both Windows and Mac.

tempImagePEdp2N.png

LEDs of KVM are too bright though and this micro usb plug is annoying...
 

chef_pooh

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Jan 5, 2023
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Thanks for confirming etc. On my end, I bought the OWC Hub, and can confirm it does not drive the Pro XDR Display at 6k when using a certified Thunderbolt 3/4 Cable from the Display into the Hub. On the other hand, I bought the USB-C to DisplayPort+USB cable https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BNX7MS6N?th=1&tag=mrforums-20 and it reduces the amount of clutter behind my desk, replacing the Belklin VR Cable in other confirmed setups.

The KVM looks useful, but I'm not quite sure what I'd do with it. It's not too much effort to change my thunderbolt cable, and the industrial design of the hub leaves a lot to be desired. But I'm glad that's an option! I wonder if I'll get it and stick it to the bottom my desk?
 
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The KVM looks useful, but I'm not quite sure what I'd do with it. It's not too much effort to change my thunderbolt cable, and the industrial design of the hub leaves a lot to be desired. But I'm glad that's an option! I wonder if I'll get it and stick it to the bottom my desk?
KVM is used just for easy switch between two computers without re-plugging everything. The flaw here could be data transmission speed - only USB 2.0 480 Mbps on PC and not quite clear 20 Gbps (according to the system report, although the used cable supports only 10) on Mac.

KVM won't help you to connect XDR to PC if you don't have USB-C + DisplayPort Alt Mode output from it. There're other options to achieve this, like your WJESOG cable or previously mentioned Belkin VR Cable, Moshi Bi-directional DP to USB-C (doesn't support data transmission though), Wacom Link Plus adapter, Sunix UPD2018 (or similar Dell) PCI-E to USB-C card and the cleanest option is just a video card with USB-C port (RTX 2xxx series or AMD RX 6xxx, RX 7xxx). All these options imply working in USB-C Alt Mode, not TB, so that could be not acceptable if you need to connect more XDR-s through daisy-chain or any TB devices to XDR.
 

Pippi

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Oct 6, 2022
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Hi everyone - does anyone know if the new AMD motherboards (x670) with Socket AM5 (which now has USB4 40Gbit) would be able to drive the XDR display? Like the Asus ProArt 670
 

wago

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Aug 3, 2014
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It'd probably work in TB mode and you'd get 5K@60 max.
Reading this thread, looks like the Ryzen 7000 series does support DSC over Displayport 1.4/2.0, and that motherboard claims to support Displayport 1.4 over the USB4 connections. So ... in theory it'd be able to run the Pro Display XDR at 6k, but I don't know if anyone has actually used a Ryzen CPU with integrated graphics to drive this display in the past.
 

etc

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Reading this thread, looks like the Ryzen 7000 series does support DSC over Displayport 1.4/2.0, and that motherboard claims to support Displayport 1.4 over the USB4 connections. So ... in theory it'd be able to run the Pro Display XDR at 6k, but I don't know if anyone has actually used a Ryzen CPU with integrated graphics to drive this display in the past.
It could support it by itself, but at the same time there's TB4 controller that can disallow DSC through TB. I have Z590 Vision D board with the same TB controller and I couldn't get 6K. Although I used discrete GPU (which definitely supports DSC) instead of iGPU (which doesn't).
 
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